I get it - I went through the same thing with Chicken and Bugsy :nod:
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Gingko Biloba is safety for cat?
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necica contacted me via PM about the omega 3s for her kitty with COPD. You'll all please note she lives in a rural area of Hungary, so access to foods and supplements is limited.
Necica has already tried salmon oil, but her kitty doesn't like it. I found that krill oil made a big difference in Flowerbelle's arthritis (who also has asthma and high blood pressure) over the salmon oil. I've never tried the green lipped mussel powder, but I understand it to be an excellent option, potentially better than krill. And the green lipped mussel oil is made FROM the powder, so the powder is less processed than the oil would be.
I looked at the ingredients, and was concerned about the amount of vitamin E. Now - theoretically we're supposed to up the vitamin E when giving omega 3s to cats, though studies published subsequent to the Nutrition Research Council's latest update indicate that the amount of E recommended per amount of omega 3 isn't as much as originally recommended.
Vitamin E is not a water soluble vitamin, thus the cause for concern. I did some research, and found this:
Here is a link to PetEducation.com, information on vitamin E (and the other fat soluble vitamins): http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=1+1448&aid=709
It says:
But there are no known cases of vitamin E hypervitaminosis in cats or dogs, even when vitamin E has been fed at "huge" levels. So I think that if necica cannot find a plain green lipped mussel powder or oil option, the one she has can be used, just so long as she is aware of what to look for as a potential problem.
As far as the beef.... we don't know anything about the food or the source of the beef, and that matters. When it comes to cooked beef (which is what canned food is), it's not the protein that's the issue so much as the fat (as re: inflammation). What's the fat content of the food?
If her kitty is doing fine on the beef and she's going to be supplementing with an omega 3 like green lipped mussels, I can't see the problem. :dk:
As to the gingko biloba....
I think when treating something like this, it's best to just try one thing at a time, rather than start a number of things all at once. Start with the omega 3, in this case the green lipped mussel powder. Give it a few weeks. If she handles it well - no seeming problems, then consider adding something else. I understand a holistic vet by telephone has recommended an herbal product that may help her air passage ways. I think it would make sense to try that next.
If those are helping, the gingko biloba may not even need to be considered at that point.
Flowerbelle has high blood pressure, and we check it fairly frequently at the vet. When we put her on the salmon oil, it made no impact on her blood pressure. When we switched her to the krill oil, that had no impact on her blood pressure. That does not mean this will be the same for all cats. She plays with Billy and Ming Loy, and I don't always keep everyone's nails clipped as they should be. She got a bloody scratch a few weeks ago, and there were no clotting problems. She's had frequent blood work, and everything is as it should be. I mention this just to point out that when there are potential side effects - that's what they are. Potential.
Necica has already tried salmon oil, but her kitty doesn't like it. I found that krill oil made a big difference in Flowerbelle's arthritis (who also has asthma and high blood pressure) over the salmon oil. I've never tried the green lipped mussel powder, but I understand it to be an excellent option, potentially better than krill. And the green lipped mussel oil is made FROM the powder, so the powder is less processed than the oil would be.
I looked at the ingredients, and was concerned about the amount of vitamin E. Now - theoretically we're supposed to up the vitamin E when giving omega 3s to cats, though studies published subsequent to the Nutrition Research Council's latest update indicate that the amount of E recommended per amount of omega 3 isn't as much as originally recommended.
Vitamin E is not a water soluble vitamin, thus the cause for concern. I did some research, and found this:
Here is a link to PetEducation.com, information on vitamin E (and the other fat soluble vitamins): http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=1+1448&aid=709
It says:
In people, this is what excess vitamin E can cause: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_E
But there are no known cases of vitamin E hypervitaminosis in cats or dogs, even when vitamin E has been fed at "huge" levels. So I think that if necica cannot find a plain green lipped mussel powder or oil option, the one she has can be used, just so long as she is aware of what to look for as a potential problem.
As far as the beef.... we don't know anything about the food or the source of the beef, and that matters. When it comes to cooked beef (which is what canned food is), it's not the protein that's the issue so much as the fat (as re: inflammation). What's the fat content of the food?
If her kitty is doing fine on the beef and she's going to be supplementing with an omega 3 like green lipped mussels, I can't see the problem. :dk:
As to the gingko biloba....
I think when treating something like this, it's best to just try one thing at a time, rather than start a number of things all at once. Start with the omega 3, in this case the green lipped mussel powder. Give it a few weeks. If she handles it well - no seeming problems, then consider adding something else. I understand a holistic vet by telephone has recommended an herbal product that may help her air passage ways. I think it would make sense to try that next.
If those are helping, the gingko biloba may not even need to be considered at that point.
Flowerbelle has high blood pressure, and we check it fairly frequently at the vet. When we put her on the salmon oil, it made no impact on her blood pressure. When we switched her to the krill oil, that had no impact on her blood pressure. That does not mean this will be the same for all cats. She plays with Billy and Ming Loy, and I don't always keep everyone's nails clipped as they should be. She got a bloody scratch a few weeks ago, and there were no clotting problems. She's had frequent blood work, and everything is as it should be. I mention this just to point out that when there are potential side effects - that's what they are. Potential.
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Yes Dear Lurie.,you are right better one thing to try at a time.Thank for your understaning very much .I love my kitty
so much and i would like to best for her even iam rather poor. What about royal vet food?She liked very much but i begin to looking for better food ,without so many grain in it .Sorry my english not is the best
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Anyway i give her for 3 weeks this green lipped mussel but i didnt see effect,as i didnt see good effect the salmon oil too when i was trying...she had other problem it was running nose but i had found solution .L lizin it is works.But coughing and inflammation still now i find nothing to help But i beleive it must be natural treatment also
I would follow Laurie's advice and try the green lipped mussel stuff you have. I think the next thing is to find the best food you can. I really wouldn't recommend any dry foods at all, and nothing with grains if possible. Can you list the ingredients of the canned food you are feeding? Which brands of cat food are available to you? We'll try to make some suggestions based on that.
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For the foods, I would take jcat's advice. She's very familiar with the foods available in Europe (she lives in Germany), and has had to do a lot of research because of her kitty's GI issues. http://www.thecatsite.com/t/258802/what-is-the-best-food-for-my-9-y-old-cat-who-has-lung-illness
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She's got a thread listing the better foods available: what is the best food for my 9 y.old cat who has lung illness?
I've suggested Animonda Carny, since that's grain-free and a complete food.
Great! Sorry, I somehow missed that thread.
Glad you popped up Tricia!! 
Hard to know about foods available in there..... specially when the ingredients are written in German :lol3:
Hard to know about foods available in there..... specially when the ingredients are written in German :lol3:
I found this information on glutathione and lung inflammation. I believe there are human inhalers with glutathione, but I don't know if any such thing exists for cats. Supplementing with glutathione may be something to discuss with your vet.
Oxidative stress and regulation of glutathione in lung inflammation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11028671
Significance of glutathione in lung disease and implications for therapy
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8141138
Oxidative stress and regulation of glutathione in lung inflammation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11028671
Significance of glutathione in lung disease and implications for therapy
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8141138
