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post #1 of 34
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Hi has anyone been using the syrup from dallas for stomatitis, we are half way through second bottle. Just wondering how long start see improvement?  Appreciate feedback.

post #2 of 34

I'm not familiar with this, but know we have some folks on this site with cats with stomatitis.  And have heard there are some specialists in the Dallas area who have made leaps and bounds re: stomatitis.  Is this a new treatsment?

 

Hopefully someone will come along soon and discuss with you, although I haven't read about anyone trying a syrup.  Interesting.  Maybe you can tell us a little more about this treatment

post #3 of 34
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yes its cocktail syrup for stomatitis, its been around few years.we are hoping it will help our baby kylie.

post #4 of 34
Do you mean the treatment by the late Dr Wiggs?I think Carolina was using that for Bugsy a few years back.
post #5 of 34
Yes I did use for Bugsy with excellent results - he might go back into it, actually.... His mouth is looking sore. Not too bad, but I can see a pretty red gum line I don't like.
It is hard to say "how long it took to make an effect". It is the second time I was asked this question..... It is hard to respond properly. Bugsy started the treatment by having a complete dental done specially for stomatitis AT the clinic (the Dallas clinic), and started taking the medicine immediately after the dental. The meds kept the inflammation from coming back after the dental. So it was pretty immediate I think dontknow.gif By the first 30 day check up his mouth was soooo much better! Then the meds just kept the inflammation at bay. The treatment was fantastic for Bugsy! I gave him capsules though, as he is much better to pill and he did not like that liquid AT ALL nono.gif
For some odd reason Bugsy accumulates a ridiculous amount of tartar, so he still had to have dentals once a year - and still does. He will have one soon and the dentist will decide if he will go back to the meds or not - he's been off meds for a while, since he's been on raw.
All things considered, he is doing great.
post #6 of 34
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Thanks caroline, kylie dosent like syrup dr wiggs at all we half way down second bottle. She had all teeth removed apart from thangs and had great 9 months. I have just ordered pill version be much better she dosent do well with liquid meds,kylie is twelve to picky try raw, she gets weruva grain free and loves it.

post #7 of 34
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yes thanks

post #8 of 34
Oh yes - the capsules are SO much better!!! Much easier to get all they need for sure!!!!! Good luck hun! wavey.gif
post #9 of 34
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Thanks carolina!

post #10 of 34

Hi Carolina, did Bugsy experience any side effects from the medication?  

 

Kelly from that Vet Dental clinic in Dallas you referred me to said that my cat has to be on it for the rest of her life, even if she shows improvement. She said that if I stop the meds during improvement that the stomatitis will come back raging! I'm glad Bugsy doesn't seem to be experiencing that. It's been almost 3 weeks that my cat has been on the liquid meds and there's been no improvement whatsoever. Yesterday afternoon she threw up bile and again this morning. Very unlike her, she pukes only a couple of times a year, so I can't help but wonder if it's the meds.

post #11 of 34
No, no side effects whatsoever. Bugsy might need to get treatment again, I will see on his next dental, but his mouth is looking a bit red to me and his vet. I am ok with it, he di very well.... You need to give it some time.... Be patient, but do call them about the vomiting on Tuesday when they are open.
Good luck hun wavey.gif
post #12 of 34

Bugsy was so fortunate that he didn't have any side effects from the meds and that it worked quickly for him!  How long ago was the last time you had to give him the meds?  And how much longer did you continue the meds after he started showing signs of improvement?

 

Yes, I will definitely call the clinic about the vomiting.

post #13 of 34
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Carolina I need youre advice I had kylie on capsules second bottle, she just wont eat in her food no more and I feel since she stopped her mouth has got bit worse. tried lot her fav fooda, think its that oramge colour try discussing it byt she to clever. wonder if its pet tinic she hates that stuff.  any feedback be so gratefull.

post #14 of 34
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Originally Posted by langholm View Post

Carolina I need youre advice I had kylie on capsules second bottle, she just wont eat in her food no more and I feel since she stopped her mouth has got bit worse. tried lot her fav fooda, think its that oramge colour try discussing it byt she to clever. wonder if its pet tinic she hates that stuff.  any feedback be so gratefull.
Bugsy never ate it in his food.... Which is why I got them to make it in capsules and I pilled him every morning - MUCH easier!
The capsules are no big at all, there is no taste, no mess, and that way he got every bit of it.

Hope that helps wavey.gif
post #15 of 34
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we had terrible time with her giving meds in mouth, she used to hide

post #16 of 34
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was wondering what is the orange colous , think that's what puts her off, but they wont tell me whats in it.you are so lucky youre cat let you pop in the mouth, kylie is stubborn Siamese.

post #17 of 34
langholm,
Bugsy too used to run from me.... What I did was I got myself a cat bag - it saved our relationship. Here is the link for a good one - there are others available too: The cat Sack.

Bottom line is this:
Stomatitis sucks.
This medication works though, which is why you are noticing her mouth worse without the meds. BUT it works if she takes the meds.
We just do what we have to do.... agree.gif

Today she runs from you, tomorrow she will get used to pilling. Trust me.
When Bugsy started not even the VET could pill him agree.gif Today I can pill him all day long any type of pill with no issues and he just sits there.

Something else: If you have any problems, any issues at all, it is important that you call Dallas Dental - THEY need to be informed and follow your treatment closely. They can help you more than anyone else. wavey.gif
post #18 of 34
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hi Carolina I did talk to Kelly at dallas vets, hoping maybe different flavor help. youre cat is great letting you pop meds that easy, wish so easy with kylie. I really wonder why the medicine is so orange colour. I made her chichen tonight she got pill down her. I bought her piece salmon for tomm try get one pill down her. she is so picky, she enjoys weruva all grain free chicke, tuna varieties.

post #19 of 34
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Originally Posted by langholm View Post

hi Carolina I did talk to Kelly at dallas vets, hoping maybe different flavor help. youre cat is great letting you pop meds that easy, wish so easy with kylie. I really wonder why the medicine is so orange colour. I made her chichen tonight she got pill down her. I bought her piece salmon for tomm try get one pill down her. she is so picky, she enjoys weruva all grain free chicke, tuna varieties.
Like I said - Bugsy was HORRIBLE to pill.
When I started to give him this meds I took him to the vet and 3 people tried to pill him - could NOT do it.
I started pilling him at home, and he got SO stressed, he would run from me 24x7. He took many meds a day due to his IBD, which was bad at the time as well.

It was then that I got the cat bag - I posted the link above.
It saved my relationship with Bugsy.

Bugsy is easy to pill TODAY. He was not in the beginning. He was a 21lb cat, strong, who hated pills with all his might.
Time , patience and a cat bag did it.

They do get used to it. It is all I can tell you.
Today - I can pill him anything, any pill anytime, without a bag, and he doesn't care the least bit. He just sits there. He got used to it and doesn't get stressed out. But this is today. When we started he was tough. Not at all an easy cat to pill.

If I did it, you can do it too.
post #20 of 34
Thread Starter 

thanks I gopt her take last night in chicken, I never give up on her 

post #21 of 34

What is this syrup? Does anyone know what exactly its made of?

I have a cat that was just diagnosed with stomatitis and I'm looking for anything that might help her. She's on predisolone right now but I know that steriods can have terrible side effects and I don't want to keep giving it to her. 

It sounds like this syrup is a good idea to try 

post #22 of 34

I did try this syrup from the Dallas vet dental clinic and it did NOT work at all for my cat. I was told it can take 45 days. On the 40th day I told the receptionist, Kelly, that there's been no improvement and she told me to increase the dosage by 20%. I did that for 5 days and had to stop because my cat started to lick her lips a lot, her tongue started to stick out a bit, and there was thick saliva around her lips. That receptionist has no business telling clients what to do with medications!!!! I'm so upset that it messed up my cat even more!!!!!!!!!!!!

post #23 of 34

Im am new to this forum ,so I hope this post will be on the Stomatitis forum. I am in the process of getting the Dallas Syrup.I have a rescue cat from under a trailer. I have had Ziggy now 2 months and have the diagnosis of stomatitis. I have tried the antibiotic way and it still comes back. He is barely eating. He did well on the antibiotics and gained weight and his fur has grown in fully. I was wondering if anyone has tried the Dallas Syrup and how there kittys have done on it? Im desperate for help. I tried to get him to a vet dental specialist as I was going to get his teeth pulled, but seeing he is semi feral he just would not get into the carrier. I have had luck getting his teeth cleaned and a biopsy done, hut I think he is scared to go in again.

post #24 of 34

Any more info on the Dallas Syrup?? I am going to try it on Ziggy next week.

post #25 of 34

Hi, I am going to try this on Ziggy next week and hope it works.

post #26 of 34
My 8 year old tabby cat Kimmie just started on the syrup day before yesterday.

The first dose, she threw up within 5 minutes.

I called the clinic the next day and Jim talked to me about splitting the dose out to two or three times a day and mixing it with canned food. Did that last night and today, and she is tolerating it well.

In just two days, her mouth doesn't smell as bad, and she has quit hiding under the bed. So I don't know if her mouth is better, or if one of the ingredients in the syrup is making her feel better systemically.

I'm hoping this will get us off the $116/bottle Atopica because it wasn't helping her mouth as much as the laser treatments were. We had gotten to the point where full mouth extraction had been discussed, and since she's only 8, I didn't want to go there just yet.

Will keep eye on this thread, and keep y'all posted.
post #27 of 34

I live in Frisco, TX not too far from where this clinic may be--I think. My almost 9 year old cat, Zander,  has been diagnosed with Feline Stomatitis and the group dedicated to this disease recommends looking into the syrup.
I'd like to learn more about this clinic since he's been seen by two vets for his dental issues. The first vet did some extractions but if they didn't address the problem suggested he see a specialist who turned out to have left his practice. The first vet did not have a dental x-ray machine, so I took Zander to another vet who does have a dental x-ray machine. He got a good look in his mouth and suggested that his gums and teeth and extra tissue would best be taken care of by a full mouth extraction. Seems that the dental vet now goes practice to practice, but I also found out that he charged a friend $4000+ to treat her cat and I know that this is not a guaranteed cure either.

Any feedback would really be appreciated.

Robin and Zander in Frisco, TX

post #28 of 34
I had to discontinue for now using the Dallas syrup, because you can't give it on an empty stomach, and so many days Kimmie was unable to eat. I've got her on a combination of meds i put together from drugs that have kinda worked on their own but work well together, and we're going on six weeks with no flare up.

I would definitely get as many opinions as possible before doing the extraction at that price. It may be reasonable in your geographic area, but it would be outrageous here.

The Dallas Clinic folks were really nice, and I'd don't think you'd go wrong by at least getting a consult with them.
post #29 of 34

Thanks so much for the info. I have read that it can make them sick to their stomach, so I have read that they recommend using something to make their stomach upset go away. They weren't specific, so perhaps if you contact the clinic they can recommend what you can give your special kitty. I can't believe how fortunate I am to have found this group and the first thing I'm told to do it look at the info on the Texas Syrup. I moved to Texas over 4 years ago.  Believe it or not that dental vet practice is less than an hour from my home! If the syrup doesn't work, well I somehow feel I'll be in good hands if they do recommend the extractions. AND thank you--I think the $4000 is way over the top. My friend who spent that type of money was desperate but didn't do the research I'm doing.

Well I'll keep everyone informed of what I find.

I'm so grateful to groups like this. I co-own Ragdoll Rescue USA and have had some suggestions from some of the members there, too, but no one knew of the Texas syrup. I truly believe there's a reason I've found out about the Feline Stomatitis group and the Dallas Syrup.

I hope your kitty continues to thrive on your regimen, too. Good job, MOM.

post #30 of 34
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Originally Posted by TigerGrrrl View Post

I had to discontinue for now using the Dallas syrup, because you can't give it on an empty stomach, and so many days Kimmie was unable to eat. I've got her on a combination of meds i put together from drugs that have kinda worked on their own but work well together, and we're going on six weeks with no flare up.

I would definitely get as many opinions as possible before doing the extraction at that price. It may be reasonable in your geographic area, but it would be outrageous here.

The Dallas Clinic folks were really nice, and I'd don't think you'd go wrong by at least getting a consult with them.
I think it varies from cat to cat.... Bugsy never had tummy issues with it..... and he is a heck of a sensitive cat with his IBD and all..... But..... dontknow.gif
I had them make capsules for me as it was easier for me to pill Bugsy than to give the liquid. Anyways - just wanted to put that out there....
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