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Greetings. I'm not really sure where to post this but I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on a situation. I'll try to go over it without rambling too much...

For years I have been seeing a small, yellow/grey cat in the neighborhood, pretty fleetingly. She seemed to be going to a house across the street. Well, recently my neighbor who is also a cat lover told me that she started feeding the cat and how friendly it was, and that she was worried about it (We both have several cats already and aren't really in a position to take in more). She told me who she thought the cat belonged to, a married couple across the street.

So, I decided to just go over and ask them about the cat. The wife answered the door and she says that the cat was left by some people in a neighborhood apartment years ago and that they spayed her and feed her everyday but she doesn't come inside. The woman said that animal control has been called to pick the cat up by a neighbor before, and they went down to the shelter and paid to get the cat back. She said that the cat is afraid of their dogs and won't go in the house, and will also rip a collar off. I asked if there was any shelter for the cat, she said the garage or back porch. I ask if they consider the cat "their cat", and she says it's kind of the "neighborhood's cat".

Not long after that, I realize there are actually two cats. Apparently (from what my neighbor tells me), the original cat had a litter some years ago, the couple found homes for most of the kittens but not for one female. They are mother and daughter cats who look very alike, apparently both spayed. They stay outside all the time. My neighbor talked to the local shelter, the shelter says it's not allowed to keep the cats outside all the time and they don't want it happening, but not to just take them because it would be stealing - however it is ok to catch them and bring them to the shelter.

Since my neighbor was feeding the cats, they were coming around a lot. My neighbor asked the couple if it was ok to look for homes for the two cats. Ok, the guy says he wants the older cat on his property to catch mice, and that they're fine outside all the time, but that she can find a home for the daughter cat if she wants. The daughter cat was the really friendly one, and was always looking to be petted and held. One cold day I just took her inside.

So now I've had the daughter cat inside for almost two weeks. I took her to the vet, they could not confirm a spay but said the scar might not be visible if it was done when she was very young. They cleaned a lot of gunk out of her ears, gave her a flea treatment and a worming pill, and gave her some drops for an ear infection. She was filthy and crawling with fleas when I first took her in.

Now, I called the couple and left them a message saying I had the one cat and they could call me back if they wanted to talk - I did not hear back from them.

Here's my question - what would you do about the mother cat? I know the shelter has traps set up to try to catch loose cats, and there are some disgruntled neighbors of this couple who have already called animal control in the past but as I said, the couple got the cats back. I'm afraid if she goes to the shelter she'll be put to sleep, because she isn't cuddly like her daughter. She's not feral, but not that friendly. And now kitten season is starting, so shelters will be filling up. Winter is ending, but for the freezing nights I set up a makeshift shelter on my porch and I know the mother cat went in and slept in it sometimes because I saw her come out of it.

What I was thinking was to try to rehome the daughter, and then maybe I could figure out a way to convince the couple to let me take in and socialize the mother and find her a real home. I'm sure the mother has fleas, dirt, possible infection, who knows. She has a very faint, croaky meow that worries me.

Any thoughts, suggestions? What would you do? Thanks!

P.S., I know I did ramble a lot, so let me know if I can clarify anything.
 

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I think the cats are doing fine. If they didn't have anywhere warm to go, they wouldn't still be alive. They have it better than most cats, no reason to change anything. If you take them to the shelter, they'll be killed (even the friendly one---adult cats have very slim chances at a shelter, especially outdoor cats). You can talk to the owners about flea control, tell them what you use, how much they can expect to pay, maybe offer to sell them one vial at a time, etc. But other than that, it sounds OK. Not all cats want to be indoor cats, and even if they did, there aren't enough homes for all of them. So as long as she's spayed and fed, AND the owners care enough to bail her out of the shelter, I'd leave well enough alone.

If the daughter cat is friendly and easily rehomed and the owners don't mind, that's OK. But I wouldn't mess with the mama cat.

What makes you think she has an infection? Some cats just have a croaky voice, that's nothing to worry about.
 
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The thing about her voice is that it's barely there. When I first took the other cat in, hers was also croaky but now it's getting better. As for an infection, I just wonder because the daughter cat I took in had a bad ear infection. It just seems the mama isn't being cared for properly, and I am worried about the dangers of her being outside, especially since she's getting older. It also isn't allowed, in our area anyway, to have cats outside all the time like that.

At some point I will probably try to talk to these people again about finding her a real home.

 
 

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I dunno, I guess to me, anything is better than being murdered in a shelter :dk:. And there are very few options for adult cats, the older they are, the fewer those options become. I doubt a "real home" could be found for her even if they tried. But i suppose it is worth a try.
 

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I think your plan sounds good. If there's no reason not to do it, why not give it a go?


Agree with Willowy's point about the cats not being too bad off, but I understand wanting them to have a better life. If they don't want to let you have the momma, maybe you could "sponsor" her? Would they let you take charge of getting her to a vet and treated? She could continue to be "their" cat, and you could feel better about the care that she's getting.

Also, about the croaky voice, it could be an infection, but it might not be. One of my little ones has hardly any voice. He really has to make an effort to be heard, but the vet looked him over and said he's perfectly fine.

It's very commendable that you want to help these two. I hope you can find a solution that everybody is happy with.
 
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Thanks for the thoughts.

I have no plans to bring the mother cat to the local shelter, I agree that with her not being terribly people friendly and especially with kitten season starting it's probably not a good idea. She could still be picked up again by animal control, though. Ideally I would like to socialize her myself and then find her a good home. We'll see how things develop. I'm still working with the daughter cat.

As for bringing mama to the vet, maybe I can ask the couple's permission to do so. I guess a part of me feels like I shouldn't have to, because they aren't and she is a "neighborhood cat". Not to mention I would bet that they have more money than I do to care for her.

I'll keep an eye on her and post again with any updates.
 
 

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As for bringing mama to the vet, maybe I can ask the couple's permission to do so. I guess a part of me feels like I shouldn't have to, because they aren't and she is a "neighborhood cat". Not to mention I would bet that they have more money than I do to care for her.
With a little luck your question for permit to take her to a vet plants in the idea, and make them take up their wallet.   I mean, if YOU said to them to take them to a vet, they would perhaps be irritated and set up a defensive position.   But if you voluntarily want to take her yourself there, it is a completely another situation and no press on them...

So you can hope. Although you must be preparet they DONT get the idea.... In in this case, you must proceed on with what you did began.     :(

Good luck!
 
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Ok, I am now convinced the other cat has an ear infection and I know she has a flea problem. I called the couple and left a message telling them I was thinking of taking her to the vet, and asked that they call me back. They have not. I don't think they want to talk to me (I called before and so did my neighbor with no response). If I can, I will just take her to the lower cost clinic and get her ears treated and a flea treatment. Now, I'm wondering what else I should have done. I guess I can't just take the cat in, so I guess I'll just put her back outside (if I ever get her in the first place - my neighbor who feeds her is going to try to catch her for me). So, if I'm putting her back outside for the time being, what should I have done? Rabies, I suppose. Dewormer? Distemper? Should I bother testing her for FIV/FeLV? Any thoughts?

I still am looking for a home for the one I do have inside, Honeydew.

 

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Bless you!  If you can afford it, I would have the gamit run on the mother cat - combo testing, ear, flea and worm treament, rabies, distemper, etc.

If she comes back positive for FELV or FIV, you should talk to the "owners" and ask what they want to do.  I know FIV kitties can have a  nice long life span, if given good care.  Not sure I'd describe her care to this point as "good," though.   She'll need really good nutrition and a safe warm shelter.  FELV is a different matter - I have absolutely no advice on that heartbreaking scenario.  Maybe someone else can advise if that possibility comes about.  If the "owners" don't return you call within a week or so, you may have a decision to make.  They may simply not know what to do and are happy to let you assume the responibility.

Honeydew is absolutely gorgeous!  Good luck with both kitties...
 

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So, if I'm putting her back outside for the time being, what should I have done? Rabies, I suppose. Dewormer? Distemper? Should I bother testing her for FIV/FeLV? Any thoughts?
here is what i do in addition to altering with any feral that i have trapped; dewormer, capstar and a dose of revolution. normally testing for FIV/FeLV is not done, but if your budget allows it is a good idea. if she does come back as FIV+ you will know to keep your eyes out for any potential problems early on, as well as know that you will need to be aggressive in treating any health issues (infections) that do arise.

also, make certain to have her eartipped while she is there. a few times i have had to mention to the vet having them do that, only when i have had to bring a feral to a "regular" vet as opposed to one that is more geared towards feral cats.
 
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