Caloric Intake Recommendations

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Hi everyone. Sorry to bother you all with another annoying nutrition question. As some of you have probably read in my prior posts, I recently adopted a large tabby from the shelter named Monstro (I have since decided to change his name to Winston ... much less fat sounding). He is 25 pounds and needs some help getting back down to a healthy weight.

I have been working with our veterinarian to determine how much is the appropriate amount to be feeding him for healthy weight loss but after posting about it here, it raised some concerns from members that I am actually under feeding him. Which is not at all my intention. I know that you don't starve a cat into weight loss... I was just going on the recommendation of my vet.

So, my veterinarian had recommended that Winston be fed 3 oz. of wet food in the morning and 3 oz. in the evening. He had also said that between 190 and 200 calories for a cat of his size and (lack of) activity level seemed appropriate. This was what raised some red flags with other posters. So I had also consulted with Winston's ophthalmologist who is personally fostering a little fatty of her own. She had said that she wouldn't feed more than 230 calories and even that may be too much.

I have also been doing a lot of reading at the recommendation of fellow forum members and I was told the healthy amount of calories for a cat is 20 calories for every pound of his ideal weight (which the vet said would be in the high teens ... Winston is naturally a BIG kitty). This would be about 360 calories a day though, and that just seems like a lot!

Winston is currently eating a variety of different wet foods. I feed him 2 oz of Fancy Feast Chunky Chicken in the morning and evening. In the mid afternoon he gets 3 oz of either Tiki Cat Koolina Luau or Soulistic Chicken and Tilapia. He also gets about 1 oz. of raw chicken throughout the day as "treats" (he's on a medication for an ulcer in his eye and the only way he'll take it is if it's hidden in food).

So he's currently eating between 210 and 220 calories per day. He doesn't act  hungry but I don't want to run the risk of starving him or causing him to lose weight too quickly. Adding to the weight loss issue is that I really don't know what he was eating before I adopted him that had made him so fat. The shelter had been feeding him 3 oz. of wet every morning and evening and he had lost 2 pounds over the course of a month and a half at the shelter. Prior to the shelter, the theory is that he was probably being fed table scraps.

I just invested in a baby scale and I'm going to weight him a couple of times each week to make sure that he's not losing too fast and I'll certainly adjust his caloric intake from there. However, I was hoping that you all might be able to weigh in on this. Am I starving him? Is the vets recommendation accurate or should I going with the 20 calories per pound rule that I have been reading about?
 
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So, my veterinarian had recommended that Winston be fed 3 oz. of wet food in the morning and 3 oz. in the evening. He had also said that between 190 and 200 calories for a cat of his size and (lack of) activity level seemed appropriate. This was what raised some red flags with other posters. So I had also consulted with Winston's ophthalmologist who is personally fostering a little fatty of her own. She had said that she wouldn't feed more than 230 calories and even that may be too much.
 
I have also been doing a lot of reading at the recommendation of fellow forum members and I was told the healthy amount of calories for a cat is 20 calories for every pound of his ideal weight (which the vet said would be in the high teens ... Winston is naturally a BIG kitty). This would be about 360 calories a day though, and that just seems like a lot!
There is no simple formula for determining how many calories a cat needs. I agree that 360 calories seems like too much.

If he doesn't act like he's always hungry he probably isn't. In my experience cats aren't shy about telling us when they are hungry. 

The baby scale is the best tool you can have. As long as he doesn't lose more than 1-2% of his current weight in a week and he seems to be comfortable, you're doing just fine.
 
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Has anyone directed you to Dr. Pierson's site regarding feline obesity?  Here's the link:  http://www.catinfo.org/?link=felineobesity

In it she goes through all the steps for safe weight loss.  She discusses food, quantities, and even journals her experience with a couple of her rescue cats.  It might give you ideas and comfort for Winston's weight loss program. 

There are also a couple threads on this website where people chronicle their cat's weight loss.  Mschauer has one for Mickey, Carolina has one for Mugsy.  They may give you some insight as well. 

There is no specific food amount that is best for a cat.  My 9 pound girl eats about 6 ounces raw (a huge amount compared to what others feed), but she is quite svelte.  It's all in the metabolism. 
 

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 I want to second the recommendation of Dr. Pierson's article on feline obesity ( but start with the main article Feeding Your Cat, since that also goes into the basics  including issues of how much to feed for safe weight loss.     I would start by using the formula on there,  and then monitor his weight 

 closely  try to keep weight loss around 1 -2%  of body weight per week as mschauer ( and Dr P.) suggest,  and adjust the amounts as needed. 

  I agree there is no one number of calories right for all cats.  There are so many factors,  age, current weight, activity level, hormones and metabolism.   But 360  would be too much for just about all  adult , non pregnant/ lactating cats -- well,   maybe a very large unaltered tom who spends a lot of time running.

  Many ( probably most)  altered cats do well with under 200 calories a day.  in many cases they don't need more than about 150.    Your cat  certainly might need more than that,  but 220 seems a lot more likely than 360

 Maybe that formula does not work as well at the extreme ends of size?    It works out well for my active 9 pound cats,  but  I am doubtful that an 18 pound neutered cat really needs TWICE as much food especially if less active

You definitely want to make sure the protein is enough, so I would try for foods that are higher in protein and lower in fat ( and low carb).     there is also a chart on that site with nutrient info for many foods.   
 
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You definitely want to make sure the protein is enough, so I would try for foods that are higher in protein and lower in fat ( and low carb).     there is also a chart on that site with nutrient info for many foods.   
I have spent a lot of time with that food chart! I know it well! We're good friends now.


Even the Fancy Feast that Winston eats is > 50% Protein < 40% Fat and <10% Carbs. In addition to the Fancy Feast he eats other high protein/low fat/low carb foods like Tiki Cat and Soulistic. I'm also trying Natural Balance with him for the first time this week this way he has a his staples food in the morning and evening (the Fancy Feast) and then a nice, high quality food in the afternoon ... and raw chicken as a snack.
Has anyone directed you to Dr. Pierson's site regarding feline obesity?  Here's the link:  http://www.catinfo.org/?link=felineobesity

In it she goes through all the steps for safe weight loss.  She discusses food, quantities, and even journals her experience with a couple of her rescue cats.  It might give you ideas and comfort for Winston's weight loss program. 

There are also a couple threads on this website where people chronicle their cat's weight loss.  Mschauer has one for Mickey, Carolina has one for Mugsy.  They may give you some insight as well. 

There is no specific food amount that is best for a cat.  My 9 pound girl eats about 6 ounces raw (a huge amount compared to what others feed), but she is quite svelte.  It's all in the metabolism. 
Yes, thank you. That website and the weight loss threads on the forum have been very helpful. I really thought that I was on the right track with Winston's weight loss and then a couple of people mentioned that his daily caloric intake was much too low for his size. I just wanted to be sure that my weight loss plan for him didn't seem completely out in left field.

I've stared keeping a spreadsheet to document his weight loss to make sure that this diet isn't too dramatic and I am definitely prepared to adjust it as necessary. Mickey's weight loss chart has been especially helpful when making my own and it's been comforting to read through his thread because he similar to my Winston in many ways. Winston's idea of "play" is laying on his back and smacking at things ... not a whole lot of physical activity which was another reason that I was so hesitant to start feeding him 360 calories a day.

I know that there is no set calorie intake for cats. My other cat Artemis is only 5 pounds and she inhales between 200 and 300 calories a day because she's just a ball of energy (she literally climbs the curtains and walls) and she hasn't gained a pound in over a year! By the 20 calories per pound formula ... she should only eat about 100 calories per day but that's not nearly enough for her.

Thank you all for the feedback... I just wanted some outside opinions to see if Winston's diet seemed appropriate for a 25 pound, very inactive cat. Some of the other feedback to his diet plan had me very worried that I totally off course.
 
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