Gingko Biloba is safety for cat?

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i need something to kepp infalmmation down in my cat lung and help to circulation.Thanks Éva
 

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Don't risk giving your cat any kind of herbs, medications, or anything of the sort until you ask a veterinarian or another qualified person. Giving your cat something that you are not 100% sure is safe could result in your cat's death.

Also, I have no idea whether or not it is safe but please play it on the safe side until you are 100% sure that it is safe and a qualified person tells you it is safe. I wouldn't give it to your cat without your veterinarian's permission, especially if she is already on medication.
 
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One vet reccomend it for me but i still afraid of to give her,maybe someone has experience with it
 

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Eva, I whole-heartedly agree with the advice you got from AveMaria02. It's great advice, trying to keep you safe.

And.....even if a vet mentioned it to you, I still don't think I would want to take a chance with ginko biloba. My number one reason would be that this herb is a blood thinner that can interfere with blood clotting.

We have talked about fish oil to fight inflammation. Fish oils are also blood thinners.

Used individually or together, they can cause a great deal of trouble.

I've seen the effects of blood thinners (foods, herbs, etc, not including any kind of medications) and I can only say, extreme caution is required with any food, herb, oil, etc, that can have a blood thinning effect.

Anyway, I would like to ask you something. You mentioned you need to stay away from chicken. Would you mind very much if I asked what is the reason for that? Digestive problems? Details would be very much appreciated.

Also, you mentioned you're including cooked beef in the diet. Again, would you mind very much if I asked what is the reason for that?

Plus, are you cooking muscle meat? How are you cooking it? In water, like it was for soup?

Or by some other cooking method?

What are you adding to it? Salt maybe or even something else? Herbs and/or onions maybe?

I can't tell you how much I, and everyone else here, would appreciate any details you could give us.

And just one last question. How long have you been adding cooked beef to the diet? 

Did you start doing this before or after the lung inflammation became a problem?   
 
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Well she had ear infection -maybe food allergy -so i avoid chiken.I begin to give her boiled beef after the lung problem.I boil just in water,no salt,no onion and just muscle meat,no bone and i know i would need calcium etc that is why i give her canned food also .I read a lot and as i told you i am very confused 

one say raw meat very healthy 

one say no it is dangerous

iam very grateful for all advise.LDG wrote me she think green lip muschel very good omega 3  ihave this one



250 Stk. = 112,8 g

Zusammensetzung:

in 100 g

pro Kapsel

in 3 Kapseln

Muschelkonzentrat
350 mg

1050,0 mg

Vitamin C
20,0 mg

60,0 mg*

Vitamin E
3,3 mg

10,0 mg*

Vitamin B6
0,67 mg

2,0 mg*

Folsäure
0,07 mg

0,21 mg*

Vitamin B12
3,0 µg

9,0 µg*

Brennwert

1214,5 kJ (289,2 kcal)

5,5 kJ (1,3 kcal)

16,5 kJ (3,9 kcal)

Eiweiß
210 mg

0,63 g

Kohlenhydrate
70 mg

0,21 g

Fett
19,4 mg

0,058 g

this she likes very much.My dear baby is on the photo .Ask anything what can help her and thanks
 

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Thanks so much for your answers.

Green lipped mussel, if you could get it, would probably be a safe supplement you could add at this time.

You need the anti-inflammatory effects of omega-3s.

Also, please read this information and really, really think about it.

http://www.mattmetzgar.com/2010/12/beef-allergy-ii.html
 
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Oh my god....so beef is not a good choise
 

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The problem with studies such as these is that it is nearly impossible to fully eliminate other factors that can control the outcome. Genetic predispositions (including ethnicity), class switching of antibodies, and IgE's most influential factor the environment. I also found it interesting that the author of the website mentioned paleo (crossfit?) and looked at a single case study of Sjrogen's.

If your cat shows to have problems with beef, by all means don't feed it. If your cat is fine on it, just be sure to not feed more than about 15% of it to the total diet. Else you'll run into imbalances Ca:po ratios, taurine, etc.
 
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Just a couple of quick thoughts.

Beef is known for causing inflammation. (Anyone interested can find a ton of information on this.) The animals' diet and many other factors are being blamed for this effect. Basically, the important thing here is that, meats from such animals have a lot of omega 6 which tends to promote inflammation and not enough omega 3 to help with inflammation.

With lung inflammation that can at one point become fatal (or any other serious cases of inflammation), to keep feeding such a food simply doesn't seem like a wise, safe choice.  

I would urge Eva to feed the proper amount of a well balanced safe canned cat food and add omega 3 to the diet as a very important first step in her fight  against this inflammation. 
 

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Pollen also causes inflammation. Environment (not diet) is the leading cause for class switching to IgE. I'm not advising anyone to feed a known allergen, but there are problems with these studies as I've talked about. Lots of factors were not taken into account.
 

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I'm talking about beef specifically because it's being added to the diet as an extra item. And the fact that beef can cause inflammation. Even if it just contributes to existing inflammation, that's bad enough.

The study is wonderful, helpful information. At the time I found it, this was exactly what I had been looking for.

When Eva mentioned adding cooked beef to the diet it made me think and eventually I went back to reread this piece of info. And I realized Eva should know about it. Especially because of this paragraph:

Subjects then went on a cow's meat exclusion diet for 6-12 months. Skin problems and gastrointestinal problems were drastically reduced or eliminated. Some patients with asthma were able to go off steroids.
In my mind the important thing is that staying away from beef (especially if it's an extra item in the diet) might be helpful and therefore very much worth a try. Especially since Eva can have access to good cat food that doesn't have to be supplemented with any other food.
 

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Beef, even grain fed beef, generally has lower amounts of Omega 6 than chicken, turkey, duck and pork (depending on the cut). An imbalance of high Omega 6 to Omega is a problem in all factory farmed meat. Lean cuts of grass fed beef probably have the lowest Omega 6 values of most meats commercially available. I wouldn't say that beef is more likely to cause inflammation from that standpoint.

As to the original question, I don't know anything about the use of gingko biloba as an anti-inflammatory. I would personally try a known anti-inflammatory like krill oil or green lipped mussel oil/powder.

In addition, since fighting inflammation is a concern, I would recommend trying a novel protein diet. The idea is that by providing a meat that she has not had before, she cannot have developed any allergens to it. Generally, this means something like venison, duck, rabbit, brushtail, quail, anything that you know she has not eaten in the past. I don't know what's available to you, but this approach has helped many cats with issues such as allergies, IBD, etc.
 
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hanks very much all of you i will avoid beff ,but the problem alot of canned food  include beef.My vet said she has lung deformation and also a reason fo

r mucus. Dear Vball 91 this green lipped mussel is ok for her what i posted ?This was the most clear i found.
 
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As for food allrgy it is just a assume.Because her ear was red ,but i really dont think it is really food allergy because it shown other symtoms too.my vet also think it can be mite alergy.Than i called a specialist doctor and he adviced me to avoid chicken
 

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is the Green lipped mussel pure? Can you post the ingredients?
It is very good for inflammation - I do like krill though.... It is VERY hard to find green-lipped mussel that hasn't been mixed with something else, as it is extremely expensive.

As for the beef, there are some theories about the inflammation issues..... One thing is for sure - it is not the most easily digestible meat - of my four cats, only one was able to eat it - the other three could not deal with it..... Digestive problems with beef are somewhat common. I have seen quite a few cats here on the raw forum who had a hard time with it.
If your cat is ok with it however, I am not sure if it would be a problem :dk:
 
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here is dear Carolina 

250 Stk. = 112,8 g

Zusammensetzung:

in 100 g

pro Kapsel

in 3 Kapseln

Muschelkonzentrat
350 mg

1050,0 mg

Vitamin C
20,0 mg

60,0 mg*

Vitamin E
3,3 mg

10,0 mg*

Vitamin B6
0,67 mg

2,0 mg*

Folsäure
0,07 mg

0,21 mg*

Vitamin B12
3,0 µg

9,0 µg*

Brennwert

1214,5 kJ (289,2 kcal)

5,5 kJ (1,3 kcal)

16,5 kJ (3,9 kcal)

Eiweiß
210 mg

0,63 g

Kohlenhydrate
70 mg

0,21 g

Fett
19,4 mg

0,058 g
it is an German product from The Nutri Store company
 
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What about Royal canin ?for example aging 12?She likes it ,i used to give her
 

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What I'm trying to get across is the study doesn't take into account other factors. Having an autoimmune condition and having tried the exclusion diets gave me false results...I personally avoided beef for years because of an "allergy" when I did not have one. This study, frankly, is not very good. That was my point. I can find studies correlating ice cream and murder. Doesn't make ice cream the cause or even a real factor.

That said, a novel protein diet would be an excellent idea! The original poster is wonderful to post the labels to better help everyone help them.
 
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