Will it carry on to new born kittens?

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2 years ago I had and idea after hearing hearing a story about Rag Doll kittens and how their wild instincts were compressed. I look to other pets and heard that breeders sometimes mate different things to hopeful get a desired out come. I guess the same is ture for hypoallergenic dogs. So I had an idea can a cats spraying be compressed? I beived that if it could it would be a wonderful thing that could change some reasons why some people give up their cat to over coward shelters, why some land lords only allow 1 or 2 pets cutting back the home needed for cats. All of witch gose back to their being more catsthen homes to support our fur friends.
So I came up with the idea to use a product that will compress their spraying instincts. The product wad non harmful and worked on scoail behavor with other cats, to stop spraying, among other things.
I used it for a year on the mother and father cat. Were I noticed the mother cat did not even spray when in heat to get a males attion. It worked wonders and the spraying was well compressed.
During the queen peranety I forgot about that plug in. It was a sometime before I remebered the plug in that stopped her spraying. At that I was like ok I guess I well just keep useing it. The product is non harmful to cats and I witnessed very good side effects with the ones I already had.
My kittens were fine.The queen cat was not in a room by her self though thrir was another female fixed 2 males both fixed. One of them was the father cat on witch I fixed after finding out the the queen was going to have babies. I think that is why I never had the queen giving birth at the foot of my bed.
anyway the kitten passed every vet test. Health on all acounts. I even noticed when I moved they were all happy never spraying. The twins I call two of them licked a new kitten on the head with in a hour of metting the new kitten. The twins even when hissed at by the new kitten would lay down in front of the new comer to prove they were not a threat. Even to this day the try to included the newest member in play. So the producted worked wounders again. Proveing the story of Rag Dolls having lost their wild instincts over many many years throw nature and being trained to be pets. It also proves man made products such as things to stop spray indtincts work too.
My question how ever is will it carry over having the compressed the spraying instincts in mother, father and, kittens to any new offspring? That would fix the spraying problem in cats. But on the other hand their are hypoallergenic dogs that their offdpring wont have the same effects.
What is your debait point of veiw in this? All thought welcomes
 

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I believe that removing the cat's instinct to spray would almost be like declawing. The cat would no longer be able to tell the world he is upset, not feeling well, tell other creatures the scope of his territory, and whatever other feline reason for spraying. In other words, spraying is part of a cat's communication system. Removing that, a cat would resort to unacceptable, aggressive,  even destructive behavior.

People who understand cats know this. The way I would stop my cats from spraying is to make sure they are happy and healthy. 
 
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Thank you for replying to the post..... You are right I am a new to the cat world. I only been a owner for about 2 now. So I guess I did not understand everything about the idea of this choice but it dose explain why others did not try this before. I only ment well with that idea.
 
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mine are all happy and health. I am happy to report. :-)
 
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Hey I was thinking on 2nd thought why is it that no other vet and I mean 4 other vets disclaim your anwear. Cuz your lacking the insight of marking with paws. But to prove my point I will have a 2nd litter to prove ya wrong. thanks.
 

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Please don't have a 2nd litter just to try to prove a point. There are already far too many homeless kittens and cats who have to be euthanized every day.
 
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Well first off that advisor failed to see the point of the friendness in the kittens already born or the fact that the mother are father do not act up at all. Their also claiming that a cat can not mark their territory cuz they cant spray. Their forgetting the fact that cats use paws neck needleing people this is all marking too. But lets put that for now. A 2nd litter seeming that it did not happend the way yayi said. so their for my cats and kittens could not possibly be friend as I even stated above that they were. The only way to prove what already happend is by another litter of kittens.
 

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Well, hmm, you're not breeding for suppressing the spraying instinct if you're using a plug-in to suppress the behavior. All you proved is that your plug-in works. Which is great; you should sell it! But it doesn't change their genetic makeup. If the kittens don't spray, it may be because they aren't old enough, or don't feel like spraying for whatever reason (most cats don't, really), or because the plug-in is suppressing their desire to mark as well. Their social behavior may be because they were raised in a good home and properly socialized (the importance of that cannot be denied!).

I guess the question is: is spraying a genetically determined behavior? And I don't think it is. It's just urinating, and everybody has to pee :tongue2:. Maybe some cats are genetically more likely to be more territorial, some are genetically more likely to be anxious, etc., but the actual spraying is kind of like a young male human learning to pee on walls :lol3:. It's not genetic; it's more of a learned and environmental behavior.

Incidentally, purebred breeders kind of do select for less spraying. The toms who spray a lot frequently get neutered fairly quickly, and the toms who don't spray get to stay intact longer and father more kittens. IF spraying were a genetically selected behavioral trait, then I would expect to see less spraying in purebred cats. I'm not sure if that's true or not. I've known just as many pet purebreds who have inappropriate urinating behaviors.

Anyway, since you seem to recognize that there are more homes than cats, I don't know why you want to produce more cats :dk:. I think you'd do better to start selling your plug-in product :D.
 
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Willowy I fully a agree with everything you said. Yes the plug in effects it personally dire to spray not throe the make up of the cat at all.If it were throw the make up of it would have been like so many cancers effect the use of useing the bathroom. The cat would die alone.
Why it was done throw birth is the fact I beleive much of the personal that passes down by different breeds of cats ext.... Rag dolls being a good for that.
Lastesty I don't plan on breeding anymore it as said cuz I know someone would reply so icould make my point with out bedisgourded before then.
To anwesr your other why try this is to prove it works and many health laws deal with spraying. if their was a way to discount them laws. I presonal feel that it might help people have more cats if wanted and help land lords see that things could work. I am a home owner do to that fact. easier said more homes for cats less homeless cats that get put down that are adpoable. We kill over 2,000,000 a year that could be adpoted.
 

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Yeah, I meant more cats than homes, obviously :tongue2:. My fingers are faster than my brain :lol3:.

I think a lot of inappropriate urination problems are caused BY the owners---poor litterbox maintenance, stressful conditions, etc. That's just how cats communicate; they can't tell us they want their box cleaned or that having their litterbox next to the furnace is scary to them.
 
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Nothing I can do about owners. So I guess I am at a loss in that.
 

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there is a somewhat similiar product to what you describe, the Feliway diffuser.   It too is worth to try.   If your product you invented, as I understand it, is even better, fine.

But we do have something to compare with.  Nay, it doesnt seem to change the genetics...  Although it does work in every generation by itself.

But making sure you choose friendly studs tends to give more friendly kittens... 

I do agree with the others.  If you DID discovered such a product you seem to describe which works.

You can try and find some other cat owners to try it out.  And plan on marketing and selling it.

You dont need more second generation litters for it.    :)

Good luck!
 
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I did not invent the protected.
I also did not chagne the genetics with what a called a plug in. I should have been more clear and asked if the personality being compressed would carry over.
To make it easiry would compressed personalitys carry over.
 
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I think I see were the missteack I made was when I posted here. That is I said my product in that I merely ment a product I was useing. Like when someone says my car that dose not mean they invented a car.
2nd misteack was I was talking about breeders try to get personal things to show up in breeds. I might have given the wrong idea and was not clear that I was talking about personality instead of genetics. In no way would outside effects effect the make up of genetics. I thought I was clear in that when I stated it wasa plug in.
The product is the Feliway stress remover tst I used. That is a wonderful product.
Also I would like to sorry for the mix up in my post before. I should have re-read the post and took out the confuseing parts. I also should have given more credited to the members here with out trying to over explain things hopping to make a point.
 

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No, the personality change wouldnt change the genetics and bear forth into next generation.

The soviet scientist Lysenko thought so once upon a time, but it was just his idea without real bearing upon sciences...

Lysenko wasnt no bad scientist, he had made a couple of  other really good discoveries in the field of raising corps [edit:  crops], but this was not one of them good ideas...
 
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Basic temperment is inherited (though not necessarily from your parents; sometimes a few generations back), so say if you bred particularly extroverted kitties to each other, after a few generations you would probably have a pretty good chance of the kittens being generally extroverted. But personality details are based on life experience, especially early in life. So if one of your kitties had a traumatic experience early in life, he/she may be shy and timid even if his/her genetic temperment is extroverted. It's really all very complicated and not well understood, even by the scientists who study temperment and personality.
 
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Willowy you hit it out of the park again good job..........Huh so that is something I have not thought of. I did have them in a huge cage while mother meomed to either be let in the cage or out. While the father and another fixed male would peek in on them while my other female fixed to would do the same. So with the feliway producted pluged In to claim them their first personal in action with others cats would havebeen good. So a few months later on when I got the new kitten they just appected her licked her on the head as part of the pack. I should have known that.
 
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