Advice needed for a difficult orphaned kitten rescue situation

deborahlee

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Hi all. 

I'm not sure what I should do in this situation, and would appreciate any advice or opinions you can offer.  Sorry for the length but it's a bit complicated.

I am a foster home for a local no-kill rescue.  Last week I agreed to foster and raise five 4-5 day old kittens left in a dumpster.  When they were brought here, it turned out there were 8, not 5.  We had an idea -- go to animal control and see if they had a lactating cat who had lost her own kittens, or one that had maybe 1 or 2 kittens.  We hoped she would accept the kittens as her own, and I could supplement feeding and toileting them.  And she would be saved from being euthanized along with any kitten she might have.

We found one who had only one kitten, and she accepted the kittens immediately.  But I also noticed she wasn't breathing well, and we took her to the vet.  Turned out she needed surgery, so now I had the 8 kittens plus her one, a total of 9.

Since she'll be out of commission for at least a week, probably more, I was resigned to hand-raising all 9, a daunting task.  But then the rescue found a 2nd mother at animal control, also with only one kitten, this time a healthy one.  They brought her over, and she also, thankfully, accepted the kittens.  She was an owner surrender, so not feral, and seemed very sweet and nice.  She let me handle the kittens, and seemed to like being pet and scratched and seemed fine.

The plan was for me to feed them and stimulate them twice a day, and she'd take care of the rest. 

Although I have other cats, she was put in a room in the back by herself in a box in the corner, but after I fed them the first time, she hid all the kittens under the sofa I had in the room.  I needed to have better access to them, so I turned the sofa on the side, put it against the wall, put a little playpen in the space between the sofa & wall with the box inside, and left it open so Mom could go in and out for rest, litter box, food, etc.  I covered it all with a dark blanket.

It seemed to work.  But last night I began to notice that even with me helping, she is already terribly red and sore and even growled sometimes when they nursed.  And this morning I accidentally left my closet open and she hid the kittens in there,  I had to replace them all back into their little cave, and although she didn't seem thrilled, and tried to return them to the closet as I brought them to the cave, by the time I got them all in there, she went to nurse them in the cave.  

While I was doing this I tried to distract her with food.  I put down a bowl with ham and turkey baby food and she almost inhaled it (figured she could use the extra nutrition as well).  I, and a friend who was helping then began to feed the kittens.  She was okay with that too, coming up to me and my friend, checking out the babies we were holding, but was purring and responding to us petting her and showing her we were just feeding them. 

As we were leaving the room, I asked my friend to pick up her regular food bowl for me, as I was going to bring her fresh food. She suddenly went beserk, attacking my friend.  I yelled at her to run out of the room, which she did, and the cat turned on me.  I got out.  My friend is okay (she just got her sneakers) I have a few scratches on my leg. 

Not a biggie ... I've been dealing with cats a long time and expect sometimes to have problems and a few scratches.  But I'm concerned about that kind of food aggression.

Especially since she had not shown any sign of it up until now and I've changed her bowl a few times.  I'm also concerned about her not allowing me to put anything on her nipples that might help her feel better or being able to give her any medication if the vet wants to give her antibiotics.

So, my question is, any advice on this whole situation that would make it all better on everyone and allow me to do the best for me, for Momma and kittens alike?  I am disabled and my physical ability is a bit limited.

One thought I had was taking away a few of the largest strongest kittens (including the one from the cat who is recuperating) and hand raising them in another room, leaving Mom to nurse the remainder without me having to supplement and therefore allowing her to calm down and not feel threatened.  Do you think that might be a good idea?

If so, how many kittens would you leave with Momma that she could handle reasonably on her own?

I could possibly, by next week, even be able to give a few to the recuperating Momma (with the vet's okay, of course), if she would accept them.  If not, I'd just keep on taking care of them myself.

Right now all the kittens have just opened their eyes, so they are all in the range of about 10-15 days old, approximately.

Or is there another approach I could take?

What do you think?  I sure could use some suggestions.

I could also use some pity.  In the rest of the house I have 4 other foster adult cats, 2 foster kittens about 10 weeks old (who will be spayed & up for adoption within a couple of weeks), and my own 5 cats.   

So yes, pity would help too.  LOL
 

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You don't need pity - you need to be worshipped!  You are a goddess!

I would take all but the smallest four or five from mommy cat.  She should be able to handle that on her own.  It does sound like she's a bit stressed.  Can you bottle feed the others OK, at least until the other mommy is available?

If not, you may need to ask the shelter for help.  Even if its someone coming in to help during the day, that would make a difference.

I would also keep checking with the shelter to see if there's another nursing mom who can maybe help, too.

Again - you rock!
 

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I can only give pity and praise, since I, myself, am new to the kitty world...but brava for your hard work!!  I'm only dealing w/ 3, so I can't imagine all you're dealing with!
 

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My cat handled 6 with no problem.  But 9, that's asking a lot.  I'd take 3 from her, and keep looking for another foster mom to help out.  I'd rather have 2 nursing moms than 1 nursing mom plus hand feeding kittens any day of the week.
 

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God bless you! A couple of months ago I had 17 orphans (one group of preemies) feeding from the bottle all at once and did the same thing by taking in a mom and baby. Unfortunately the mother had dried up and her baby was very ill so it just added to the burden and I ended up having to bottle feed everyone including the extra baby until weaning :-/ I thought I was going to go crazy, I was not getting ANY sleep at all.

If it were me I would definitely take some away from that mom since she sounds stressed and is in a new place and probably just getting overwhelmed. As you mentioned leave the weakest with her, that's a great idea (I would leave five or six with her). Then hopefully you will be able to bottle feed and hand-rear the others until the other mother recuperates? At least if the babies can go back with her in a week or so she can help with cleaning/stimulating them for you.

Since it IS a lot to do, maybe someone else with the rescue can take in another lactating mom and take some of the babies off your hands and stick them with her? I know that when I was in the similar situation I had no such luck, but I can only hope that you will.

Don't spread yourself too thin- it's not good for you or for the babies if you are too overwhelmed and if you think you can get help and need it ask for it. You are already doing SO much and even if someone could just help during the bottle feeding stage it would lessen your burden by a lot I would think. 

Thanks for helping all of these babies, wishing you the best of luck, I wish I could do more to help
 

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I have nothing to add save a few tears.

Sending pities, worships, and *vibes*

Good luck!

Welcome to our Forums!

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And yes, I can read, you have not only saved 8+1+1 kittens, you have also saved the two moms who were already doomed to the gas chamber.

Mom nr 1 will be prob dry out when she comes back, so no help with nursing milk there, but hopefully she can help you anyway with the kittens.  If she was ready to immediately accept 8 foreign kittens, although herself not well, she is surely a good mom, your alike.
 
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PS.  Cant someone of your foster adult cats, or someone of your residents be a foster mom /dad?

Sometimes you are lucky, and someone can and want...

IF you adopt the mom nr 1, she probably may be such a foster mom, as she seems to have a big mom heart, but you have perhaps already one in home??

Just one word of caution:  You should be fairly sure the kittens are healthy, before you let your resident or fosterling help them.  You dont want to get contagion into your house.

So many rescuers do bottle such uncertain kittens themselves, EVEN if they do have a friendly queen who would be willing to adopt a couple of extra kittens.
 
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