UFOs

andrya · Nov 5, 2013

After hearing other posters say they, too, saw a UFO, I thought l'd start a thread to see if anyone wants to share their sighting, a friend/relative's sighting, or anything UFO-related of interest.

Here's mine:

Maryport, Cumbria, England.

l was around 14 years old, so 1977 or thereabouts. My parents and l were watching TV in the living room when my dad and l saw a flash in the sky. My mum didn't see it. Dad and l both went to the window to see what it was and mum came behind us to see what we'd jumped up to see. lt was daylight, nice blue sky with a few large cumulus clouds. Up high, but coming in our direction was a boomerang-shaped object. The strangest part was that it didn't appear solid - it was either surrounded by a heat-haze or a cloud or something - so it looked like a large charcoal grey cloud, but was moving fast and straight. (This was looooong before the word "cloaked" was ever in existence).

My mum went out the front door and started waving her arms at it!! Anyway, my dad and l stayed put, and the "thing" changed direction and started flying to its right, our left. lt flew in that direction straight into the side of a cumulus cloud where it disappeared intact. lt didn't come out the other side, didn't go straight up, or down, no more flashes, that was the last we saw of it. lt was completely silent, and judging from the size of it when it went into the cumulus cloud this thing was immense.

My parents reported it, and we found out later that it had been tracked on radar.

This was about 36 years ago before computers etc. l was under strict orders not to tell anyone what we saw for fear they'd think we were crazy.

natalie_ca · Nov 5, 2013

I'm sure you saw "something", and because you can't identify what it was that you saw, then it is classified as a "UFO" (unidentified flying object). However, I don't believe you saw a ship carrying beings from another planet.

I posted this some time ago in another thread about "UFO's", so I'll just paste it here.

The study of Astronomy is like history: the study of things past. Only with astronomy we have no idea what the current situation is because of the vast distance and time required (thousands, millions, billions of years) for light and sound to travel to our mini planet.

Unless faster than light (FTL) or forms of ultra-space traversal are possible - despite what all of the SciFi genre promotes heavily - there is little chance of any two sentient species from different planets meeting unless the planets reside in the same solar system. Calculations of the time required just to jump from one galaxy to the next at light-speed is in the millions of years!!! That pretty much rules out extra-galactic invasion without FTL travel. Heck, the travel time to the nearest star at light-speed is something like 4 years (at more realistically possible speeds it may take 20 to 40 years).

Interestingly, the situation is bleak just by merit. Like evolution on Earth that took a long time (and stable conditions) for a sentient species to evolve (4.5 billion years), I think that the universe operates in similar ways. It is very probable that conditions weren't stable enough for so many billions of years (of the estimated 15.5 billion) for planetary systems to evolve. Also, theory shows that elements of more complex types required long times to accumulate by the dying of many stars. In other words, sentient lifeforms may not have been possible more than 5 or 10 billion years ago which would mean that sentient lifeforms may only 'now' be popping up in the universe due to stability and a rich source of elements. And since the universe is like a history machine, each sentient life form would be practically isolated by several factors: expansion of the universe and speed at which light (EM) travels.

For instance, a sentient life form 5,000 light years away would need to have peaked technologically at least 5,000 years ago (our time) for us to receive any transmissions. And for them to receive our transmissions they would need to have survived technologically for 10,000 years beyond that (think of the two planets separated by 5,000 (light) years each traveling along parallel lines of time (upward for future let's say). Their signal leaves at A and arrives at Earth 5,000 years later in which time both have moved 5,000 years along the timeline. We respond with a signal back that takes another 5,000 years to arrive at A. Not exactly instant communications!

So do I think you saw UFO's? You certainly saw something and because you can't identify it that means it's an Unidentified Flying Object (UFO). Does that mean this object was "Extraterrestrial"? No. Just regular air crafts and the mind playing tricks. Nothing more.

Does that mean there aren't other lifeforms out there somewhere? It would be arrogant to think that we are alone in this vast space. But those on other planets are probably struggling with their own limitations for space exploration, just like we are. Will we ever meet with one another? Doubtful unless we can each overcome the limits of time and space travel.

For those that don't know about "light years":

Quote:

A light-year is a unit of distance. It is the distance that light can travel in one year. Light moves at a velocity of about 300,000 kilometers (km) each second. So in one year, it can travel about 10 trillion km. More precisely, one light-year is equal to 9,500,000,000,000 kilometers.
Now if a place is 10 light years away, that is more than 100 trillion km! It would take you 10 years travelling at a constant speed of 300,000 km/second to reach that destination.

Then there is the whole "mass" problem!!

The more you accelerate towards the speed of light, the more massive and the more energy required to propel the mass. That's why the only thing nearing light speed is, well, light (mass-less particles). By the time you're moving 80% the speed of light you'll need a couple million spare stars for power.

Longevity, modes of transport, take-it-all-with-you are all speculative unfortunately. The problem with the latter 'entire biosphere' ideology is that, for instance, Earth isn't a closed system. It has been fed by asteroids, comets, dust, solar radiation, and extra-solar radiation for billions of years. Life on Earth is dependent completely on the Sun - ignoring vent life and subsurface microbes. So, you'd essentially want to take your entire solar system out for a spin - what would you use for propulsion?

I know I sure wouldn't want to come face to face with any species that has the ability to throw their solar system around like a football. And where would they park it? I'm sure that we would notice if a solar system was parked in our back yard,

happybird · Nov 6, 2013

I saw a UFO in the summer of 1994. I was on the Hopi Reservation in Arizona to attend the World Unity Festival (long story short, the organizer didn't get the proper permits, so only about 300 of us, the first to arrive, were allowed on site).

On the third night, a friend and I were sitting on the edge of a canyon, and across the canyon we thought we saw police car lights. The lights were red and blue and strobing. As we watched, the lights rose higher into the air and green and yellow were added. The strobing cycled through all the colors. The only way I can describe their movement is to say they bounced or violently vibrated back and forth, from left to right and up and down for several minutes. Then suddenly, they moved faster than anything I have ever seen, on a diagonal. They moved on flat planes, diagonally up and miles away and then back towards our position, moving horizontally to our right. Then they sped off, so, so fast. The whole thing was completely silent. It is really hard to explain this properly, I have never written it down before.

Needless to say, we were speechless. Several other people saw the same thing and it was the talk of the camp.

Considering our location, I always figured it was some sort of experimental military air craft. But then about 3 years ago, I saw something on TV that dropped my jaw. It was a special on the History Channel (I think) about UFO sightings in Stephenville, TX, and Southwick, Mass. People took photo and video of almost exactly what I saw. The still photos were long, multicolored streams of blue, red, and green. The videos showed the same size ball of strobing light. This was the first time I ever heard of anything similar to what I saw.

The way these lights moved, and the insane speed and direction changes... I don't think the military has this ability yet. Plus, the bouncing movement was so strange. If you take your arm, stretch it out in front of you and wave your hand from the wrist while moving your whole arm back and forth, parallel to the ground, your hand is mimicking how this thing bounced back and forth across the sky.

During all the 2012 hoopla, I learned that the Hopi Reservation has a special significance to some because supposedly the 3 Mesas are in the same formation as the Great Pyramids in Egypt. And there is a long history of odd encounters in the area and the Blue Star prophecies about 'star people' I had no idea about any of this in '94 (I was only 18), but the more I hear, the more it freaks me out.

It was very weird and I remember it like it was yesterday.

jcat · Nov 7, 2013

Back in the late 70s, two of us left a party in Ocean City, New Jersey, to pick up ice, beer, etc.. On our way back to the house, we saw a fiery orange ball hovering over the bridge we were crossing. We stopped, as did the other cars on the bridge, and watched till it moved up and out of sight. It was after 10 p.m., so dark out. It couldn't have been a meteorite, as it was moving up, and it's doubtful that it was a weather balloon, because there was no sun to reflect off it. I still wonder what it was we all saw. Would a hot air balloon be out that late and be moving so fast?

The next time I saw a UFO, my sister and I had been shopping in Nebraska City and were driving back towards Omaha when we spotted a weird black object moving through the sky. As it got lower, we recognized it as a stealth bomber preparing to land at the air force base in Bellevue, so it ceased being a UFO.

A couple of years ago I was out in our backyard here in Germany and caught sight of the International Space Station. It wasn't too exciting, because it had been in the newspapers that it might be visible, but a lof of people reported seeing a UFO.

dejolane · Nov 7, 2013

have to ask,were you drunk when you saw this UFO ?

jcat · Nov 7, 2013

dejolane said:
have to ask,were you drunk when you saw this UFO ? :lol3:

Of course not - we were both cold stone sober, as otherwise we wouldn't have been the ones running to the store. Haven't you ever heard of "designated drivers"?

andrya · Nov 7, 2013

Thank you for your openness and candor, @happybird and @jcat . lt's funny that with all 3 events, the witnesses (us) attributed earthly reasons behind the sightings. ln our case, we lived close to several military bases (Spadeadam, Eskmeals, etc) and we always thought we'd witnessed a prototype of something military. Hopefully not the Stealth since it was tracked on radar

ln recent years, the area where l grew up and witnessed this has become a hotbed of UFO activity. l've read many reports of fiery orange balls such as you described, jcat.

dejolane · Nov 7, 2013

jcat said:
Of course not - we were both cold stone sober, as otherwise we wouldn't have been the ones running to the store. Haven't you ever heard of "designated drivers"?

I'm sorry I should have not said that, Forgive me ?

misty8723 · Dec 28, 2013

Natalie_ca said:
I'm sure you saw "something", and because you can't identify what it was that you saw, then it is classified as a "UFO" (unidentified flying object). However, I don't believe you saw a ship carrying beings from another planet.

I posted this some time ago in another thread about "UFO's", so I'll just paste it here.

The study of Astronomy is like history: the study of things past. Only with astronomy we have no idea what the current situation is because of the vast distance and time required (thousands, millions, billions of years) for light and sound to travel to our mini planet.

Unless faster than light (FTL) or forms of ultra-space traversal are possible - despite what all of the SciFi genre promotes heavily - there is little chance of any two sentient species from different planets meeting unless the planets reside in the same solar system. Calculations of the time required just to jump from one galaxy to the next at light-speed is in the millions of years!!! That pretty much rules out extra-galactic invasion without FTL travel. Heck, the travel time to the nearest star at light-speed is something like 4 years (at more realistically possible speeds it may take 20 to 40 years).

Interestingly, the situation is bleak just by merit. Like evolution on Earth that took a long time (and stable conditions) for a sentient species to evolve (4.5 billion years), I think that the universe operates in similar ways. It is very probable that conditions weren't stable enough for so many billions of years (of the estimated 15.5 billion) for planetary systems to evolve. Also, theory shows that elements of more complex types required long times to accumulate by the dying of many stars. In other words, sentient lifeforms may not have been possible more than 5 or 10 billion years ago which would mean that sentient lifeforms may only 'now' be popping up in the universe due to stability and a rich source of elements. And since the universe is like a history machine, each sentient life form would be practically isolated by several factors: expansion of the universe and speed at which light (EM) travels.

For instance, a sentient life form 5,000 light years away would need to have peaked technologically at least 5,000 years ago (our time) for us to receive any transmissions. And for them to receive our transmissions they would need to have survived technologically for 10,000 years beyond that (think of the two planets separated by 5,000 (light) years each traveling along parallel lines of time (upward for future let's say). Their signal leaves at A and arrives at Earth 5,000 years later in which time both have moved 5,000 years along the timeline. We respond with a signal back that takes another 5,000 years to arrive at A. Not exactly instant communications!

So do I think you saw UFO's? You certainly saw something and because you can't identify it that means it's an Unidentified Flying Object (UFO). Does that mean this object was "Extraterrestrial"? No. Just regular air crafts and the mind playing tricks. Nothing more.

Does that mean there aren't other lifeforms out there somewhere? It would be arrogant to think that we are alone in this vast space. But those on other planets are probably struggling with their own limitations for space exploration, just like we are. Will we ever meet with one another? Doubtful unless we can each overcome the limits of time and space travel.

For those that don't know about "light years":

Quote:

A light-year is a unit of distance. It is the distance that light can travel in one year. Light moves at a velocity of about 300,000 kilometers (km) each second. So in one year, it can travel about 10 trillion km. More precisely, one light-year is equal to 9,500,000,000,000 kilometers.
Now if a place is 10 light years away, that is more than 100 trillion km! It would take you 10 years travelling at a constant speed of 300,000 km/second to reach that destination.

Then there is the whole "mass" problem!!

The more you accelerate towards the speed of light, the more massive and the more energy required to propel the mass. That's why the only thing nearing light speed is, well, light (mass-less particles). By the time you're moving 80% the speed of light you'll need a couple million spare stars for power.

Longevity, modes of transport, take-it-all-with-you are all speculative unfortunately. The problem with the latter 'entire biosphere' ideology is that, for instance, Earth isn't a closed system. It has been fed by asteroids, comets, dust, solar radiation, and extra-solar radiation for billions of years. Life on Earth is dependent completely on the Sun - ignoring vent life and subsurface microbes. So, you'd essentially want to take your entire solar system out for a spin - what would you use for propulsion?

I know I sure wouldn't want to come face to face with any species that has the ability to throw their solar system around like a football. And where would they park it? I'm sure that we would notice if a solar system was parked in our back yard,

I personally think it's very arrogant to imagine that just because *we* can't travel to other worlds, then neither could any other beings. Whatever rationale or reasoning people use to explain away what people are seeing - in my opinion - the evidence is clear that UFOs from other worlds, galaxies, planes, dimensions (wherever) piloted by intelligent beings are absolutely real.

misty8723 · Dec 28, 2013

Back when DH was a boy, he and his family witnessed two UFOs being chased by military planes. As the planes approached the UFOs, they made a sharp angle turn and darted off at an incredible rate of speed, then just vanished. There was more to it than that, but I'm not remembering all of the details.

In the 1960s, my cousin was out in the yard working on his car when he saw a cigar shaped craft overhead - close enough to see portals or windows. He ran into the house to get his wife, and by the time they got back outside it was gone. Later, my aunt, uncle, and another cousin were driving in their car and saw a similar cigar shaped craft, also close enough to see the portals along the side. They watched it for a while, until it shot straight up in the sky at a high rate of speed and disappeared.

Around that same time, my friend and I saw something that appeared to be cigar shaped, but it was in the distance along the treeline, and disappeared behind the trees. No idea if that was the same UFO or just some kind of conventional craft. DH and I once saw something that we initially thought to be a UFO, but it turned out to be an advertising blimp. So - yes - I do know the difference.

One other time my friend and I were walking down the street and saw what appeared to be the headlights on a plane. However, they were very bright and seemed very low. When they got overhead they separated, with one light going one way and the other light going the other way. There was no sound whatsoever. Anything that low, plane or helicopter, would have made a very loud noise.

lorie d. · Dec 29, 2013

I didn't see anything but I did hear something really strange a couple of years ago. I was getting ready for work really early one Sunday morning when it was still dark outside. Everything was completely quiet when suddenly I heard something that sounded like people in the distance having a conversation. When the sound got closer it changed into a loud noise that sounded like a combination of a police car siren and a Canadian goose...the sound kept going up and down and was traveling east to west. The sound was also coming from the air, not the ground. There is a highway going past my house that goes north to south and no other road, so the sound wasn't coming from the highway. The sound didn't fade away, it just stopped. I went to the window to look outside and I was really afraid I was going to see something strange, but there was nothing there and everything outside continued to be completely quiet and still.

That sound was creepy but I have no idea what it actually was.

lorie d. · Dec 29, 2013

I just want to add I didn't look outside while the noise was still occurring because I was afraid of what I might see, so I waited until it stopped.

happybird · Dec 29, 2013

Wow, Lorie D. That is really strange! I have never heard of anything like that. I know there have been a lot of reports of super loud booms and weird crashing sounds coming from either the sky or ground. Some people think are from the government/military possibly digging underground tunnels. People have reported having objects in their houses or the windows smashing from the sheer volume of the sounds. There are other theories about the noises that are environmentally based (but I can't remember them offhand).

I don't blame you for not going outside- it must have been terrifying!

andrya · Dec 29, 2013

l agree. lt gave me the willies to read that.

l had something sort of similar happen that l didn't tell anyone about. l thought maybe l briefly went nuts, or maybe l really was asleep, or ... whatever. lt was just too creepy to really think about.

l was lying in bed one morning, l'd just woken up and it was already daylight so it must have been summer, though l don't really remember. l was on my stomach with both hands under the pillow under my head. l heard a static-y noise, like somebody in the house had turned on a radio but hadn't quite tuned it in properly, but there were voices in it. Then it would clear up for a few seconds, give me a message in a clear voice, then go back to static. Ugh, my hair is standing on end, just having to remember it. lt gave me horrible messages, one of which l thought for years was going to end up being a premonition, but has never happened, yet.

l believe l was fully awake although l had just woken up. l knew there was no-one else in the house so l was freaked out at hearing a noise in the house, and l remember tensing and relaxing both hands under the pillow just as a check that l was awake. l kept listening to it until l had to know where it was coming from but as soon as l lifted my head, the noise stopped. l checked the other bedrooms for anything switched on and there was nothing. Nobody in the house. There was no sound from anything anywhere in the house. l still have no idea what happened.

catsallaround · Dec 29, 2013

UFO no but I used to hear booms. Around All in the 90's as I would stay up late/all night. Best way to describe it was to think of king kong or something slow walking. Usually around 12-3 am it would go on. Our backyard was 2 miles of woods and right side was another mile wide of woods. I used to just turn off lights and open window and listen as it was so strange. We were about 20 miles from Ft Dix

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