Feeding the Two of Them is Making Me Crazy

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So, for one thing, Casper's appetite has been off for a while now.  Ever since he was ill some weeks back.  There are some days where he just is very picky about his food and I'm realizing the canned is just not interesting to him right now.  He'll pick at it, eat maybe an ounce of it and pretty much he's done.  I can sometimes manage to get him to have a few more bites if I sprinkle some crushed up dried chicken treats over the top.  If I offer kibble, he's on it like flies on poop.  So, not so sure it's his appetite per se; more like him just being bored of the wet food or something.  

I've tried mixing it up and getting some new brands to try him on.  He'll be interested for a day and then it's back to the same old routine.  Just tried him on Hounds and Gatos which he wolfed down the first try and now, not so much.  Ugh.

So my second problem is Cocoa, who was on the undernourished side when she arrived to us a couple of months back, has turned in to a piglet!  She, is eating what he doesn't want.  It's like I have to stand over them and watch them eat to make sure he gets what he wants first or she'll nudge her way over and polish off his bowl before I'm aware of it.  Which makes me wonder who it was that ate it.  I can't be sure if Casper is getting enough food or not this way.  

I'm up at 5:45 am, feed them at 6:00 am.  Casper is fed in small doses because he has a history of barfing if fed all at once.  I give him a tablespoon or 2 to start.  Lately, he isn't even finishing this.  She in the meantime, polishes off her 1/2 can in the time it takes him to eat 1 tablespoon lol.  I'll pick up his bowl, come back 1/2 hour later, give him the rest of his food.  But, I can't sit there and watch every minute - I mean, I need time to get ready to be out the door by 7am.  Inevitably I see Cocoa, at some point, dashing into the kitchen and him leaving and usually I know it's because he's left food behind that she is taken advantage of.

So, before I leave, I give him some kibble now to make sure he's getting enough calories in him.  He eats that, NO problem (and she, is pushing her way to THAT too!).  

Dinner, my BF feeds them.  Most nights Casper is doing the same thing.  I'll come home around 7ish, and his bowl is still practically full and has been for nearly an hour.  Hers, is usually wiped clean.  If his is gone or nearly gone I can't be sure if it was him that ate it because my BF doesn't pay nearly half the attention I do to what's happening with their meals.  All I know is most nights I arrive home and there is food in Casper's bowl and he is NOT interested in going back to it.  So, it becomes kibble, again.

I'm sure he isn't eating more than a couple of ounces of wet a day right now and he's about 14 pounds.  Add in the maybe 1/2 cup of kibble.

She, who is only 7 pounds, on the other hand, is eating practically 2 whole cans, I'm sure she's getting somewhere between 8-9 ounces of wet a day plus, a bit of kibble of his also.  I wanted her to gain weight but this is ridiculous.  It's costing me a freaking fortune now.

I'm wondering if I should just dispense trying to feed him the wet food at this point - although it utterly pains me to do so.  Opening 2 cans a day, for her basically, is not cost effective for me.  It would be one thing if I fed Friskies, but I don't.  The medium price point of the cans is probably around $1.50 each or over $90 a month in wet alone.  

Does anyone have any ideas how to manage the two of them, having such differing appetites right now, combined with my schedule?  

I am not ready to do the raw thing, although I have been reading A LOT about it.  Just really not sure if I'm quite the type to manage it, as I have a tendency to pass out early for bed and knowing myself, I can't even remember to take out lunches I prepare for myself to take to work so I don't know if I'm going to remember to thaw out frozen raw food the night before consistently for the kitties.  And, my BF is even worse than I about that kind of stuff, combined with some general aversions to dealing with raw food.
 
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I'd think there's more fat in the wet food but it appears I'm wrong.  I'm feeding him a combination of Before the Grain Chicken kibble and Blue Buffalo Basics Turkey & Potato kibble - both grain free.  

I'd really prefer him to eat the wet, being nearly 12 years old, and already having had one bout of a UTI a couple of years ago.  He's a good water drinker even when on the wet food, so maybe I don't need to worry too much about his liquid intake.

The BTG says it's 36% fat. The BB is only 12% fat (wow, that's low!) - so averaged per serving 24%.

Ok - wow I really had NO idea canned food was this low in fat.  I took a look at 4 of the ones I'm feeding them right now and these are surprising low in comparison to the kibble:

Hounds and Gatos Chicken (canned) - 9.5% fat

Before the Grain Turkey (canned) - 6% fat

Natural Balance Ultra - 5% fat

Chicken Soup for the Cat Lovers Soul - Hairball Formula - 5% fat

Didn't even bother with any of the Weruva's because I already know those are very low in calories and fat - although, he does love them at least - totally licks the bowl clean with them all.  I don't think he's turned his nose up at a single one, other than pushing the peas out of the way lol.  But they are far too expensive for me to keep on a regular rotation.

However, before he went to these, before Cocoa came to us (I switched him to the food she was eating because we didn't want to upset her too much and he's always been so easy to feed) - he had been eating Blue Buffalo canned for the most part.  Those are rather low also, even lower in some instances.

I don't know.  Maybe it IS something about him getting older and needing different requirements now?  

Can anyone tell me about the fat needs of senior cats and if there are canned foods which have higher concentrations of fat in them?

Either that or he takes after my BF and I and just enjoys food bad for him 
 
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You have to convert those canned food numbers into Dry Matter Basis to make an accurate comparison to dry food. From catinfo.org's site:

To calculate the approximate weight of the carbohydrate in a food, add up the values for moisture, protein, fat, fiber, and ash and subtract this value from 100%. Here is an example from the PetGuard website for their Organic Chicken and Vegetable Entree:

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS:
Crude Protein 9.0% Min
Crude Fat 7.0% Min
Crude Fiber 1.0% Max
Moisture 78.0% Max
Ash 2.3% Max

If we add up the above figures, and then subtract this value from 100%, we come up with a rough idea of the carbohydrate content of this food: 3%.

But we are not finished yet. The value of 3% needs to be converted to a 'dry matter basis' (DMB) for accuracy. This calculation takes the water component out of the equation and then allows values for canned and dry foods to be comparable.

For the DMB value, we see that there is 78% water in this food. That leaves 22% as dry matter. If we take our 3% and divide it by 22% we come up with 14% carbohydrates (by weight) on a dry matter basis. With further calculations (see below) to compute the calories from carbohydrates, we come up with a value of 11%.
 

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Hi Sivaleah,

In my experience, and from what I've read, cats will eat less (become 'full') when they are eating what is nutritionally beneficial for them.  It's pretty hard to compare dry and wet foods even if you convert to dry matter basis, as you are unable to work out how much of the fat and how much of the protein is from animal sources - not nutritional for a cat if from a plant source, and worse, manufacturers have worked out ways to 'trick' the system and register protein from the simple nitrogen test, when its coming from a non-food source (eg: shellfish/crustacean shells will register for nitrogen, and melamine also - hence the whole melamine poisoning thing a few years back) .  You can of course read the ingredients to get some idea.  

I have an extremely active cat, and have noticed that a can of cat food will not 'hold' him as long as some real meat.  (We don't feed kibble for the obvious reasons, even though he'd love it if we did!).  The real meat is also cheaper.  I know you have said you're not ready for raw, but keep considering it!  Even if you start out with the evening meal only as real meat - assuming you are cooking it fresh for yourself anyway.  And as to piggy behaviour, I let him eat as much as he wants.  With nutritional food, they will self regulate - once the lack of food status wears off, she will start to tail off.  We even see this if Kato has been ill and off his food - it's followed by a ridiculously voracious appetite for a couple days, and then he tails back.  So I wouldnt really worry too much about her eating too much (apart from the kibble)...taking away the food from your other boy is the real problem.  Maybe you could feed in separate rooms?

On the cost front, perhaps a few cans could come from 'lesser' sources (I read one holistic vet who does Friskies for 2 meals of the week as she figures they would eat byproducts naturally anyway).  Another meal each week (and yes, only one, two at most) could be tuna or sardines- I have often noticed these are far cheaper than quality cat food, and they are certainly nutritionally dense.  On that front, I also check the human food isle for canned chicken (check the ingredients, you only want meat), as I figure sometimes this will be cheaper too  when a sale comes on.  But the cheapest by far is real human grade fresh meat.  If you want to supplement fat, I'd try butter or cream (don't get confused with the health hype on fat types - these are for humans, not cats.  Stick with animal fats, and some oily fish).

Picky eaters are very frustrating - I hope you get some joy and good tips on this one.  The only solution I have that you aren't doing is hand-feeding (and I don't think you want to do that with canned food!!)  We also try and play before meal time and this also works.
 

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he's left food behind that she is taken advantage of.
Just be careful with this.  You may want to weigh them once a month just to be sure she isn't gaining weight with this routine.  (We just step on the human scale with them then step back on without them and subtract...sure it's probably not accurate to the ounce but you can get an idea if she is packing on pounds.) 

We got in trouble letting our Emily finish the other cats' leftovers.  She is 1-2 pounds overweight now and so now we HAVE to police mealtime....no choice.  While it is true that many cats will self regulate, Emily just loves to eat and gained that extra weight on good quality, meaty grain free canned food. 
 

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Very good research and calculations from sivyaleah, vball91 and tammyp.  My congratulations and a tip of the hat.
 
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Thanks to everyone for such quick responses!

Vball - I have to digest (no pun intended) your information further.  I'm not very math oriented but I get the gist of the information you shared.  Thanks for that!

Txcatmom - You've been incredibly helpful to me on several occasions.  Cocoa gaining too much weight is a big concern.  I had written earlier about my desire for her to gain weight; she really came to us rather thin but I am very aware that she shouldn't gain too much.  Our vet suggested not more than a pound or two at most.  This trailing after him for his leftovers is a recent behavior - just this past week.  It could be because she finally is very comfortable with us - and more so with him.  Within the last few days they have started to play with each other, have become friends.  So, I think she is taking this to the next level by assuming she can share his food too ROFL.  He did scold her one day rather roughly over it, good for him.

We have weighed Casper using your method, so we'll be doing the same for Cocoa as well to keep an eye on her.  For now, I'm just chasing her away or picking her up and removing her when I'm around.

Tammy - Wow, what a great amount of advice!  One thing I forgot to mention, is that Casper is rather inactive and was recently diagnosed as *probably* having some minor arthritis (for instance, we notice he is slower going upstairs and jumping into our bed now).  However, he also has started to play with Cocoa and is getting some exercise.  She is quite the little fireball so she's good for him in that regard.  

I appreciate your suggestions for ways to cut the food expense most especially.  I actually have given Casper and her sardines now and then, but obviously don't want to overdo with Casper due to his age and him being male.  But now and then it's fine and yes, relatively inexpensive since 1 can could go several meals. 

As for feeding them human food, I do that now and then as well.  If we are having chicken for dinner, many times I'll pull aside a piece to cook up plain.  The other day, I made tuna sandwiches for lunch for us, and before I added the mayo, I gave them a little treat of it plain.  It never occurred to me to get the canned chicken for them so that's a great idea.  I see that go on sale frequently.  Also, I'm aware about the right fat sources; i.e. butter/cream. I am a serious cook at home and NOT into fad diets or foods.  I buy organic, locavore, REAL foods, read labels, avoid the same things in our food that I try to avoid in our pets food.  

Lastly, I have hand fed haha!  Sometimes it works, sometimes not. *sighs*

BTW feeding in separate rooms is pretty impossible.  I have a VERY small house.  On purpose.  When my ex and I broke up, I swore I'd never have a house too big for my needs again.  I now live in a nearly 100 year old home, that has no family room, only a kitchen, living room, dining room and powder room on the 1st floor.  The LR/DR are open to each other pretty much, and right around the corner from the kitchen.  Cocoa has claimed the dining room as "her" room now (it has a large picture window with seating under it for her to hang out on).  So, really there isn't anywhere for Casper's food to go but in the kitchen, with hers.  I feed them on opposite sides of the kitchen, not facing each other at least.  But she is opportunistic and she's also a counter surfer if I'm not careful (my clean-up techniques have improved 100% since she's been here!).  She once actually jumped up while I was prepping dinner and walked ONTO the stove.  Good thing, it was off :O  BAD KITTY!!!
 
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I'm-kinda-confused,lol.


Are-you-trying-to-put-weight-on,or,take-weight-off,or-just-get-Casper-to-eat,and-Cocoa-not-get-his-foodies?

Sorry,not-you,lol,its-me,got-laid-off-today,so-not-comprehending-posts-tonight.What-rooms-in-your-house,have-doors-on-them?Do-you-have-carriers?

I-got-this,but,just-not-sure,what-your-asking-for.


 
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Oh Flint, so sorry about your job :(

Ok, one at a time lol.

Casper  - trying to get him to eat, appetite off or being picky.  Not sure which.  Maybe just being picky but he never used to be.

Cocoa, would like her to gain a little weight, but she's pigging out on Casper's food before he finishes it.

No rooms have doors downstairs except bathroom.  Won't feed them there. Yech!

Yes, I have carriers :)  I could put Cocoa in hers while he eats, I suppose if this continues to be problematic.  Awesome suggestion.

BTW, I did get Casper to eat his whole portion this evening.  Also, my BF got him to eat his leftover breakfast later in the morning.  So today, was a good day.
 
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So, for one thing, Casper's appetite has been off for a while now.  Ever since he was ill some weeks back.  There are some days where he just is very picky about his food and I'm realizing the canned is just not interesting to him right now.  He'll pick at it, eat maybe an ounce of it and pretty much he's done.  I can sometimes manage to get him to have a few more bites if I sprinkle some crushed up dried chicken treats over the top.  If I offer kibble, he's on it like flies on poop.  So, not so sure it's his appetite per se; more like him just being bored of the wet food or something.  

I've tried mixing it up and getting some new brands to try him on.  He'll be interested for a day and then it's back to the same old routine.  Just tried him on Hounds and Gatos which he wolfed down the first try and now, not so much.  Ugh.

So my second problem is Cocoa, who was on the undernourished side when she arrived to us a couple of months back, has turned in to a piglet!  She, is eating what he doesn't want.  It's like I have to stand over them and watch them eat to make sure he gets what he wants first or she'll nudge her way over and polish off his bowl before I'm aware of it.  Which makes me wonder who it was that ate it.  I can't be sure if Casper is getting enough food or not this way.  

I'm up at 5:45 am, feed them at 6:00 am.  Casper is fed in small doses because he has a history of barfing if fed all at once.  I give him a tablespoon or 2 to start.  Lately, he isn't even finishing this.  She in the meantime, polishes off her 1/2 can in the time it takes him to eat 1 tablespoon lol.  I'll pick up his bowl, come back 1/2 hour later, give him the rest of his food.  But, I can't sit there and watch every minute - I mean, I need time to get ready to be out the door by 7am.  Inevitably I see Cocoa, at some point, dashing into the kitchen and him leaving and usually I know it's because he's left food behind that she is taken advantage of.

So, before I leave, I give him some kibble now to make sure he's getting enough calories in him.  He eats that, NO problem (and she, is pushing her way to THAT too!).  

Dinner, my BF feeds them.  Most nights Casper is doing the same thing.  I'll come home around 7ish, and his bowl is still practically full and has been for nearly an hour.  Hers, is usually wiped clean.  If his is gone or nearly gone I can't be sure if it was him that ate it because my BF doesn't pay nearly half the attention I do to what's happening with their meals.  All I know is most nights I arrive home and there is food in Casper's bowl and he is NOT interested in going back to it.  So, it becomes kibble, again.

I'm sure he isn't eating more than a couple of ounces of wet a day right now and he's about 14 pounds.  Add in the maybe 1/2 cup of kibble.

She, who is only 7 pounds, on the other hand, is eating practically 2 whole cans, I'm sure she's getting somewhere between 8-9 ounces of wet a day plus, a bit of kibble of his also.  I wanted her to gain weight but this is ridiculous.  It's costing me a freaking fortune now.

I'm wondering if I should just dispense trying to feed him the wet food at this point - although it utterly pains me to do so.  Opening 2 cans a day, for her basically, is not cost effective for me.  It would be one thing if I fed Friskies, but I don't.  The medium price point of the cans is probably around $1.50 each or over $90 a month in wet alone.  

Does anyone have any ideas how to manage the two of them, having such differing appetites right now, combined with my schedule?  

I am not ready to do the raw thing, although I have been reading A LOT about it.  Just really not sure if I'm quite the type to manage it, as I have a tendency to pass out early for bed and knowing myself, I can't even remember to take out lunches I prepare for myself to take to work so I don't know if I'm going to remember to thaw out frozen raw food the night before consistently for the kitties.  And, my BF is even worse than I about that kind of stuff, combined with some general aversions to dealing with raw food.
have you tried mixing the dry with the wet? and feed her first then him or visa versa i think she is making him nerves or feed them a cross the room and stand in between them if she finishes first put or in a room tell he is done and do not give her his left overs i did this with my cats and it worked :)
 

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Hi Sivyaleah, one more little bit to add - unrelated, but perhaps of interest as you've said Casper is getting on and perhaps has arthritis.  I've read that supplementing a senior's diet with extra fats is excellent to support mental health (recoats the myelin sheathing of the nerves, which conduct messages), and adding a bit of powdered gelatin can do wonders for arthritis - this lady's cat is now comfortably jumping around.  This is her post when she first started to supplement: http://www.wayofcats.com/blog/im-giving-my-cats-gelatin/21440
 
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Tammy, I have started giving him krill oil in his food to help.  It's only been a short while so we'll see how that goes.  The vet recommended a fish oil, which was a spray on.  He hated it.  At the suggestion of members here I switched to the krill, which he likes :).  I'll check out the gelatin also. Thanks for the tip.

Mewlittle - You do have a point, it's possible that he's annoyed with her. I am already feeding them separately on opposite sides of the kitchen (it's a good sized room), facing opposite ways.  In the morning, when I am there, I stand there in the middle until both are finished.  If Casper has any left, I pick it up and go about my business, putting it down again at some point.  The problem is, I really am not able to literally stand there at all moments.  I commute to NYC, and am on a strict schedule in the mornings. Also I'm not giving her his leftovers - she's taking them.  If I leave the room for half a second, to go the bathroom for instance (hey, it's morning, it happens!), and if Casper walks away from his bowl in the small time frame, she'll rush right over to his bowl to take advantage; I know because I'll come back into the room and he isn't there but she's munching away.  Doesn't matter that she already finished her own portion.  She seems to be insatiable.  In fact, it's gotten to the point that whenever I walk into the kitchen at all now, at any time of the day, she seems to think food is part of the plan - and it sure isn't.  

I am seriously thinking of taking Flint's advice and putting her into her carrier until Casper is done with his meal.  I don't want to feed her first, and put him away.  He, is the alpha cat in our house.  Or, putting her in what used to be her "safe" room (our guest room) when I wake up in the morning, until I can settle Casper enough to know he's had his share.  Feeding her first, and just letting her roam won't work since she'll just keep hounding him for his food.  In fact, I've seen her just lay patiently next to him while he's eating, waiting for him to walk away.  There's been LOTS of chasing her out of the kitchen, by me, when I see that happen.

BTW, I tried a new brand of food on them this morning, Evengers, the chicken.  It was a huge hit for Casper and he ate nearly the whole 1/2 can at one sitting.  I don't usually give him all of his right away, but I took a chance as he seemed quite hungry this morning.  I'm beginning to wonder if maybe there's a texture issue happening since nearly everything I'm feeding him now is pate style.  Evengers was more like ground up chicken, as is the Hounds and Gatos, which he seems to like also.  Maybe he just prefers a chewier meat?
 
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Mine-are-sched-fed,and-eat-in-their-carriers.Nobody-comes-out,until-everybody-is-done.My-one-female,eats-slow,takes-her-10-min,the-others-are-done-in-5-min,they-all-know,they-have-to-wait.They-each-get-a-different-amount.That-way,I-know-they-are-only-eating-what-they-are-supposed-to-eat,and-its-a-good-way-to-tell-if-one-is-not-eating.Its-also-a-good-way-to-teach-them-to-load,and-stay-in-the-carrier,and-that-carriers-is-goody-places,lol.


Saved-my-females-life,when-she-didn't-eat-her-breakfast,eating-is-her-mission-in-life,I-knew-something-was-wrong,took-her-in-that-morn,it-was-serious.

Saved-the-kittens-lifes,first-show-hotel,fire-alarm-went-off,they-ran-under-the-bed,opened-the-carrier-door,in-they-ran.

I-feed-Blue-Wilderness,wet-in-the-morn,mixed-with-water,so-its-real-soupy,and-dry-at-night.The-dry-is-high-in-fat,its-the-highest-one,and-its-high-in-protein,they-need-the-extra,because-they-show.

Its-grain-free-by-product-free,gluten-free,soy-free,and-it-has-omega-3/6,which-is-antioxidant,which-is-what-you-want-for-an-older-kitty,and-it-makes-their-fur-soft-and-shiney.

http://bluebuffalo.com/cat-food/wilderness-chicken?pf=1&type=dry&animal=cat

If-your-looking-to-put-weight-on,you-need-to-feed-a-food,higher-in-fat.With-a-grain-free-food,you-will-find,you-feed-less-of-it,and-it-fills-them-up.The-dry-they-only-get-1/8-cup,one-gets-1/4-cup,and-this-is-per-my-vet.She-figured-out-the-kcal.The-wet-they-get-1/4-of-the-5.5-can,mixed-with-water,so-its-real-soupy.I-wouldn't-want-any-more-weight-on-them.

I-would-feed-wet-twice-a-day,but-its-not-in-my-budget,one-does-get-wet-twice-a-day,he-has-to,he-is-a-crystal-kitty.

A-senior-kitty,needs-antioxidants,which-is-the-omega-3/6.Some-need-a-higher-fat-food,some-need-a-lower-fat-food.Some-give-L-Lysine,its-an-immune-booster.Show-kitties-that-are-heavily-campaigned,get-it,as-they-have-a-higher-degree-of-exposure/demand.Senior-kitties-are-like-senior-people,they-have-a-weaker-immune-system.

Hope-this-helps.
 
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Thanks again Flint :)

IDK if feeding Casper in his carrier would be a good idea.  He's rather large plus, he has a tendency to vomit his breakfast at times.  That, would be really bad if he did it in the carrier :(  This morning, after he did eat, and enjoyed it, about 10 minutes later he brought most of it up.  I KNEW it wasn't a good idea to give it to him all in one shot.  Wish I had not.  It had been at least a week since he did that.  And, he only seems to do it mornings for the most part so it's surely an acid situation.  I'm not sure why my vet hasn't taken this more seriously, and tried to help us with it. It seems so plainly obvious to us what the problem is and yet he keeps harping on "obstructions" but if it was, I'd think he would upchuck every time he tried to eat.  Since he can go for a week or more sometimes without, I doubt there is anything stuck anywhere.

But, I can see doing this for Cocoa for sure, at least in the morning when it's particularly an issue since I really am not able to stand there to watch over her and prevent her from bothering him as much as I would like to.

I used to feed him various Blue products but, he got bored and picky with those also.  

You bring up a good point though, about the dry food being higher in fat, which as I mentioned I wasn't aware of until I looked yesterday.  Perhaps, I may be better going back to feeding her kibble at night instead of wet.  The mixture I have now (Blue and BTG) averages out to a decent fat content.  I only give them no more than 1/4 cup of kibble, same as you.  I also sometimes water down Cocoa's wet food, because she does not seem to drink water very much, the way Casper does.

So, maybe overall, based on what I've read so far I need to:

a.  Feed Cocoa separately, as best as possible, away from Casper.  Let him finish his food before she eats.

b.  Give Cocoa a bit more, higher fat food.

c.  Maybe go back to kibble evenings to help cut back costs. Possibly mix Casper's half and half with wet to keep him on a higher wet ratio.

d.  Maybe also consider other food options a few times a week, as mentioned, to help cut costs.
 

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Tammy, I have started giving him krill oil in his food to help.  It's only been a short while so we'll see how that goes.  The vet recommended a fish oil, which was a spray on.  He hated it.  At the suggestion of members here I switched to the krill, which he likes :).  I'll check out the gelatin also. Thanks for the tip.

Mewlittle - You do have a point, it's possible that he's annoyed with her. I am already feeding them separately on opposite sides of the kitchen (it's a good sized room), facing opposite ways.  In the morning, when I am there, I stand there in the middle until both are finished.  If Casper has any left, I pick it up and go about my business, putting it down again at some point.  The problem is, I really am not able to literally stand there at all moments.  I commute to NYC, and am on a strict schedule in the mornings. Also I'm not giving her his leftovers - she's taking them.  If I leave the room for half a second, to go the bathroom for instance (hey, it's morning, it happens!), and if Casper walks away from his bowl in the small time frame, she'll rush right over to his bowl to take advantage; I know because I'll come back into the room and he isn't there but she's munching away.  Doesn't matter that she already finished her own portion.  She seems to be insatiable.  In fact, it's gotten to the point that whenever I walk into the kitchen at all now, at any time of the day, she seems to think food is part of the plan - and it sure isn't.  

I am seriously thinking of taking Flint's advice and putting her into her carrier until Casper is done with his meal.  I don't want to feed her first, and put him away.  He, is the alpha cat in our house.  Or, putting her in what used to be her "safe" room (our guest room) when I wake up in the morning, until I can settle Casper enough to know he's had his share.  Feeding her first, and just letting her roam won't work since she'll just keep hounding him for his food.  In fact, I've seen her just lay patiently next to him while he's eating, waiting for him to walk away.  There's been LOTS of chasing her out of the kitchen, by me, when I see that happen.

BTW, I tried a new brand of food on them this morning, Evengers, the chicken.  It was a huge hit for Casper and he ate nearly the whole 1/2 can at one sitting.  I don't usually give him all of his right away, but I took a chance as he seemed quite hungry this morning.  I'm beginning to wonder if maybe there's a texture issue happening since nearly everything I'm feeding him now is pate style.  Evengers was more like ground up chicken, as is the Hounds and Gatos, which he seems to like also.  Maybe he just prefers a chewier meat?
since she thinks you go in the kitchen and thinks its meal time all the time you could feed her in the hallway or some were else
 
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I should post photos of my house.

Seriously.  You would all be amazed at how compact it is, and how close everything is to each other lol.

The hallway, is literally practically in the kitchen 
 

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In regards to finding a higher fat food for Cocoa, Dr. Pierson has a great comparison of commercial cat foods on her site. http://www.catinfo.org/docs/FoodChartPublic9-22-12.pdf.  I used this to help pick canned foods for my cat. The higher fat ones on this list that I like are Evo, Hounds & Gatos and Nature's Variety Instinct, but there are plenty of others to choose from.

However, I would agree with tammyp that feeding a high animal protein food to Cocoa may be the answer. The higher the animal protein, the more of it they can process and use, the more "full" and satisfied they feel.
 
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Thanks! I'll look at the list for sure.

The Hounds and Gatos went over big this week.  Tried the chicken, and another one, don't remember which - it was a mixture of 3 flavors I believe.

Instinct, not so much.  Casper totally hated it.  Especially the beef. Even I thought it looked disgusting. Cocoa not as picky thankfully but I'd like to keep them eating the same thing at least.

Haven't tried Evo or Nature's Variety yet, so maybe I'll give those a go too.
 
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