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post #211 of 246

YES.  My cat will be on lactoferrin indefinitely.  Lactoferrin is definitely the key here.  Using only lactoferrin, sprinkling the contents of the capsule into the food and mixing well, seems to work great for my kitty with the post-herpes runny eye.  When I run out of lactoferrin like I have now, the eye does start to run again, not as badly as it used to, but it is still running some clear liquid.  I will be ordering the lactoferrin again!  Since it is not a medicine but more of a food, being derived from bovine colostrum, it will not interact with any medications like antibiotics or antivirals a cat might be taking.  Google it and you can read some of the research on it. 

 

"Research has found out that lactoferrin possesses a potent anti-viral activity and may be useful in preventing certain types of viral infections in humans” (Hasegawa) Therefore bovine colostrums lactoferrin and its other beneficial components may help people suffering with herpes."

 

Hasegawa, K, et al. Inhibition with lactoferrin of in vitro infection with human herpes virus. Japanese Journal of Medical Science and Biology 47:73-85 (1994). Both human and bovine lactoferrin inhibit infection with human herpes simplex virus and human cytomegalovirus in cell cultures.

post #212 of 246

Yay, I'll continue indefinitely as well. I did read the 2003 paper on feline herpes (I have access through my university as a PhD student) but none of the human papers yet. I will check out the non-feline papers to see if there is anything about oral efficacy. The cat paper was with direct application to cell cultures and viral cultures, but based on what I've read on the forum it does seem to work orally for our kitties as well. I might take the dosage down to 125 mg daily and see how he does with that after I'm sure his eye problems are over, to cut back on costs of continually ordering the capsules. I haven't seen any running at all from his eyes for the past few days he's been on lactoferrin.

post #213 of 246
Pled consider Polyprenyl immunostimulant. My cat has not had a single herpes flare-up since he completed a round of Polyprenyl. It is a joy to see that he doesn't have to suffer through vet visits and antibiotics and discomfort.
post #214 of 246
My poor 10 year old boy has caught some kind of cold from our new kitten. Both have been vaccinated on schedule. Main symptoms are sneezing ( not rapid fire but often enough to notice) and head shaking. ( no nasal drainage)

My 10 year old seems to have caught it worse as he is coughing and was lethargic . We're on l-lysine , both gel and powder. Have had clavamox injection, and 10 day course of amoxicillin .

Both cats seem much better now but are still sneezing occasionally, heading shaking, and coughing once in a while. It seems like they just can't kick it. ( it's been about a month now)

What is the UR panel and what viruses/bacteria does it test for? How invasive is this test? At this point I think I need to have this done to find out for sure what were battling so I can get my babies healthy.
post #215 of 246

I noticed your thread while doing the same research it appears you did in 2014 for an FIV cat with runny eyes - am very interested if your results are still positive???   anything new in your protocol??

post #216 of 246

You may also be interested in immune enhancement through the use of Nucleotides. They can be supplied via a food or there is also a supplement that can easily be added to wet food. See below for a extended write up.

 

 

http://www.thecatsite.com/t/240406/l-lysine-questions-please/120

post #217 of 246

I read the article in full and the premise makes sense however I was bothered  by the fact that a recommendation for a specific product came from a person with vested interest in the sale of the product (the owner.) Nowhere in the post was that mentioned. 

 

As good as the ingredients appear to be in Young Again, the pet food industry is not FDA regulated so there is no way to know for certain that what is stated is fact.

 

I am not saying that you are not dedicated to animals or do not have the best intentions but I would want to hear from either a credible third part offering a recommendation of the product, or see recommendations from many pet owners. I checked hundreds of Google responses and found mention of the product exclusively on cat breeders websites, and those usually discussed how it helped their cats with diabetes. There was mention on one veterinary site, but it was because the practice sold the product. When I searched Google news I could find no articles written about it.     

post #218 of 246
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I read the article in full and the premise makes sense however I was bothered  by the fact that a recommendation for a specific product came from a person with vested interest in the sale of the product (the owner.) Nowhere in the post was that mentioned. 

 

As good as the ingredients appear to be in Young Again, the pet food industry is not FDA regulated so there is no way to know for certain that what is stated is fact.

 

I am not saying that you are not dedicated to animals or do not have the best intentions but I would want to hear from either a credible third part offering a recommendation of the product, or see recommendations from many pet owners. I checked hundreds of Google responses and found mention of the product exclusively on cat breeders websites, and those usually discussed how it helped their cats with diabetes. There was mention on one veterinary site, but it was because the practice sold the product. When I searched Google news I could find no articles written about it.     


Thank you for reading the article. I did not mention a product , but talked about the technology. In order to find the product you would have to go to my web site. My signature line does give the name of the company and lists me as the owner. I thought that would be the only way that someone would identify the product and that was the disclosure. I  thought I was being as transparent as I could with out naming the product and company directly. If I name the product then people are upset that I'm promoting a product. My goal was to get the information out to generate a discussion. In the future I will be happy to make any disclosure that the group would feel most comfortable with. Just let me know what you prefer and I will get approval from the site staff.

 

With regards to your question. Are you looking for more independent information on the supplement or the food? I will be happy to supply independent studies on Nucleotides, if that is what you are looking for. You could also speak with Dr. Marge Wissman she is very familiar with the various products and I have worked with her for years. She also lives in Florida and has her own specialty practice, as well as working for one of the the major veterinary labs and acts as an exotic animal consultant. She wrote the article that I posted after reviewing the available research. I can put you in contact with her if you like. Full disclosure, Dr. Wissman acts as a consultant for my company and I have her on a small monthly retainer. I receive numerous medical files on dogs and cats each month and  sometimes have questions outside my experience. Dr Wissman is widely published and is a much better writer than I'm, so she does write and edit some of the company articles. 

 

The reason I asked permission to post on the site was to correct some of the misinformation I was reading when people talked about my product. It was difficult to create products without starch and when people say the product has 4% starch when it only has 1% I think the correct information should be known. I have heard for years that consumers are disappointed that they can never get the information they want from a company and if they call a company they usually get the run a round. I try to be as transparent as possible short of giving away trade secrets. So everyone you have an opportunity to ask questions and have direct access to the top. So what would you like to know?

 

Just a little about me. I'm very direct and I'm not shy or afraid of criticism. I'm also capable of change, so feel free to shape my view. I love information and I love making our animals lives better. I have pioneered and produce foods for dozens of different species and have done so since 1987. I did not create a carnivore cat food because it would make me more successful; I did it because the big boys would not. Eventually the big boys will understand that they need to get away from starch and only you the public can force them to do so.

post #219 of 246
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The reason I asked permission to post on the site was to correct some of the misinformation I was reading when people talked about my product...............

 

If that's truly the reason you "asked to post here"....would you really have a problem adhering to that purpose....and, therefore NOT interjecting in threads where there had been NO mention of your "product" until you inserted it there ?

 

I find that every one of your posts has at its core an intent to advertise/market/promote your product.

 

If you only wished "to correct some of the misinformation", perhaps you could use 'Google alerts' or a facsimile to alert you to any reference of your "product" on the site - then you might follow up to ensure no one is 'misinformed'.

post #220 of 246
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Originally Posted by White Shadow View Post
 

 

If that's truly the reason you "asked to post here"....would you really have a problem adhering to that purpose....and, therefore NOT interjecting in threads where there had been NO mention of your "product" until you inserted it there ?

 

I find that every one of your posts has at its core an intent to advertise/market/promote your product.

 

If you only wished "to correct some of the misinformation", perhaps you could use 'Google alerts' or a facsimile to alert you to any reference of your "product" on the site - then you might follow up to ensure no one is 'misinformed'.

I have never posted on a site like this before and I'm still learning. I accept your critique and will do my best to adjust.

 

I certainly do not mind open discussions, but I would prefer they were about ideas that benefits our cats and not about the parsing of words. Everyone here talks and relays their experience and everyone's experience is the sum total of each of our lives. I cannot separate what I have learned in 30 years of making pet food any more than a breeder can forget her experience raising kittens, when she gives advice to a new kitten owner on this site. Each of us brings a perspective to the site and all benefit from an open exchange. You may disagree with me and I may disagree with someone else, but in the end people have more information in which to make a decision. If someone disagrees with what is said by all means challenge it. I love facts and truth and will give the same in return.

 

Thank you.

post #221 of 246

My kitty is on Lysine (1000mg daily) and I'm just wondering if the Lactoferrin is still working for those that started it or is there something you've found even better to control the sneezing and weeping eye. I also give her a supplement called Homeopet for Nose Relief and that has improved the quantity of the sneezing. I'm looking for anything that may be better than what I'm using that is natural. Also how much Lactoferrin do I give her?

post #222 of 246

Popping in to address the concerns voiced by @White Shadow.

 

@Young Again has contacted me when he joined the forums and coordinated his participation here with us. I want to clarify that he is not currently an advertiser or sponsor here at TCS. His opinions are welcome here as are the opinions of any other member and he is neither paid by TCS nor paying TCS to voice them here. 

 

I welcome the participation of industry professionals in the forums, as long as it is transparent and coordinated with myself and the moderators (as is the case here).

 

I think the ability to communicate with company representatives directly can help us all make informed decisions about the care of our cats. If reps can also contribute as members, drawing on their professional experience, that's not a bad thing either, as long as the two types of contributions are clearly separate (i.e. information on the products is shared only in threads about these products, when asked about by a member).

 

I hope this clarifies things. As always, if you think you see a problem, flag the post and the moderators will deal with your report. Please do not reprimand other forum members, just flag to report and let us handle things. Also, with any concerns or questions, always feel free to PM me. While we do not allow discussion of site policies in the public forums, I absolutely cherish all feedback sent to me in a private message or email. Thank you in advance!

post #223 of 246

@XenaTheCrazy I buy Jarrow lactoferrin and it comes in 250 mg tablets.  I bought it on Amazon.  My boy gets half a tab at breakfast and the rest at dinner.  He's still under a year old at that dose.  Not sure if anyone else here gives a higher or lower amount.  He used to be on L-Lysine from NOW but I noticed that with the lactoferrin and the L-Lysine he still kept getting flares more than I kind of thought he should and the sneezing was still very much present and kind of gross.  I decided to take him off the L-Lysine and just keep him on the lactoferrin and he's doing so much better.  No flares *knock on wood* and though he still sneezes occasionally (not daily), it's not gross or gunky and all over my walls and house. lol. 

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I use the NOW brand of L-Lysine too. Is there anything as good as the Jarrow but less expensive that could work with the same ingredients?  I could buy it to try it but long term that's pricey using one tablet a day. 

post #225 of 246
I started my JoJo on lactoferrin 2 wks now, but still sneezing alot of snot. He is 7 mo old. I also give him lysine 2 x day. How long did it take to see improvement on lactoferrin??
post #226 of 246

@XenaTheCrazy  I was recommended the Jarrow formula by other users on this site.  It is a little bit pricey but I figure for me, it's more convenient and something I'd rather save and spend my money on than trips to the vet, which could cause him to flare from stress, and have the vet tell me the same thing she always does and put him on a round or two of antibiotics.   I'm not sure of another brand, maybe another user could jump in here? 

 

@Rita M My boy was only on L-Lysine for a few months and I wasn't really seeing the improvement I wanted. I know I can't make the virus behave, lol, if only.  So I read in this post about the lactoferrin and purchased that adding it to his food along with the L-Lysine.  I eventually took my boy off the L-Lysine because again, I just wasn't seeing improvements and he didn't seem to want to eat his food with the L-Lysine in it anymore.  I want to say that after just being on the lactoferrin only I saw an improvement in little under a week.  He's been on just the lactoferrin since October and *knock on wood* still hasn't had any flares.  I've noticed his runny eyes will notch up a bit sometimes, but it's really only like for a day, but he hasn't had a full fledged flare since October. 

 

I think it's just going to be trial and error here.  I'm not a vet in no shape or form but maybe give what I did a try and drop the L-Lysine and see how it goes with just the lactoferrin?    

post #227 of 246
Thanks, I will give it a try!
post #228 of 246
How I wish I had known about Lactoferrin. It could have possibly saved my beautiful girl who I had to have PTS last April. Honey was a BSH who was susceptible to conjunctivitis and corneal ulcers. Last January she had another bout which would not heal. None of the antibiotic eye ointment worked. By February it had gone into both eyes. The vet referred her to the veterinary hospital in Newmarket who found that the ulcers had attached to the corneas on both eyes. This would have meant an operation with no guarantee of success. Although she had tested negative on two occasions she was diagnosed FHV which they told me would most likely return even after virus treatment. I had already tried L Lysine which had no effect. Poor little girl was in so much pain and because she was very sensitive to the anti inflammatory we had no option but to have her put out of our misery. I have never recovered from the heartbreak of having her go through this and would not wish it on any animal. Good luck to any of you who have a cat with FHV. B
post #229 of 246

Thank you for your reply. And thank you to TCS for their information on your membership. I'd be interested in any independent research regarding nucleotides and their treatment of cat illnesses. I've just begun looking through PubMed but perhaps you could steer me more directly to those particular studies. 

post #230 of 246

I was a bit rusty using PubMed, but I figured out how to find studies for "non human animals" and found this study from New Zealand which points to nucleotide supplementation , arginine, and salmon oil as a help to cats immune response:

 

 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23385006

 

I also found mention of arabinogalactins as possible immune support for cats.

 

Since I feed my cats a high protein diet, I will try adding each of these in supplement form. 

post #231 of 246

May I ask what particular problem you are specifically trying to supplement for? Are you only trying to strengthen the immune system if so from what or against what disease?

post #232 of 246

I suspect chronic herpes in a male cat I rescued as a tiny abandoned feral kitten, so I am hoping to help boost his immune system. As a kitten he had goopy eyes and a runny congested nose. He's now clear except for daily sneezes that bring up boogers. The most noticeable improvement came when I gave him real chicken rather than canned or dry food. I've continued to feed all my guys at least one real meat or fish meal a day.

post #233 of 246
Here's one more plug for Polyprenyl immunostimulant. I have no connections to the company. I'm just a consumer with an FHV kitty who has not had an outbreak in two years. I have him on 250 mg of lysine and 125 of lactoferrin. He had regular outbreaks before the Polyprenyl and it was very difficult to watch him get sick over and over again.

It cost around $130 (it's been a while, so I don't remember the exact number). That seemed expensive, until I thought about it more carefully and realized that it would pay for itself if it prevented just two outbreaks. And that's just considering the financial cost, not the time and effort and stress involved for everyone, especially our cat.

I think the virus is in deep hibernation. We rescued a starving and unhealthy kitten and she didn't contract it from our FHV cat, hence my guess.
post #234 of 246

Thanks for the recommendation. I have never heard of Polyprenyl. Great to hear that it's worked well for you. I'm off to do more research on it. 

post #235 of 246
Has anyone tried Bovine Lactoferrin by itself? No Lysine. If so, with what results?
post #236 of 246

Yes, I use the bovine lactoferrin by itself and it works very well to control the weepy eye that my one female has since having serous URI as a kitten.  (Her mother was pulled from Animal Control with 6 nursing kittens, and soon afterwards they all came down with a very nasty upper respiratory virus.  We managed to save all of them, but the one kitten (almost 4 years old now) still has one eye that runs if she doesn't get her lactoferrin.  I'm about to use it on another rescue, an older female with a chronically runny eye, and see if it works as well on her.

post #237 of 246
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Originally Posted by CarolinaFran View Post

Has anyone tried Bovine Lactoferrin by itself? No Lysine. If so, with what results?

I did that, too, with good results.
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Thank you for your reply.
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Thx
post #240 of 246

I would like to hear from people who have had their cats on this lactoferrin product for a while…..long enough to determine if it helps or not.  Also is this just for cats with herpes, FIV or both?

I have tried several things that really don't seem to be helping or help for a short period of time and then stop.  

My cat has chronic rhinitis and I live in fear of him not being able to smell his food which will cause him to stop eating.

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