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Hello again. I just thought of a question. Before we were able to isolate the boys they managed to impregnate the two other females. Coon has already had hers but our other female shadow is due in 3 to 4 weeks roughly. My question is, do I need to find a different room for her when she has her kittens or would I be able to keep her in the same room as Coon? They usually get along, but with being pregnant who knows what kind of mood Shadow will be in after giving birth.
 

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You answer yourself you questions.   With two best friends you can "usually" have them together, hoping the other will act help mom.   But you cant be sure, so you must plan on some sort of isolation if need be.  If you dont have spare rooms, a dog cage works OK for the having the nest in.

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Thanks. One more question. How old should the kittens be before they ate introduced to the other animals?
 
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About a week ago Coon decided to bring her kittens down and hide them behind the baby's bed in the cat house. Its one of the ones with the plastic polls and different additions you can get at Walmart. Anywaa they seemed fine in there for the first few days til the dog heard one of the kittens meow. Ever since then the dog has been going crazy trying to get in there. Well long story short yesterday he had one in the middle of the floor and today we get home from soccer to find a dead kitten on the floor in front the Kitty house. We tried before to put them back upstairs but Coon would just bring them right back down so we just left them. Now I'm regretting it. I should have kept taking them back up and found a way to fill the bottom of the door so she couldn't get out but I didn't I was going to let decide what she wanted to do. Now the dog got back in there and tried to get another one. We put them back upstairs and took the cat house up and got her all set up again even put a board along the bottom of the door so she can't get back out. Now she is going to where they used to be searching and meowing like crazy. Is she looking for the other one? Is there anyway to help her get past losing one? Should we allow her out of the room from time to time or just leave her locked? Can cats get jealous? Midget my queen who only had one and it died about two weeks later is being mean to Coon. Hissing and growling and sometimes fighting with her. Why is this? Can cnmats have miscarriahez
 

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It seems to be best you have Coon locked in in a room, with her babies.

A little peculiar she didnt clawed this hostile dog into pieces beginning with his eyes. Moms usually defends their kittens. Or can it happen he wasnt hostile, just gave unlucky help??

I mean, it happens the family dog is friends with the mom cat, and is acting help mom....

But if itsnt so, they must be separated at all costs.
 
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Hes usually a good dog mamma will curl right up to him and lay down with him so I think it was just an accident but we weren't home. Mamma keeps trying to move her babies and not to the right places. I just hope if she stays long enough she will readjust.
Is there anything to do to help her accept the loss or do I just give her time?
 

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Is there anything to do to help her accept the loss or do I just give her time?
The best is to show her the dead kitten.  But I suppose you took it away and disposed of the body, so it cant be done.

The only left is to leave her with her surviving kittens in a safe room, and also  be there and trying to show her sympathy.
 
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Yea we buried the baby already and have been spending lots of time with her.
 

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Firstly, are the grown-up boys all neutered now?  The smell of an entire male can be upsetting to a queen with kittens.

Secondly, I know that trying to stop a queen putting kittens where she wants is an up-hill battle.  So, you need to make sure her choosen spot is safe for them and keep teh dog far enough away that he isn't scrabbline at the door and so on - that also will make her feel unsafe.
 

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I have never raised a litter of kittens, so I cannot help you out there. I just wanted to ask if you have any low cost/free spay/neuter programs in your area. Only reason I am asking, is b/c I live in the middle of nowhere (MT), by most people's standards and even still there are multiple spay/neuter programs. I just don't understand why it is so difficult for people to get help with that. I am glad to hear that you will be taking care of it soon, though. I'm sure you love your cats very much and YOU would never leave them in a box on the side of the road or dump them in the shelter, but that doesn't mean they might not end up there at some point in their life. Good luck!
 
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We do have a spay and neuter program but you have to be on state assistance in order to qualify ans there is only one vet within 60 miles that accepts the program finding and we are very tight on money. When I first got the cats I got two girls since I knew the risk of getting brother and sister and also knew that i wouldn't be able to get them fixed right away. A few months later my spouse got laid off for three months and we fell behind on rent got evicted and ended up moving to my dads. My brother also lives at my dads and he got the two brothers and the last sister. That is why we ended up with so many Cays. I am a cat lover but I am also a smart person who uses my head when getting cats. I can't stand the thought of kittens being born and abandoned it makes me sick and I would never intensionally put my self in that position or put my cats in that position. Anyway during to lack of money I have now found myself with more cats than I intended. We are looking for good homes for all cats. If I can't afford a home for myself then I shouldnt have pets. I have been looking for homes and doing everything that I can to care for and lo e these cats. No I haven't been able to get the other cats into the vet yet and still almost a thousand dollars for the first cat that had to spend a week at the vet for a bladder infection and kidney stones. Once I get the bill paid down I will get the next cat it then the next and so on til they ate all done. All I'm trying to say is ease up on me about getting the boys fixed. We have them in their own special room away from the girls. Coon and the babies which are doing Amazing thanks for asking, are locked away in their own special room. Today I found the kittens hiding under the dresser and one crawled out and came right to me. Anyway please stop hounding me about being poor and unable to afford to fix my cats. You talk about being in the middle of no where look up east Randolph Vermont that will show you what the middle of no where looks like. Thanks to everyone for the advice and support.
 

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Sigh...  If you have to pay for a C-section for one of the females it will make having the males castrated look very, very cheap.  Come to that so does the food bill & litter for an average-size litter.  As soon as you have a household with entire males and females in it pregnancy will almost certainly follow - someone, sometime will leave a door open.

And since the males belong to your brother surely he should pay to castrate them?  I'm very surprised you aren't having problems with them spraying in the house.
 
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!!!!!! We have more kittens!!!! Three days ago we found a new home for one of our females shadow which is the one that I thought lost her kittens when she got stuck under the bedroom door. Any way we started hearing scratching and meowing behind our shower in the wall. Well we found three kittens in there that look about the same size as Coons kittens. We brought them up to the cat room with Coon as the other kittens. The other kittens don't seemed bothered by them but Coon keeps growling and hissing at the new kittens. She has licked them some but growls while doing it. Is there a chance that she will accept these little ones and help them if they need it? They must be at least 4 weeks old if not older. I can't remember if shadow got skinny just before or just after Coon gave birth but it was either a week before or a week after so they are 4 to 6 weeks old. I am trying to contact my vet to see what they can tell me. They look healthy very skiddish and very playful but they have been 3 days without their mother or any access to any food.
 

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My guess is Coon will accept them, quite soon even, if she already does lick / wash them.  Talk sweetly and praisingly to her when she licks them!

Kittens in the wild dont always have mom with them, the moms must go get food, leaving them alone for hours or even days...  So lets hope thise 3 days wont hurt them.  But do ask your vet for advice, as you do have access to one. 

Good luck!
 
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Well once again seems like I worry to much. The kittens are doing great and Coon seems to have accepted them. My daughter saw the new ones nursing. They are very active and even though they have been living in the wall they crave attention. Every time anyone goes in they all come running. By looking at them they look younger but when I think back I'm pretty sure they were born the week prior to Coon.
 
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Randolph, VT. Looks like there is a FREE neuter/spay program through your local Humane Society happening on November, 2. Here are the specs...http://cvhumane.com/uncategorized/free-cat-spay-neuter-with-transportation-from-marshfield/

I never said you were poor.
I am so very truly sorry for the rudeness of my previous post. Please don't think ill of me for it. I love this site and find all the advice to be very helpful and that's all that you were doing.g being helpful. Thank you so much for taking the time to look up the free spay and neuter information. I'm putting in my calendar and I'm going to b there with as many cats as I'm allowed. All the kittens should be old enough by then to get fixed as well. Again I'm am sorry for being disrespectful and rude. Thank you so much for all the advice and help!
 

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No problem :-) Like you said, I was just trying to help. It is such great news that you will be taking advantage of the spay/neuter program!! I commend you for wanting the best for your kids. Let us know how is goes!
 

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I am so very truly sorry for the rudeness of my previous post. Please don't think ill of me for it. I love this site and find all the advice to be very helpful and that's all that you were doing.g being helpful. Thank you so much for taking the time to look up the free spay and neuter information. I'm putting in my calendar and I'm going to b there with as many cats as I'm allowed. All the kittens should be old enough by then to get fixed as well. Again I'm am sorry for being disrespectful and rude. Thank you so much for all the advice and help!
 
No problem :-) Like you said, I was just trying to help. It is such great news that you will be taking advantage of the spay/neuter program!! I commend you for wanting the best for your kids. Let us know how is goes!
I just have to add my verbal mad props to both of you for so peacefully resolving a tense situation. Unfortunately these kind of disagreements happen in PC&K all too often as everyone is passionate and it's all too easy for words or the meaning behind them to be misconstrued. Being a pro spay and neuter community Jazzy was not at all out of line in suggesting that the surgeries be given a high priority, but sometimes it's hard not to take that personally, especially when you feel like you are doing the very best you can. 

Tasha- it's very clear you do only want what is best for each one of your cats and kittens and have just found yourself in a precarious situation. I am so happy to hear you have looked into the spay and neuter program that Jazzy provided and are trying to plan for the future so that you can get this situation under control. I am by no means faulting or blaming you as I fully understand that sometimes these things really do just sort of happen (one cat comes and then another. A litter follows and it's too expensive to fix them all and it doesn't seem that bad until the next one comes...... it's hard to know where to start). It would have been easy for you to blow off Jazzy's advice. I have a lot of respect for you taking the high road and keeping things in perspective! 

And Jazzy- your advice was very sound and use of a local resource an amazing addition. You also could have responded negatively and made the situation worse but you didn't, and also took the high road. 

I suppose there is no point to this rambling other than I wanted to say that I, for one, am grateful to have both of you on the site, and think you both bring a lot to the table. So, thank you for being mature and sticking around! 


Finally, Tasha- it's okay to "overreact" when it comes to caring for kittens- it's better to ask the questions in advance than be worrying about it all the time! I also hope you will keep us posted with what happens at the spay/neuter clinic. If you have more questions in regards to that or in trying to re-home the kittens please don't hesitate to ask those as well. We are here not only to help you raise them but to help support you as you find their forever homes!
 
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