Cat eats "less" but gains weight. Check my thinking please

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Kitty joined our home as a feral kitten abandoned in the yard. Weighed less than one pound. Got healthy and gained weight quickly. Eating fancy feast can twice per day (not the gravy kind) and dry food as she wished. We also gave her treats and still do.

Fast-forward about six years and she weighed almost 14 pounds. Vet said she should lose weight, should be about 11 pounds, so I started mixing Premium Edge Healthy Weight dry food in with Friskies dry so the latter is about 1/3. How much dry food does she eat each day? I'd estimate 1/4 cup.

Recently, she was having trouble jumping up on the bed. Took her to vet. No injuries. Blood work came back normal (thank God). She had worms and we applied de-worm stuff. And NOW she weighs almost 17 pounds! Being overweight is certainly an issue with jumping and I know she's not cleaning herself as well.

She does go outside and may be fed elsewhere...but it's doubtful given our neighbors. So here are the questions.

According to the Fancy Feast site an 11 pound cat should get 3.67 cans per day. (If we fed her as per her actual 16 pounds that would be 5 cans.) Since we've fed her one can twice a day for years this means she has not been getting "too much" wet food at all! And since she rarely eats all of the wet food, she has not acted hungry.

But is it probable that the high percentage of "empty" calories in FF is the culprit? If I change the wet food to raw (like Primal pet food) would that probably help her lose in a healthy way?

If we do not leave dry food out at all and not feed it to her, would that help, too?

My honey is balking at the idea of changing FF for raw. He thinks that is changing too much, too quickly. I explained that the raw would be phased in slowly but he is adamant that we should just take the dry food away and then see how much she weighs in three months. Do you think that is sound or not?

I also could not seem to succeed with explaining that raw wet has better nutritional value than what she has been eating. If I'm on the right track here, can you suggest sites that explain this?

By the way...had already bought sampler and mixed a little raw in with FF. She gobbled it right up.

I worry that waiting 3 months for a change is too long. Along those lines: Honey also blew up at the vet's recommendation that the goal is for kitty to lose 1 pound per month. He was equating it to humans losing x percentage, threw some math at me and I could not follow it at all. What I DO get is he does not want her to be hungry or have ill effects.

What is a reasonable rate for loss?

Thank you so much for your input on the above!
 

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I think taking the dry food away is a good place to start. Also, following the manufacturer's feeding recommendations will usually result in a fat cat! ;) Go by calories, not by the can. 15-20 calories per pound per day is usual. Most adult cats need 5-6 ounces of canned food a day, depending on the brand.
 
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Thank you, Willowy. Are you suggesting the dry food may be enough to create such added pounds?
 

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But of course they don't list the calories on their website or on the can! :mad: So, hmm, from what I can find it looks like FF averages about 30 calories per ounce: http://www.petfinder.com/cats/cat-nutrition/wet-cat-food-calorie-count/

So if she should weigh 11 pounds, that would be about 5.5 oz-7.3 oz if she eats only the canned Fancy Feast. Some cats need even less, if their metabolisms are slower. But I would say that starting with just the 2 cans of FF a day, no dry, would be good. If she loses too quickly (I think safe weight loss is 1% per week? Something like that) or doesn't lose at all, then some revisions would be necessary. Do you have a good scale? It's hard to keep track if you can't weigh her frequently.

Feeding some raw is never a bad thing! Just make sure to account for the calories and subtract that from her total intake. It's best to feed 3-4 times a day---cats prefer many small meals, not one or two large meals.
 
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Thank you, Willowy. Are you suggesting the dry food may be enough to create such added pounds?
I would almost suspect this.  Especielly as it is Friskies, with a quite high content of empty calories bound in much  carbohydrates...

If you want necessarily to lower the fat content, do it by rising the content of animal proteines as compensation. Not by filling on with carbohydrates instead of animal fat.

Carbohydrates tend to fill up the fat layers in the body.  Some suspects also they raise the risk for kidney problems in older cats.

So, if you must use dry food, use dry food of high quality with a high content of animal tissues.

Wet food is clearly better if your cats eat this.  Raw possibly even better.

Btw, I suppose you DO your best to get her to move and lively play as much as she possibly can at this moment?

Welcome to our Forums!

Good luck!
 

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Yes, I agree with StefanZ that dry food is full of empty carbs (but lots of calories) that cats can't utilize. So they eat more to get the nutrients they need, leading to weight gain and obesity. If you want your kitty to lose weight you need to feed a high animal protein/low carb wet food only. Raw would be even better. Check out mschauer's thread on Mickey's weight loss. Lots of great info there for you on figuring out the right amount of calories to feed, how much weight loss to shoot for safely, etc. You're doing a great thing for your cat!
 

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 Some suspects also they [dry food with much carbohydrates] raise the risk for kidney problems in older cats.
A little correction here.  It is not necessarily carbohydrates as such who cause the kidney problems. The main problem is, cats who eat dry food, tend to drink too little.

Thus, if your cat is eating dry food, make sure he drinks enough.  Several  cups for water at several places. Water fountain is a good tip.

But the point is, much carbohydrates and too little water do combine into two different negative effects.

Btw, to dissolve/burn  fat you need much water. So too little water may be another direct reason a cat lays on fat.
 

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Yes, I agree with StefanZ that dry food is full of empty carbs (but lots of calories) that cats can't utilize. So they eat more to get the nutrients they need, leading to weight gain and obesity. If you want your kitty to lose weight you need to feed a high animal protein/low carb wet food only. Raw would be even better. Check out mschauer's thread on Mickey's weight loss. Lots of great info there for you on figuring out the right amount of calories to feed, how much weight loss to shoot for safely, etc. You're doing a great thing for your cat!
I was just thinking I should post Mickey's thread for you to read, when I saw it referenced!  Here it is:  http://www.thecatsite.com/t/245236/mickey-my-27-lbs-foster-and-his-journey-back-to-a-healthy-weight

Plus, with my own sweet little piggy, Darko, he didn't lose any of the 4 lbs suggested by the Vet until we completely removed all kibble and replaced it with canned.  Now that we switched to raw where I can really properly weigh his food, he's doing marvelous.  He's finally getting a waistline! 

Oh, BTW, I, personally think losing 1 lb per month for a 17 lb cat is too fast
 

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Thanks mrsgreenjeans for posting that thread. I'm being lazy on the phone, and I either can't or don't know how to post a link on my phone. LOL at myself.
 

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Thank you, Willowy. Are you suggesting the dry food may be enough to create such added pounds?
It really could! Friskies dry has about 400 calories per cup. Premium Edge Healthy Weight has about 330 calories per cup. So a quarter cup of your mixture would have about 85-90 calories. Which is as much as a whole can of Fancy Feast! So, yeah, I think cutting out the dry food could do the job.
 

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Oh good, you've got lots of good info!  One other aspect to remember is that 'light' or 'diet' food for animals is marketing bullshit.  Cats aren't the same as humans so beware of marketing that appeals to our sense of human diet;  'less fat' or 'lower in carbs' (look at the ingredients and you will see they have put vegetables in, in order to substitute for the 'carbs', which still doesnt feed the feline).  

Don't stress though as it is simple.  Feed a cat it's natural diet, with play sessions, and they will naturally assume a proper weight...that means animal source for everything.  Meat and fat being the two main sources from which they access nutrition -don't be afraid of animal fat for your feline like you would be for a human.  Plant based anything won't feed them; carbs/grains can't be processed and sit as increased blood sugar before turning into fat.  Then you have a hungry fat cat syndrome.  And increased risk of diabetes.  So as recommended, ditch the kibble, and feed canned (checked for those pesky ingredients of course), or balanced raw.

Good luck!
 

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