advice - do u think this cat is prego?

Aww, how cute. Did you name them yet?

In addition to not gaining weight he can hardly walk one step without falling over. He also does this head bob over and over almost like he is trying to get up.

if it id not gaining weight call the vet.

What can I do besides switch vets?  I feel like my vet messed my kitten up and am wondering if that is what caused the still born too?  I had a home for the kitten but I am sure they won't want it now.  Before this we were thinking about keeping all the kittens even though some want them because I am so attached.  My cat is worse than the one in the video.  He can't move one paw without completely rolling.  What do you suggest?  Should I put the gray one down?  He is so handsome.  I am so upset about all this.  Over a month ago I didn't even have one cat and now am so attached and don't know what to do.  He can't hardly hold his head up, he has a head bob!

I am also really mad at the vet. When I brought Cloey, my stray in before I even brought her into our home I was trying to ask the age and if he thought she was pregnant when he had the vaccines in the room but had not started them yet. Instead of pausing and talking about that he started giving the vacinations and encouraged me to get her spayed that Monday even if she was pregnant. She was 7 weeks along even after he feeled around and said he felt no kitten balls but wasn't 100% sure but would still get her spayed as there are too many cats in the world.  He told me if I want kittens he can get me some kittens.

I waited becuase I could never possibly abort new born kittys.  Now my kitty has problems and it is linked to one of the vaccines. I didn't even know at the time the vaccinations could be an issue and the vet who is supposed to help your cat be more healthy didn't tell me I found that out by my own research. Now I don't know if I should put it down or let him struggle with it. They say they can live with the disease but could have a shorter life due to accidents. He can't take a step without rolling over and has done the head bobbing for weeks. .

"Cerebellar Hypoplasia, aka Cerebral Hypoplasia, is a condition often caused in the uterus of a pregnant cat, either by the mother cat contracting panleukopenia (feline distemper), or receiving panleukopenia vaccines (considered "core vaccines) during pregnancy. Other congenital causes include injury or poisoning. Some kittens who survive birth will show almost immediate signs of CH, first with "bobbly" or jerky heads as they attempt to feed, then later, with wobble or spastic-like movements when they try to walk. A kitten may fall to its side while trying to walk, then roll back and forth in an effort to right itself, only to fall over again."

What would you do?  Can a vet be liable? 

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Feline Cerebellar Hypoplasia "Gordon"
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Here is "Gordon" as a kitten and later as an adult (today) at the end of the video (15 months old). He was birthed by his mother in the rafters of a barn

I'm really very unclear about what happened when.  It looks like this to me:

22nd August - you had taken a stray to the vets and he wasn't sure if she was pregnant or had had a litter.  No mention of vaccinating her or any other treatment.  My own comment:  any female stray should be assumed to be pregnant.

24th August - she is moody and hungry.

2nd September - she had 3 live kittens and one dead deformed one.

5th September - she was not so well and you took her to the vets.  No mention of the diagnosis or treatment, if any.

22nd September - you thought all was well.

23rd September - the grey wasn't putting weight on and not walking well.  A question: Did his walking get worse?  Or has he never walked well?

24th September - venting about the vet.

It is worth noting that since she was a stray who turned up 7 weeks pregnant, so she could well have been exposed to viruses etc. before you had her that have caused the problems.

Also, even if she was vaccinated while pregnant, I'm not sure that giving it so late in pregnancy (7 weeks plus) would cause major problems, as my 7 weeks the organs are mostly formed.  It's very different to the first 3 weeks when the fertilised egg turns into a foetus.

Personally I would have had her spayed if I couldn't tell she was pregnant e.g. nipples didn't look pregnant and I couldn't feel any movement - I felt movement in my own cat from 6 weeks.  A couple of of reasons for that.  Firstly there are far too many moggie kittens around, the world and specifically where I live doesn't need any more.  My kittens would take potential homes for rescue kittens, and whilst it's a horrible choice I'd rather abort unborn kittens than see ones that are alive and well pts simply because they can't find a home fast enough.  Secondly as you might have found, who knows what happened to her before she turned up?  She could have been ill, been exposed to heaven know what, and so on.

Anyway, you need to look at worming them all.  You can be pretty sure that stray cats haven't been wormed, and roundworms move from mother to kitten.

edit:  given her origins (she turned up 7 weeks pregnant) and the information you have and haven't given I don't see any way the vet could be culpable.

You might find you need to syringe feed him for a few days until he can eat well enough on his own.  Hills A/D or Royal Canin Recovery are the stuff for that.  Take a teaspoon out and mix with enough hot water to soften it enough that you can draw it up into the syringe, and gently and slowly squirt it into the side of the kitten's mouth.  I had to feed one of mine for a week, and I held him by his scruff to do it.  The extra water also helps prevent dehydration.  Kittens that aren't feeding properly go downhill frighteningly quickly as I found - from well to death's door (almost) in 2 days.

When I took her to the vet the first time and her nipples were pink he had thought she had either had a litter or was pregnant like I mentioned above.  He did not mention the impacts of vaccinations and I had no clue what they could do, I have never owned a cat.  He did not even pause to discuss my concerns that she might be pregnant but got the vaccinations out and started giving them to her.  When I was there I wanted her as healthy as can be so I wanted to get her everything possible including deworming.

Now that I see the definition of the disease is often caused by a pregnant mother getting the panleukopenia vacination I am upset that I had no knowledge of that and was not filled in on that before he gave the vaccination.  I specifically asked him before the vaccine if he thought she was pregnant.

Yes, it could have been caused by something else but it makes me upset that this could have been inflicted on the kitten and avoided.  It is a sad thing and would not even have thought that if I had not read that in the definition of the disease!  Not to mention he is very handsome with rare markings, a beautiful cat!

Now I have to figure out if keeping this kitten is a bad choice due to the quality of life he will not have.

The kitten has done the head bobbing for a week and a half and I didn't think much of it at the time.  They are all a little behind and the two others just started walking really well last night, that is when I truly thought that him falling over with his every step and rolling issue is probably not that he is just behind the girls but maybe a true issue.  So it just ocurred to me yesterday to start researching if this is just late development or a true issue.  Like I said I have never had cats.

cloey said:

 
Now I have to figure out if keeping this kitten is a bad choice due to the quality of life he will not have.

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Having cerebellar hypoplasia does not mean that he will not have a good quality of life. There is a very recent thread on this. I would encourage you to watch the video that LDG posted.

http://www.thecatsite.com/t/265246/ive-heard-of-clumsy-cats-but-this#post_3413923

this could have been inflicted on the kitten and avoided

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But it might have made no difference - he might have had this problem anyway.  My feeling is that he would.  She had the vaccine late in pregnancy and the litter mates are not affected and you haven't said any of them have any signs of illness.  Causes other than the vaccine include asphyxia at birth, viral infection before you took the mother in, malnutrtion during pregnancy, poison and injury.  My own feelings lean towards asphyxia or injury since the other kittens don't appear to have a problem.  Yes the vet shouldn't have vaccinated here when it was possible she was pregnant, but what's done is done.  If it was me I think I'd change vets though.  He's been careless once, he might be careless again.  Note that careless isn't the same as culpable.

Do u think injury in the womb or later
Mom is really rough with the kittens. Bites not just neck but all over pretty hard. Don't know if that is normal. Probably something was going on in the womb since she had the deformed still born. I am thankful for two apparently healthy kittens. They are sweet.

Being really rough can be inexperience, or not feeling safe, or somehow 'knowing' there is something wrong with the kitten.  Maybe other things as well.

Personally I feel asphixia at birth is a fair candidate, as is infection during pregnancy.  However what matters most of all is caring for him.  There are lots of positive articles on the web about cats with CH, so far as I can tell the outlook isn't grim.

So now stormy can't seem to suck or latch on momma. We bought a boytk e last week with no luck. But yesturday got a siringe and have been fk rcing some even with his constant sceams. However, he is spits a lot out. Plus the formula gave him diarrhea, is that ok?

He is 11 oz while his sisters are 17 and 18. Does he need to see an emergency vet?

I would definitely find a new vet and take the kittens and mamma in. Explain the situation, how you got her, what happened with the other vet, what is happening now as fully as possible. Make sure the vet isn't making you feel rushed, make sure they fully explain all your options (if they give you one course of treatment ask them if there are other options, just to be informed). That other vet was being judgemental and hasty, he obviously has some very strong opinions and can't separate them from his job. He was being negligent when he gave vaccines to a cat that could be pregnant. I would send a complaint via email to the vet clinic where that vet works, but unfortunately not much else can be done.

Also, according to my vet, it is more dangerous to give a cat vaccines in the last trimester of pregnancy than earlier on.

Sending good vibes for the little ones!