New Savannah/Bengal Kittens

Cat Person, thank you so much for the detailed posting.

After only having a domestic cat we picked up two Savannah/Bengal kittens yesterday, the looks and patterns a more Bengal than Savannah, but knowing both the parents made life a little easier on the blood line side.

"Next, your hybrid is MUCH: SMARTER, STRONGER (physically) and STUBBORN/WILLFUL then a Felis silvestris catus. So, you need to understand that your hybrid is going to rule the roost IF (that can be a major if) he/she chooses. You NEED to accept that this cat when healthy may NEVER like your domestics. My F3 Savannah and F1 Bengal LOVED all the domestics they grew up (the F1 Bengal and F3 Savannah did not live in my home at the same time or they would have bonded to each other and not the domestics.) but the Savannah would have been way too rough in play, with any domestic he did not grow up with. While, any domestic he grew up with he would instantly submit to. This is NOT uncommon for exotics and hybrids. The imprinting is done when the pure exotic or hybrid kitten or cat comes into your home. Additional Felis silvestris catus, need to be added prior to the hybrid or you need to understand that the "new/next" domestic may never ever be allowed with your hybrid. But, at bare minimum, even the best hybrid, will NEVER COMPLETELY submit to your new Felis silvestris catus."

This should really be posted front and center so anyone looking at a hybrid cat can see this, just watching the interaction of the kittens with our 10 year old domestic has been interesting, it also meant a long night for me, but oh well one night of staying up means a peaceful household for a long time I hope.

I have been slowly introducing our domestic to them and amazingly now, after only 24 hours there seems to be peace in the house, Sassy (domestic) seems to have made it clear that my office is "her" space, the rest of the house she doesn't seem to care about, the kittens, well let me just say, the paragraph above pretty much paints the picture, even at 8 weeks old, they have the bad ass cat attitude, the difference between them and doemestic kittens is an amazing sight.

With that said, we researched this for a long time before making the leap and it is certainly not for everyone.

I will post pictures if I can ever get them to sit still for 2 seconds.

Jetwet, congrats on your kittens. Sounds like they will be keeping you busy!
I'm surprised they let them go so young . The breeders I know of do not sell them under 12 weeks , for multiple reasons. I'm glad you have two, though, to keep each other company.

http://www.savannahcatchat.com/thre...ns-should-not-be-sold-before-12-16-weeks.724/

I 99% agree with what is there, however, in this case it was more of a rescue than anything.

These cats did not come from a breeder, they came from a home, which while it was a loving home, the person was totally overwhelmed, between the cats, a German Shepard, a little kid and a sick parent, the kittens were not getting the care and attention they needed.

I paid $0 for these cats, though I did leave some money behind to pay for food for the rest of the tribe.

They have now at the Vets with my wife getting a check up and any work done they need, something that I don't think would have happened in their last home.

I spent the night with them again, my lord, what a handful these two are, I am thinking about starting a semi daily diary on here, they are...Let's say adventurous.
 

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Jetwet, congrats on your kittens.

Yes indeed, major congratulations . Please, keep us posted on your progress .

Sounds like they will be keeping you busy!

If Jetwet, is lucky they will only be busy and not super duper overly busy .

I'm surprised they let them go so young . The breeders I know of do not sell them under 12 weeks , for multiple reasons. I'm glad you have two, though, to keep each other company.

With F1's and the average persons expectation, I would say eight (8) weeks is fine. Since, just like the Serval they bond VERY tightly to "the human" and it happens very very quickly. So, for the new owner, the sooner the better regarding F1's. Now, with F2's it really depends on how well the breeder(s) know the individual kittens. Meaning, some F2's can very easily adapt to a "new person" at 12 weeks and some it could take weeks to months, in order to get over the trauma of losing " there family". Now, most F3-SBT should be taken at 12 to 16 weeks.

Next, I am guessing the Bengal used was SBT. But, with a foundation level (F1-F4) Bengal cat(s), the sooner the new owner gets the kittens the better. Since, foundation Bengals are NOTORIOUS for "flipping out" over any environmental change. The stories, about my F1 Taro are NOT normal. She was an exceptional cat. It is nothing me or even the breeder could take credit for. She was just a VERY people oriented cat by nature. It is NOT something ANYONE, IMHO, could "recreate" in an F1 Bengal.

http://www.savannahcatchat.com/thre...ns-should-not-be-sold-before-12-16-weeks.724/

What follows is just my . So, I beg of you, please keep that in mind ? The people on that website (the mods, that are mainly breeders, the "general public" are the pet owners) give both sides of the coin and yes, that is very very good. But, it does not seem like a "real experience" overall. Let me explain, the breeders, make the Savannah sound like a "slightly hyperactive" house cat. Well, we all know that is not true. From there behavior to medical care, they are very very different then a domestic. But, they are NOTHING like owning a pure exotic. Even a HP (high percentage) F1 or F2 is FAR MORE manageable then a pure Leptailurus serval like I owned, for the average person . That, now brings me to my next point, the other people on that site (the ones I call the "general public") make there cat or want to make there cat sound like a mini Leptailurus serval. I am not sure why. Since, if a Savannah TRULY acted like a Leptailurus serval, NO ONE would want them. Almost all Leptailurus serval spray. While, it is not as strong smelling, as a pure Felis silvestris catus that isn't castrated, it is still more then most people could handle. A Leptailurus serval can spray lord knows how much urine in a day, they spray you and your home (castrated or not) to show they are "happy" and are beyond destructive in the pica (eating on non-food items) department. Plus, they chew like a giant dog, for there WHOLE LIFE . While, I will admit, some F1's and some F2's can be quite a handfull. Most do not mark (at least, if castrated at the right age), most will not "chew your house down" and most of them use a normal litter/litter box. Not giant cement mixing trays to be "litter trained".  I had two per room, yes two, in order for my pure Leptailurus serval   to not have "acidents". Plus, I was very very lucky and he was old (I was his fifth and final owner), so he only sprayed his outdoor enclosure and NOT my home.

So, please keep ALL that in mind, when dealing with that forum .

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Originally Posted by jetwet1

Cat Person, thank you so much for the detailed posting.

I am very very glad you liked it and very very glad it helped you .

After only having a domestic cat we picked up two Savannah/Bengal kittens yesterday, the looks and patterns a more Bengal than Savannah, but knowing both the parents made life a little easier on the blood line side.

What generation (F1-SBT) Bengal was used? I am guessing SBT and the sire/tom was the male. But, I could be very very wrong . So, my next guess , is that the Savannah was the queen. Do you know what generation (F1-SBT) the Savannah was? I am asking because, with the theoretical twig values, of exotic cat blood, I can help you "understand" your kittens/cats better. Though, you seem to bave a very very good handle on it and for that I must you!
 

"Next, your hybrid is MUCH: SMARTER, STRONGER (physically) and STUBBORN/WILLFUL then a Felis silvestris catus. So, you need to understand that your hybrid is going to rule the roost IF (that can be a major if) he/she chooses. You NEED to accept that this cat when healthy may NEVER like your domestics. My F3 Savannah and F1 Bengal LOVED all the domestics they grew up (the F1 Bengal and F3 Savannah did not live in my home at the same time or they would have bonded to each other and not the domestics.) but the Savannah would have been way too rough in play, with any domestic he did not grow up with. While, any domestic he grew up with he would instantly submit to. This is NOT uncommon for exotics and hybrids. The imprinting is done when the pure exotic or hybrid kitten or cat comes into your home. Additional Felis silvestris catus, need to be added prior to the hybrid or you need to understand that the "new/next" domestic may never ever be allowed with your hybrid. But, at bare minimum, even the best hybrid, will NEVER COMPLETELY submit to your new Felis silvestris catus."

This should really be posted front and center so anyone looking at a hybrid cat can see this,

I am really glad you liked it . I have no idea where that is though .

just watching the interaction of the kittens with our 10 year old domestic has been interesting,

It will get more interesting as time goes on .  Please, keep us (or at least me ) up to date, on what happens !

it also meant a long night for me,

You will have more long nights and possibly many many more long nights with them. Since, they are only eight (8) weeks old.

but oh well one night of staying up means a peaceful household for a long time I hope.

The first year is the hardest. It will lay the ground work for the relationship you will have these cats. You must remember, NEVER EVER allow these kittens to bite or claw you. Yes, injuries (to the human) are inevitable. You must teach the cats no bite. In general (we all know how generalizations go ) exotics and hybrids, when upset will bite you. Did the breeder(s) explain to you, how to teach the concept of "no bite?" If not, I will gladly explain. Yes, just jumping on you like a cat tree (it is natural and how they show "love) will cause you to get scratched and scared quite frequently. Are you already playing with there paws and claws (just like you would do with a Canis lupus familiaris)? If not, I would HIGHLY recommend it . Now is also the time to get them used to nail trimming. Depending on the exotic cat percentage, this can be "very easy to it is much easier to take them to the vet ". But, either way, I would recommend you get them used to nail trims .

I have been slowly introducing our domestic to them and amazingly now,

Wow, you did that fast .

after only 24 hours there seems to be peace in the house,

Yay ! Just do not be upset, if you have a few "set backs" along the way .

Sassy (domestic) seems to have made it clear that my office is "her" space,

You need to let her "keep" that space. Since, depending on the generation, these could be very very large cats and with there energy level, they could VERY easily injure a domestic, let alone a older one. Plus, the 1 v.s. two issue .

the rest of the house she doesn't seem to care about,

Good good .

the kittens, well let me just say, the paragraph above pretty much paints the picture,

Awe, how cute !

even at 8 weeks old, they have the bad ass cat attitude,

I am not sure, if that is a good or bad thing. You need and yes I mean need, these cats to bond with you. It is much easier for a hybrid kitten to bond with another cat, let alone a cat it is familiar with and it's own age then a human. So, you might want to keep one, in a  room for a few hours a day and "work" with them individually. I could be completely off base and please forgive me. Hybrids in general and kittens most of all do have "cattitude". But, my experience, with the term "cattitude" is never positive. So, that is why I question the term.

the difference between them and doemestic kittens is an amazing sight.

Yes, as they get older, the differences are even more extreme. At least in my experience.

With that said, we researched this for a long time before making the leap

That is really really good, IMHO and I am very very happy to see that !

and it is certainly not for everyone.

Nope, they most definitely are NOT!

I will post pictures if I can ever get them to sit still for 2 seconds.

No need for them to stand still, I will be very very very happy with blurry ones !

Cat Person, thank you again for the reply.

The Queen is Savannah, the sire a Bengal, I have no idea what generation they are, I have reached out to the original owner to ask her.

The big quote came from post 16 in this thread..From you

I have no idea why I typed "our 10 year old domestic" my girl is 14, she had issues, but that's my girl and she knows it...or rather I'm her man lol

Once I can post pictures life will become a little easier, but Kopi (the more Savannah) does not bite or claw, Lynx (more Bengal coat) is trying to bite, I had to explain to the wife that that was a serious no no with these two.

The peace has come about mostly because Sassy has decided to ignore them, the only time she stands her ground is if they try and come into my office.

The cattitude (love that term)...Ok maybe I didn't explain that well.... Most kittens I have seen will back down from a bigger animal, Sassy while not huge is still many times larger than the kittens, Lynx doesn't seem to care, this morning Sassy was asleep under the dinging room table, Lynx was maybe 2 feet away from her, just watching her. Sassy woke up and started growling and hissing. Lynx growled back, then also chirped a little which really seemed to confuse Sassy.

Oh yes, the cats are bilingual. they meow like normal cats, but also they will chirp like Savannahs....Great cats with secret codes.

Edit : Queen is an F5 Savannah, sire F2 Bengal  according to the original owner.

Well we got them to sleep a little, so it's picture time, as you can see from this thread : http://www.thecatsite.com/t/258933/f4-savannah-mother-x-bengal-father and the pictures of our dynamic duo, it seems that with the cross breeding of Savannahs and Bengals, at least later generations, at least to me the domestic side is starting to take over the looks, at least of the kittens.

On Kopi, the more grey cat, the spots are there, just very very pale, they are there however, there is also, what I would describe as a little bit of marbling.

On Lynx the pattern is very much like Clynn 11's kitten Draco.

The difference between these kittens and straight Savannahs and Bengals is pronounced, again leading me to think that with the inter breeding the domestic side is becoming dominant, at least in looks.

From a physical point of view, oh hell these kittens are nuts, at 8 weeks they have no issues in jumping from the ground to the back of a high backed living room chair, about 4 feet, window sills are easy, which of course has meant that a lot of things have had to be moved.

Kopi looks like a ticked tabby! but you said he is actually spotted , but looit ks like the spots are just very faint and there is a lot of ticking on the body. That might be a kitten thing though. I think Bengal kittens do go through a stage where they are not just fuzzy but have more ticking.
lso the pattern will often gradually "open up" especially in the marbles.

and Lynx looks like Black Silver Classic Tabby ( = marble in Bengals.)

I don't see a lot of Savannah x Bengal mixes. I would think they would be very variable. It would be interesting to see the parents too, to compare!

Is it not letting you embed the photos? ( I had to download them to see them.) What happens when you click on the little icon of a photo above the message box? will it let you upload from your hard drive, or point to a URL from a photo hosting site?

In what people call the lower generations ( which used to really confuse me, because it is a higher F number, though it usually means a lower percentage of non-domestic ) , the looks are variable depending on what cats have been used, and on what they're selecting for. And there's no breed standard for a cross. and it sounds like maybe whoever bred these cats was not really putting much thought into it.


Hey Cat Person, thanks for weighing in about the age.
I know that the 12 wks is what has become pretty standard in domestic cat breeds. but wasn't sure how that might apply to exotics or early generation hybrids, if there was some value to getting them earlier like puppies. and I'm sure different breeders have different ideas on that. Seems like things like immune system would still be on the side of later. But with an F1 , if they would get more stressed out at the change at a few weeks older, that would be on the side of sooner.
Normally with domestics the idea is they learn so much from their mom in that period and from interacting with littermates. and the ones who are separated earlier are more likely for example not to have learned to inhibit their bite in playing. So that has to be taught by the new humans. but they often don't do as good a job as the cat mom. I don't know how this applies to hybrids but I would think it would
Jetwet I would definitely take Cat Person up on the offer to teach No Bite, if the breeder did not instruct you on that!

Sounds like you were basically helping clean up a mess . I do hope they get the parent cats altered ASAP..

We will look forward to hearing lots more about these rambunctious kits!

maewkaew said:

Kopi looks like a ticked tabby!

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Originally Posted by jetwet1  


Well we got them to sleep a little,

, that is the best you can hope for . Exotic cat hybrids do not "sleep threw the night", I know you must feel so .

so it's picture time, as you can see from this thread : http://www.thecatsite.com/t/258933/f4-savannah-mother-x-bengal-father and the pictures of our dynamic duo, it seems that with the cross breeding of Savannahs and Bengals, at least later generations, at least to me the domestic side is starting to take over the looks, at least of the kittens.

Like I said in that thread, I do NOT see any hybrid in said cats. Now, that does not mean anything. It just means that I do NOT see it.

On Kopi, the more grey cat, the spots are there, just very very pale, they are there however, there is also, what I would describe as a little bit of marbling.

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I do not see any exotic cat hybrid in that kitten. I really really hope you are not offend. Maybe maekaew does and I am missing it. While, Felis chaus natural coat pattern is ticked, it does not like look like that, in Felis chaus or it's hybrid, the Chausie or JC hybrid. I really and truly hope you are not offended. But, I do not see any hybrid.

On Lynx the pattern is very much like Clynn 11's kitten Draco.

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Again, just like I said about Clynn 11's kitten, I do not see any sort of exotic cat hybrid (at the time of the post) in that cat. By now, it could look very very different. But, I have no idea.

The difference between these kittens and straight Savannahs and Bengals is pronounced,

Yes, that is for sure!

again leading me to think that with the inter breeding the domestic side is becoming dominant, at least in looks.

Yes, that is for sure. Since, at the moment and based off those photo's (one of each kitten) I see nothing that indicates exotic cat hybrid.

From a physical point of view, oh hell these kittens are nuts, at 8 weeks they have no issues in jumping from the ground to the back of a high backed living room chair, about 4 feet, window sills are easy, which of course has meant that a lot of things have had to be moved.

Now, that screams exotic cat hybrid. Are you aware of " how to cat proof" your home? If not, I can help you. Are you aware of the term pica? If not, that means the eating of non-food items. Pure exotics and the exotic cat hybrids are VERY prone to pica. It is the worst in kittens and continies into later life. Pica has and can easily kill a exotic or hybrid cat.

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Originally Posted by jetwet1  


Cat Person, thank you again for the reply.

You are very very welcome .

The Queen is Savannah, the sire a Bengal, I have no idea what generation they are, I have reached out to the original owner to ask her.

Okay, thank you, very very much for trying !

The big quote came from post 16 in this thread..From you

, did I mention that I can be mega ditsy? If not, you are now warned ? What I meant is this, where do I post that information, so more people can see it ?

I have no idea why I typed "our 10 year old domestic" my girl is 14, she had issues, but that's my girl and she knows it...or rather I'm her man lol

Awe, that is great you and her are such great "friends"!

Once I can post pictures life will become a little easier, but Kopi (the more Savannah) does not bite or claw, Lynx (more Bengal coat) is trying to bite,

I see . I can't wait to see picture's .

I had to explain to the wife that that was a serious no no with these two.

Yes, while they do "teething" and such, you can NOT allow them to bite you! It maybe cute NOW, but as an adult cat, it is not cute. Plus, can seriously injure human flesh.

The peace has come about mostly because Sassy has decided to ignore them,

That is one very very very wise Felis sivestris catus .

the only time she stands her ground is if they try and come into my office.

Okay, then, you just need to keep the kittens out of there. At least, IMHO.

The cattitude (love that term)...

Please, use whatever term you want. As long as, you mean it in a "positive way", it is just fine .

Ok maybe I didn't explain that well....

I am sure, you explained it just fine . I can be maga ditsy, you will see more of it, the longer you "hang around".


Most kittens I have seen will back down from a bigger animal, Sassy while not huge is still many times larger than the kittens, Lynx doesn't seem to care, this morning Sassy was asleep under the dinging room table, Lynx was maybe 2 feet away from her, just watching her. Sassy woke up and started growling and hissing. Lynx growled back, then also chirped a little which really seemed to confuse Sassy.

Ahh, your household sounds like mine used to. One most admire a hybrid kittens spirit.

Oh yes, the cats are bilingual. they meow like normal cats, but also they will chirp like Savannahs....Great cats with secret codes.

Just wait, until you hear the Prionailurus bengalensis noises . Your comment about them being bilingual is just adorable !

Edit : Queen is an F5 Savannah, sire F2 Bengal  according to the original owner.

An F1-F4 male hybrid cat can not be fertile, as a general rule. The only exception, as a general rule, is the Felis chaus hybrids. Many F4 males are fertile. That is according to "genetic law". Please see this link(s): http://www.messybeast.com/genetics/hyb-bigcats-whatare.htm and http://www.messybeast.com/small-hybrids/hybrids.htm.

Thank you both for your replies.

I have sent a text over to the original owner (I don't like to use the term breeder with her because she wasn't doing this for profit) asking for pictures of the parents.

I have to agree with you both, they do not show the classic signs of either breed, I guess at this point it is a wait and see game to see how they develop. As I mentioned in a PM to catperson, with these hyrids now cross breading, we are living through a science experiment, which gene will be dominant and which traits will shine through. As I also said in the pm, while I can see cross breeding a Savannah and Bengal, I hope (though I know it's going to happen at some point) somebody doesn't get it into their head to cross breed say a Savannah with a Maine Coon.

Good lord are they smart though, I mean seriously seriously smart, already responding to their names, pretty much ignoring anything after that, but you call their name they come running.

They are lovers as well, I came home from work last night, went to the bedroom to get changed and they both came running into the room, jumped up on to the bed and demanded attention.

Going from our tabby that really didn't like being held to these two who are very happy to lay on you and watch TV is a nice change.

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And Lynx :


And both of them :

Quote:Originally Posted by jetwet1  


Thank you both for your replies.

You are very very welcome . I am glad, that you do not mind my huge wordy and I am sure, at times at least, boring posts!

I have sent a text over to the original owner (I don't like to use the term breeder with her because she wasn't doing this for profit) asking for pictures of the parents.

Yes, I really really hope they respond with picture's.

I have to agree with you both, they do not show the classic signs of either breed, I guess at this point it is a wait and see game to see how they develop.

Now, just like I said to you in PM, where the only whole (cat breeder tern for intact cats) cats the Bengal and Savannah? If not, again, just like I said in PM, the Bengal could have bred a domestic or the Savannah could have been bred by a domestic. Or, vise verse. That would explain the behavior pattern's you describe and the physical feature's that we see. I would like Maekaew to give there thoughts, hopefully, they do not mind .

As I mentioned in a PM to catperson, with these hyrids now cross breading, we are living through a science experiment, which gene will be dominant and which traits will shine through.

It will be very very interesting, at least in my humble opinion, to see how the genetics affect the physical feature's ,

As I also said in the pm, while I can see cross breeding a Savannah and Bengal, I hope (though I know it's going to happen at some point) somebody doesn't get it into their head to cross breed say a Savannah with a Maine Coon.

It has already happened. Many breeders, raised there Leptailurus serval with Maine Coons. There are many reasons: One is the cats are physically large, that makes it easier for the male Leptailurus serval to breed the Felis silvestris catus. Plus, the MC's have a  good disposition and that does not scare the Leptailurus serval. Yes, Leptailurus serval, is a "spook animal" and could be scared of an aggressive female domestic. Now, the long hair gene is recessive. So, all F1's are born short hair. As long as, the F2 female is paired with short haired male, that isn't carrying for long hair, the kittens will have short hair. One breeder has had a long haired F2 Savannah. I the cat. I am sure most people don't . Have a look at this link: http://www.demdar.com/Demdar_Available_Kittens.html.

Good lord are they smart though, I mean seriously seriously smart, already responding to their names, pretty much ignoring anything after that, but you call their name they come running.

Yea, the exotic cat hybrids are wicked smart . Just wait till they learn to turn on the water, open closet doors-then "help" by taking everything out. They will do the same with your cupboards and draws. May I recomend some child safety latches, that I have used over the years .

They are lovers as well, I came home from work last night, went to the bedroom to get changed and they both came running into the room, jumped up on to the bed and demanded attention.

Yes, I always said, it was a good thing, my F1 Bengal (though, she was very well behaved) and my F3 Savannah (he broke over 15K in antiques and God knows in household items, while I was continually "cat proofing" my home ) where so loving.

Going from our tabby that really didn't like being held to these two who are very happy to lay on you and watch TV is a nice change.

That isn't really normal. I mean unless they are physically tired. Then yes, they will seek you out to "lay with". Otherwise, most hybrid kittens are go go. My pure Leptailurus serval, got used to being restrained as did my F3 Savannah, but neither liked it,  however they both would accept it. My F1 Bengal, could only be restrained by me.

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No worries, it was just great to see picture's. Pleas stop banging you head into the wall !

OMG, I take back what I said about the Savannah/Coon cross, what a beautiful cat.

The F10..Yeah, that one has issues.

That isn't really normal. I mean unless they are physically tired. Then yes, they will seek you out to "lay with". Otherwise, most hybrid kittens are go go. My pure Leptailurus serval, got used to being restrained as did my F3 Savannah, but neither liked it,  however they both would accept it. My F1 Bengal, could only be restrained by me.

At this point in time, my wife has been spending the evenings with them while I am at work, so by the time I get home it is just about nap time for them, trust me, give it an hour and they are off to the races again.

Yea, the exotic cat hybrids are wicked smart

jetwet1 said:

Anyways, another day, they did discover the washing machine last night, this kept them amused for 30 minutes, then they discovered that if they run at full speed, jump and land on the dining room table, they can butt slide across the thing and drop down the other side.....That actually sounds like fun to me as well.

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LOL ! you need to get that on You Tube!

Maybe try some clicker training and set up a Cat Agility run. There is a kid who has some fun videos online of his moggies doing like hurdles. Very fun! I bet your duo would enjoy that.

@ Cat Person.
Unlike that cat in the shelter that we commented on, in which I saw both Bengal and Savannah, I honestly am not seeing it in these beautiful kittens any more than you are. \ Which was partly why I was curious to see the parents.
( and if the dad is supposedly a foundation generation Bengal, that would be most unusual if he is fertile. So i wonder about your idea of some other tom being the father. )

I didn't mean I saw spots in the ticking. just that Jetwet had mentioned light spots. I myself did not see spots on the sides / back in that photo of him lying on his back on the knitted blanket. Spots on the belly don't count as far as determining which type of tabby pattern a cat has , because tabbies of each kind of pattern can have spots on the belly especially as kittens. )

In that photo , this kitten looks obviously ticked tabby. Heterozygous ticked. ( = one copy of ticked tabby gene) because of the very apparent stripes on the legs.

Now in the other photo of the 2 of them on the move, hmmm ... hard to see but in that one I can at least see the possibiity there may be something else going on . that the pattern is not as entirely broken up as it appeared.

I have never seen a ticked tabby Savannah or Bengal. But of course especially in the early generations it would depend what cats they were bred with. If bred with a ticked tabby domestic there is a strong chance of some ticked tabby kittens.

A ticked tabby pattern is certainly seen in Jungle Cats (Felis chaus) and the Felis chaus x domestic hybrid breed , the Chausie. so it's possible could be some of that. but I am not otherwise seeing signs of that.

Anyway , the ticking also could be from a ticked tabby of domestic breeds ....or "moggies" like this cat :
When I mentioned "marble" , I guess maybe I tried to be less long-winded than usual , and ended up being confusing.
I was talking about the Classic Tabby pattern. and I didn't know if the OP was familiar with that term so I said "marble in Bengals." The Bengals' marble pattern is from the same major gene as what's called the Classic Tabby ( or Blotched Tabby) pattern in domestics, which originated in Northern European domestic cats.
So I just meant "classic tabby" in domestics is similar to what's called "marble" in Bengals.

The marble pattern is not original to the ALC. It came from crosses to domestics with the Classic Tabby gene and without the spotted tabby gene.
But in the marble Bengals they breed for a more horizontally and/ or diagonally flowing pattern, they breed away from the bull's eye that is often seen in domestic classic tabbies. and for the same sort of third color to the pattern as in the rosettes of the Spotted Tabbies.

I do think this pattern looks more domestic . but yet it is a bit more stretched out than many domestic classic tabbies.

Anyway, they're still very young and will be interesting to see them grow! They are sure handsome kittens.

Thanks again for your replies,

I'm still waiting for pictures of the parents, so who knows...

Until we can get further into that mystery.....

Darn you Catperson, I am in love with the Savannah/Coon, my wife saw it's picture on my facebook page and made it pretty clear that that would be over her dead body...

In kitten news, we have decided that the Lynx name just isn't working, for some reason I have a mental block on it (which must mean I don't like it, but said yes to the wife to get some peace and quiet) and the wife has decided she doesn't like it.

As "Get your butt out of there" doesn't really work, Lynx is now Lexie, let's hope she who thinks she must be obeyed can stick with that name.

I came home this morning to find the kittens on a recliner and Sassy the tabby sitting on her chair, no hissing, no growling, at this point I think she has chosen to ignore them.
 

Cat Person,

Yes I do think they look larger than most 8 week old DSHs.

Re the ticked tabby cat whose photo I posted, I must admit I do not know the ancestry of that cat. I got the photo from a rescue site. To me does not look just like the SBT Chausies I have seen. The ticking doesnt look so even as they usually do for example.
but yeah I do see some resemblance and if someone told me the cat had some JC I wouldn't say that is impossible!

Update :

Well it's been a couple of days, first the human side.... The original owner has not gotten back to me with pictures of the parents...However I spoke to her son (who does not live with her) and he said she is at her mothers house caring for her...

The cat side..

Not a whole lot of change, they are still insane, they have become more curious, last night I found them asleep on top of a bookshelf, which is 5 1/2 ft high.

I am going to start keeping a record of their size growth on here, Kopi is starting to show his boy side, there is a difference in size that is becoming apparent.

All in all though, they are two fun kittens.