My kitty Kiki has feline herpes and pseudomonas ( finally got rid of bordatella). She is 3 years old and has been sick for about 3 months. On 2 different antibiotics and famciclovir (for herpes virus) some Lysene goop. They've tried 5 different antibiotics now. I stopped the clemastine (walhist or Tavist). I may start over-the-counter nose drops (little noses per the vet recommendation) although I am certain they won't go over well with her. She's been to internal medicine specialist. She's had nasal flush which helped for about 10 days, and biopsies which show some permanent damage but not all permanent damage. I try putting her in bathroom with humidifier to loosen the congestion but am not sure if it helps much. She still eats and drinks. I can only keep her somewhat stress free as she hates the meds and is terrified of thunder (now daily occurrence here in Orlando). My question is if anyone has stopped treatment and had to put their kitty down. I can't stand doing all this too her and she is not getting rid of the psueudamonas. It simply kills me to watch her suffer. She was sick when I brought her home from the shelter as a kitten and didn't have a normal temperature until she was over 2 years old. She had feline bartonella when she was young which we zapped with steroids. She is on hypoallergenic cat food because anything in the way of normal food or treats gives her granulomas. It has just been one thing or another for her since birth. Am I being fair to her?????
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Psueudamonas
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Is she on the antibiotics for the herpes virus? Antibiotics don't kill viruses. Antibiotics are for bacteria. Maybe she is getting too much of them and her natural bacteria are being killed.
Welcome to TCS. Please give us more information. Make a list. Put down each medication she is taking and for what, and how long she has been taking it.
Welcome to TCS. Please give us more information. Make a list. Put down each medication she is taking and for what, and how long she has been taking it.
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She is on famciclovir and lysene to help boost her immune system due to the viral herpes
She is on antibiotics to get rid of the bacterial infection (pseudamonas). Right now she is on azythromycin every other day and marbofloxacin daily. she has had baytril, clavamox, clindamycin (bad diarrhea side effects) and doxycycline (for bordatella). They have done 2 biopsies, ct scan, nasal flush, respiratory panel and several cultures. I don't really have any questions about the antibiotics...the internal medicine specialists are trying all they can. What I want to understand is prognosis. They tell me "fair" but I don't know what that means. I have read that some have had cats on meds for up to a year and still have pseudamonas. She has some permanent damage, and since she is now getting worse not better I anticipate more permanent damage to her nasal areas. Can pseudamonas kill her? Do I take her off of the meds and put her down when she will no longer eat or drink? Right now she eats and drinks but is miserable. She seems to have very little strength to her immune system and with the herpes no chance for it to get much better. Thanks for listening.
She is on antibiotics to get rid of the bacterial infection (pseudamonas). Right now she is on azythromycin every other day and marbofloxacin daily. she has had baytril, clavamox, clindamycin (bad diarrhea side effects) and doxycycline (for bordatella). They have done 2 biopsies, ct scan, nasal flush, respiratory panel and several cultures. I don't really have any questions about the antibiotics...the internal medicine specialists are trying all they can. What I want to understand is prognosis. They tell me "fair" but I don't know what that means. I have read that some have had cats on meds for up to a year and still have pseudamonas. She has some permanent damage, and since she is now getting worse not better I anticipate more permanent damage to her nasal areas. Can pseudamonas kill her? Do I take her off of the meds and put her down when she will no longer eat or drink? Right now she eats and drinks but is miserable. She seems to have very little strength to her immune system and with the herpes no chance for it to get much better. Thanks for listening.
How much lysine is she getting and what kind? The lysine does not boost the immune system. It replaces an amino acid that the herpes virus needs to replicate, resulting in fewer viruses in her body.
i am not a vet or have any training, so I don't know what the vet means by 'fair' condition.
As for your other question, only you can determine her quality of life and make any decisions about her.
i am not a vet or have any training, so I don't know what the vet means by 'fair' condition.
As for your other question, only you can determine her quality of life and make any decisions about her.
Have they tried her on steroids for the inflammation in her lungs/nasal passages since she's been diagnosed with the pseudomonas? I read that steroids sometimes help. Cortisone, to be specific. Also, have you heard of Transfer Factor for boosting her immune system, along with the L-Lysine and the famciclovir? Here's a thread on it: http://www.thecatsite.com/t/49143/what-is-transfer-factor
As far as long term prognosis, I think you need to press your Vet about that...ask what they mean by "fair", and in what context?
I, personally, take it as a good sign that she still eats well.
that she can kick this thing!
As far as long term prognosis, I think you need to press your Vet about that...ask what they mean by "fair", and in what context?
I, personally, take it as a good sign that she still eats well.
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They are hesitant to prescribe steroids. They told me it hinders ability to off the bacterial infection...could make it worse. Thanks for the suggestion though...I'll ask them again. The only reasons they are keeping her on the axythromycin is because it has some anti inflammatory effect.
Yes, i read that the azythromycin was good too, as an anti-inflammatory. But the article I read mentioned using both together, along with the other antibiotic you are using. Since you didn't want to discuss the antibiotics, I didn't mention that
I had a kitty who had psuedomonas several years ago and she also has herpes. My vet did a culture and sensitivity test to see exactly what kind of infection she had and which med would most effectively treat it. The culture showed pseudomonas and the sensitivity test showed that Zenequin would treat it. It took us two 30-day rounds of Zenequin, with another culture and sensitivity test in the middle, to get the infection down to the high side of normal. I would ask the vet to do a C&S test on your kitty to see exactly what you're dealing with and if the current meds are the best med for the treatment, especially if the vet hasn't done one previously.
For the herpes, I'd add lysine, 1000mg a day (500mg twice daily) to her diet. For lysine to work, it needs to constantly be in the body. Your kitty will eliminate it throughout the day, so that's why you need to give doses twice daily. Also, work to switch to a grain-free diet and boost her nutrition. The best thing to fight herpes is a good immune system, or as good as it can be for a kitty with a compromised immune system to begin with. Avoid steroids as they will just aggravate the herpes and will cause a flare up since steroids suppress the immune system. Lastly, work to keep the stress in your home and in her environment down to a minimum. Keep your routine the same, as much as possible. You might want to try running a Feliway diffuser to help her stress level decrease. Stress is probably the biggest aggravation to herpes flare ups. There are also some other calming agents you can try such as Spirit Essences (a Jaxson Galaxy company) or Rescue Remedy.
The most effective things we've done for our kitty were changing to grain-free diet, running feliway 24/7, and doing the culture & sensitivity test. Please note that pseudomonas is a naturally occurring bacteria in humans and animals, so there will always be pseudomonas, but when it gets too high, that's when the problems start.
For the herpes, I'd add lysine, 1000mg a day (500mg twice daily) to her diet. For lysine to work, it needs to constantly be in the body. Your kitty will eliminate it throughout the day, so that's why you need to give doses twice daily. Also, work to switch to a grain-free diet and boost her nutrition. The best thing to fight herpes is a good immune system, or as good as it can be for a kitty with a compromised immune system to begin with. Avoid steroids as they will just aggravate the herpes and will cause a flare up since steroids suppress the immune system. Lastly, work to keep the stress in your home and in her environment down to a minimum. Keep your routine the same, as much as possible. You might want to try running a Feliway diffuser to help her stress level decrease. Stress is probably the biggest aggravation to herpes flare ups. There are also some other calming agents you can try such as Spirit Essences (a Jaxson Galaxy company) or Rescue Remedy.
The most effective things we've done for our kitty were changing to grain-free diet, running feliway 24/7, and doing the culture & sensitivity test. Please note that pseudomonas is a naturally occurring bacteria in humans and animals, so there will always be pseudomonas, but when it gets too high, that's when the problems start.
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My cat recently had Pseudomonas as well and after the culture and sensitivity test it was found that Zeniquin would be best at 3/4 pill once daily. After 30 days of this, prayer, steaming up the bathroom, and colloidal silver drops into the nose only once a day there is no more Pseudomonas. I would also recommend a pro biotic for the stomach as this is a harsh medicine and have been reading about Transfer Factor lately and would recommend that too.
