First Litter for her and me

tammylyn66

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Hello all, I need some advice here. I have a 9 month old kitten who has become pregnant by her brother. This was not intentional as we did and still do want to get our cats all fixed.

Midnight who is our prego cat, has been sleeping on my side of the bed none stop every night for about 2 weeks now. I have tried making nesting boxes in a couple of places in our house, and with different things in them. She will hop in them for maybe 2-3 minutes and jump back out of them. I even have one in our bedroom that I have under a vanity with blankets over it so it is dark for her. She will not stay in them, she prefers my side of the bed. In the boxes I have tried using towels, blankets, old sheets and even ripped up newspaper. She just won't stay in any of them. Could it be to soon for her to choose yet, or am I going to be stuck with her having them on my bed?

As for how far is she, she looks like a miniature basketball. Her stomach feels somewhat hard, and I have been feeling the babies moving around for a little over a week now. She follows me everywhere, sleeps on my desk or on top a cabinet in my office when I am in here. When she is tired of being upstairs, she will get restless and start pacing the house until I let her downstairs. Then she looks at me like are you coming with me. Most of the time I do, that's when I will just lay on the bed, pet her a bit and then do some reading.

What I find strange and I don't recall seeing anyone else mention this is she has this habit of stretching out on her back, and she lays on her side all the time. That part I know most pregnant cats will do because of how big they get. She does clean herself quite a bit, she is still eating and drinking, but not like she normally does.

Also because both her and her brother are both mainly black will that mean her kittens will be too. My husband thinks they will be. Their own parents were dark too, the father who is a tomcat in our area is a big black cat and their mom I think was either a Grey tiger striped or Grey calico like. She is no longer around here, our friend took her to his daughters in New York.

So any advice on what I could be doing right or wrong here, I just want to make sure she is as comfortable as possible.


This is Midnight laying on one of the cabinets in my office


This is her laying on my desk


And this is the brother who was in on the act to get her pregnant.

She looks bigger in person, the phone I have takes crappy pictures.

Hopefully someone could help me, and yes please know they will be getting fixed within the next month. Along with declawing since they are inside cats and they do use their claws to play.
 

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 Along with declawing since they are inside cats and they do use their claws to play.
Please do NOT declaw your cats. You've already caused them a great disservice by allowing them to mate and have kittens.... it would be a further tragedy to mutilate them as well. I beg you to research this barbaric practice and find out why it's banned in numerous, much more enlightened, countries around the world.  http://www.pawproject.org/faqs/
 

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Please do NOT declaw your cats. You've already caused them a great disservice by allowing them to mate and have kittens.... it would be a further tragedy to mutilate them as well. I beg you to research this barbaric practice and find out why it's banned in numerous, much more enlightened, countries around the world.  http://www.pawproject.org/faqs/
I agree! Please do not declaw any of your cats.

All they need is to be neutered ASAP. And your money will be far better spent raising and vaccinating the kittens so they will have a chance of being rehomed.

Please please do not declaw.

Oh and as far as I know, pregnant cats like to chose they're place of birth closer to the date of birth. Some people have said that they're cats have "gone missing" and when they've found them they've already started labor. But that's just what I've heard.
 
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Please do NOT declaw your cats. You've already caused them a great disservice by allowing them to mate and have kittens.... it would be a further tragedy to mutilate them as well. I beg you to research this barbaric practice and find out why it's banned in numerous, much more enlightened, countries around the world.  http://www.pawproject.org/faqs/
I do agree 100%.  Whatever you do, dont declaw.  Trim the nails, get them several scratching posts. If you still feel you do have problems, you can use the "Soft claws" (google on it if you wish).  There are a couple of different brand names, "soft paws" is used too, I think.

Im not convinced these are animal-friendly, but still - 1000x better than declawing.

Good luck!

Ps. I agree with Melhammouche. They tend to pick their nest in the last moments. They try to look out where the possible nests are, but pick up them very late.  Which in nature is the very smart.  The risk of attracting predators is lesser.   And in nature they of course do move the nest now and then, by precisely the same reason.  Among others, they dont want the nest to become smelly.

So if you use the same nest, change the bedding frequently, preferably every day, or even more often if need be.
 
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Have the male fixed first, preferably before the kittens get here. She can get pregnant right away after giving birth, and another litter of inbred kittens would really be a shame. I hope the kittens don't have any genetic defects from the inbreeding. . .it usually takes a few generations before you see really awful effects but you don't know what their ancestors were up to so it's a gamble.

The kittens will probably all be black, being that there's not a lot of genetic diversity involved. But there could be a few tabbies, it depends on what genes they carry. Possibly even a pointed one if there was a pointed cat in their heritage somewhere. But definitely no orange or tortie babies! They'll all be dark, with varying amounts of white.

I agree that de-clawing should not be an option. . .it really should be illegal everywhere, it's so inhumane, but sadly money comes first in the US :/. Check out the links in my signature for suggestions on how to live peacefully with claws.

And, yes, the money you might have spent on having their toes cut off would be better spent on having the babies fixed before adoption so that they don't add to the population crisis. Especially since they'll already be inbred, if they end up making babies with a close relative it could really turn out bad :(.
 
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wow everyone thanks for the good advice.

I am choked up in regards to the declawing, I never knew that much about it as to where it would be such a painful thing to the cat. See we had a couple other cats over the years and the vet I use to go to didn't really explain to me about what all was involved and I never really looked it up. I just knew that everything in my house would be safe from their claws. Thanks to the advice you have given me and the links to some websites about declawing I have a totally different outlook on it now. God what have I done to my other cats...may they now RIP.  I feel like a complete monster now...how could I have been so mean :(  

I have heard of the soft claws and I thought they came out with them just so people could not only get the cats to stop clawing people, but for a fashion statement too. I have been trimming their claws down when they do get to long I just get nervous about where to stop. I know you can accidental clip them to far back and they will bleed and that's something I do not want to happen, they do use scratching posts in our house. They love the two that my husband has made.

Please I ask for your forgiveness as for thinking of declawing the cats, I did not know what extent it was and how painful it would be to the cats. They are my babies and I don't want to cause them anymore pain then I already have.

Just called my vet to find out the prices to have the cats get their shots, blood work and fixed. Now to just put the money away each week to do it. Gosh my older cat is the most expensive one. I will have the male done first then.

Thank you again for all your great advice and for steering me in the right direction as for their poor paws.
 

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Congratulations on your decision to not declaw 


And try not to feel badly about the past - we don't know the things we don't know, until we do. LOL, that makes sense to me 


Like you, l live in an unenlightened country regarding declawing. ln fact, when l called to have my youngest cat neutered, the receptionist asked if l would like to have him declawed at the same time, as if it just a routine thing to maim a cat!! l shrieked no, l would not!!

Welcome to our little community here at TCS. There are many supportive people here who will help you through your cat's pregnancy and neutering.
 

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Yay for not declawing!!! I'm so glad you looked into it a bit more and changed your mind. Sorry if we sometimes come across harshly when this topic comes up....and it's not YOU that should be asking for forgiveness, but all the vets out there who know perfectly well what a declaw involves and yet continue to provide and promote the procedure to their clients. Pure greed. They're the ones that should be ashamed......you were just doing what you thought best at the time with the info you had.
 
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Thank you again for your advice, you all have made me feel so welcomed here and I do understand about you being harsh at some of the members.

As for the blood work, since this will be the first time the 9 month olds are going they want to do A CBC and Comprehensive Chemistry on them. All that plus their shots will be under 120 dollars for Gizmo, and under a hundred for Midnight. They said that Midnight wouldn't need the one test and I am not sure why. I will ask when I do finally take them in. As for having Gizmo neutered it will be about 130 dollars, I am not sure if I understood the vet right when she said 195 dollars for Midnight to be spayed. I know she did say Charity will be 240 dollars because of her age and that includes her blood work.

So to sum this all up each cat will run a total of under 300 to 350 dollars. which is better then the last vet I had. He charged me almost 400 dollars on one cat to have blood work and to be neutered. And that was about 18 years ago. Damn rip off. Glad I know longer go to him, he was the one who declawed my cats too. He said he even declawed his 16 year old cat. Poor thing, what a shame.

Midnight is still just laying around, once in a while she will get a playful spurt in her, but not to often. She can get a little feisty at times too. My husband finds out the hard way...hehe. He can be petting her and all the sudden she will swipe at him or bite, not hard though just enough to warn him to leave her alone.

I will keep you all informed on her and the kittens as the time comes, and if I have any questions I know I can come here, you people are just wonderful and I am glad I found this site. Have to thank Catsters for that one.
 
 
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Yes, as for my comment I was rather blunt but we don't even have the option to declaw in aus, that shows you how bad this operation is.

The thing that's really appalling isn't that you went through with it for your past cats. It's that the vet obviously gave you as little information as possible to make money off the pain of your animals :(

Hopefully your cat delivers a healthy litter and you can find homes for all her babies when the time comes.
 
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