Possibly Panleukopenia or something else??

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I think you already know that you are likely keeping him from dying by giving the fluids and syringing.

I don't know if he will be able to pull through this, my guess is less than 50-50 chance, sorry to say. Maybe way less.

But we are rescue people, and never give up, that's not the idea of it.

He is not showing any improvements at all, still slowly worse all the time it sounds.

I'm curious how his blood looks now.
 
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He's been hospitalized at the vet since this morning. I think he needs more than subq fluids (he is on an IV now) and that isn't something I can do. They actually closed at noon but the vet said she would be there all day so she is going to call me before she leaves so we can decide if i can bring him home safely, as there is no one there overnight tonight and I don't really feel comfortable leaving him there all alone :( Even in the weak state he was in this morning he still had good color and was hydrated, so i'm hopeful. He also has a high temp, which neither of the other 2 who passed did, both of them were normal and then dropped to a super low temp then passed in the next 24 hours. So his high temp gives me hope that his little body is trying to fight it. I'm going to do everything I can to get him through this, it's been the most horrid year, and this has been the first year I have ever pulled from the shelter or fostered kittens pulled from the shelter. Prior to this I did feral kittens and the worst thing I ever had to deal with was worms, fleas, and a complication after a spay once.
 

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I think you made the right decision putting him there.

I also think that when she is going to leave, regardless of whether he is okay-ish or not you should take him home.

Just so you know, when I speak gravely about him, or any cat/kitten ever, I say it like it is, but always have hope as you do. So I don't mean to sound negative, it is never hopeless for the most part.

I do think that there is so much in him feeling his sibs are nearby, you love and cared for him, etc. and whether it gives him strength to get well, or peace to let go of his life, it is def. best to have him home.

Hugs. I choke up the last few posts I write now, I SO know what you are going through. All too well.
 
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Well... good news!!! Peter is looking SO MUCH BETTER!! I picked him up from the vet about 6:30 and she left his thing in his leg for his IV fluids and said even though they are closed tomorrow, she will be there in the afternoon and I can bring him up there if I need to. When we got home I was setting up a comfortable little place for him and he kept meowing... I couldn't figure out why.. I set him in the litter box but he climbed out. So I offered him the syringe (6ml) of pedialyte and he took the whole thing! Then another, and then another syringe of baby food chicken! Then he even ate some right off the the lid of the baby food jar :) And just as I was typing that, he came stumbling out of his little area meowing and took another syringe of baby food. This is the first time I have not had to force feed him since Thursday!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, he still has a fever (105 when he left the vet) but the vet agrees that it means he is fighting this. She put him on Orbax and said to give him fluids every 3 hours through the night- but if he keeps up eating like this I might not have to do it that often.

Whenever I get him out for fluids in a little while (if he needs them) i will get a picture to post of him. He looks adorable and pitiful with his little leg wrapped. He also has not showed ANY signs of nausea since being home, and this morning he was gagging and drooling. He hasn't had any diarrhea either!

I don't want to get TOO excited about his improvement because of course anything could happen, and I REALLY wish it was not the weekend so he could go back to the vet tomorrow morning for more IV fluids (since it seems to help SO much) but it is what it is and I am going to do everything I can to get him better!
 

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That is wonderful news!! At this point we'll take anything :))

I agree, his body is working as hard as it possibly can to fight this off, reason for the sky high temp.

When it goes down but he is no better is often a sign of him giving in to it.

I know the sub-q fluids are a pain, especially during the night. But I think this next 24 hours will determine whether he can get through it or not.

The high fever rapidly sucks up all fluids, and it is the fluids that allow him enough to fight.

One more long night and tomorrow will bring new events, one way or another, but in light of his appetite, it's looking a bit brighter!
 

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Aww, bless his little heart, trying so hard to get better!

He is def. thin, no kitten tummy here!

I wish I could see his eyes better. They are sort of a tell-all.

Does he have a distant look?
 
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He is doing ok this morning! I fell asleep for longer than I wanted but he woke me up running & meowing around the den (I slept on the floor next to his set up) He did have some loose stools through the night, but he also ate and drank a little. He just got fluids and his antibiotics and some pedialyte/baby food and now he is resting again. He is in better shape than last night
I'm trying to get in touch with the vet so that we can get up there while she is there this afternoon for his IV fluids. I cannot WAIT for this weekend to be over. I HATE weekends at this point. Tomorrow he will go straight back to the vet to get IV fluids all day, if he needs it.
 

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Just saw this update, that is great news!! You're right, he doesn't have 'the look'.

It makes me think that it's possible the worst is over........I sure hope so. He was awfully sick.
 
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He is back at the vet getting IV fluids. He started to go down hill this afternoon, he was meowing and kept running/falling over to the litter box so i set him in it, but he would just meow and meow. So i pulled him out and stimulated him to urinate, and he peed SO MUCH and it was very yellow, but not strong smelling.

After that he seemed to lose some energy and so i gave him more fluids but he kept protesting and by the 3rd try i gave up since I felt like i was terrorizing him and i had successfully gotten about 10ml in him. So then i syringe fed him some more baby food and pedialyte, which he took. Then i checked his temp and it was 103.1. But his color was not looking good, like he was less pink and more white. I got him to take a little karo and some nutri cal.

The vet had said she would be there this afternoon even though they are closed, so i called and left a message. By 1 i had not heard back so I drove up there but no one was there. I came back home and he took some more pedialyte and some nutri cal. Then about 3 I went back up to the the vet and they were there, so i dropped him off. I have not heard anything yet. Keep him in your thoughts :(
 
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I picked Peter up a little after 7. The vet doesn't think he will make it through the night, but I have more hope, although I am trying to be realistic.  He isn't doing good though, he is really weak, and he has got some kind of bacterial infection going on in his leg now, even though he is on Orbax. Please keep him in your thoughts tonight.

 

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Oh my gosh........no he doesn't look good hon.

What a battle, he tried, you did everything and more to get him through this, I'm so sorry.

You and Peter were in my mind today, I had a lighter heart for a bit, although knew he was not out of the woods by a longshot.

Funny how, well how he allowed you to sub-q him so many times, now suddenly he doesn't want it.

Is that his way of telling you?

You jumped over hurdles for him, and if you were in California Bay area I would be after you to foster for me, you are truly dedicated and have a genuine heart of gold.
 
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Oh my gosh........no he doesn't look good hon.
What a battle, he tried, you did everything and more to get him through this, I'm so sorry.
You and Peter were in my mind today, I had a lighter heart for a bit, although knew he was not out of the woods by a longshot.

Funny how, well how he allowed you to sub-q him so many times, now suddenly he doesn't want it.
Is that his way of telling you?

You jumped over hurdles for him, and if you were in California Bay area I would be after you to foster for me, you are truly dedicated and have a genuine heart of gold.


Thank you for the kind words, I'm holding him now and I don't think he has much longer :( he now is septic, one leg is swollen looks pretty bad. The vet said she was really concerned about what this is since he ison strong antibiotics. I have never seen anything like this in my life. He is such a fighter but I know he is suffering and I told him its ok to stop fighting if he wants to.
 

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Oh I have a lump in my throat.

It sounds like at this point he is suffering. I wish it were daytime so he can put out of his discomfort I guess I can call it. Not pain, but suffering.

It is best now to not give him fluids if you are sure he is headed out, and it def. sounds that he is.

The fluids will drag it out longer than it should be.

I'm so saddened, and so sorry for you going through this. 
 
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Yeah, i'm not giving fluids. He is actually still hydrated from being on the IV all afternoon. His temp is down so he isn't dehydrating as fast. it was 101.3 when i took it an hour ago. His nose is nice and pink but his gums are pretty white. He keeps meowing the saddest meow. i did try to give him some pedialyte with a syringe earlier but he doesn't want it, he just lets it fall out of his mouth. I really don't know what to think. I guess anything is possible, but the vet said if he was still alive in the morning when they open at 7, to bring him in. That's 5 hours and 50 minutes.
 

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I just got to my computer and first thing I looked for is an update.

I see your post from last night.

I do think he is dying, the sad meow, letting the fluid fall out of his mouth.

I've never asked you if you have gone through a kitten passing or not, I'm assuming you have but might be wrong.

I am hoping you have taken him to the vet, as you said, 7 am. I also believe you will have him gracefully put down if he is like he was as of last night, so he won't suffer.

Personally I take my little ones home to bury. It hurts too much to think of their little bodies at the vet.

This has been really odd, I still have serious doubts about panleuk, so many questions, the main thing keeping me from believing it is, the time frame is crazy, unheard of, the fact that you have 3 that are fine, now that just absolutely does NOT happen, unless of course they've been vaccinated BEFORE exposure.

As we both know, panleuk is just too aggressive to spare anyone, it is literally impossible they are not sick.

So then what is/was it??.....something genetic? I don't think so, at least nothing that strikes me.

It can't be fip, it could but not when you have lost 3 now. Not contagious like that, only the coronavirus part, but is an individual thing and no such thing as 3 cases in one home, close to the same time.

I will be thinking on this for sure.
 
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I'm sad to report that Peter passed away about 6 this morning. He went peacefully, and i was there with him :(

It's not the first kitten death i've been through, we lost 4 out of a litter of 6 earlier this year, but they were newborn kittens thrown in with a nursing mom and her 2 before we picked her up from the shelter, and we believe it might have been something genetic or a blood type mismatch as there was no saving them. Then we lost a little one to a liver shunt, but she passed at the vet's office. Then these from this illness.

I too have my doubts that it is Panleuk. it doesn't make sense, and the fact that Phoebe tested positive but never got sick besides vomiting once last Tuesday and having diarrhea for a few days, and then the other 2 siblings had no symptoms at all. Everyone is vaccinated now except Phoebe, who will get it this week. No way they were vaccinated before I got them since they were only 3-ish weeks old. It can't be something genetic as Peter was not related to the others. It is also strange that out of the 5 that got sick, all were boys except Phoebe who never really got sick, and Sam survived. Like somehow it mainly infected males. And Peter's last day was so much different than what happened with Zeus (who died hours after his first symptoms) and Apollo (who last a day or so at the vet on IV fluids) both of them also had vomiting and seizures right before passing which Peter did not have. Peter also had the septic infection in his leg that appeared Saturday night and got progressively worse, even though he had been on Orbax for days. It is all so very strange. About 3 or 4 am Peter got really thirsty and took about 24ml of fluids from a syringe, which gave me a little hope, but he was just far to weak.

This whole thing has been a nightmare and I have done so much researching but have not found anything that sounds like this.
 
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