Cat needs leg chopped off going OTT? Your views please.

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I am letting you guys know what my vets said about when I asked advise on my cats leg.

Here is the story of what happened. 

I came home or downstairs not sure what, my cat was looking for food as normal, when I saw that my cat has pulled fur out on his leg. I took a look at my cats leg and it has bite marks from what looks likes another cat. 

As normal, I phoned up my vets who said that they need him down ASAP due to being bit by another cat and needs his leg amputated. I was like, wow, you have not seen him how/why would he need this, they said because its been bit and if i cared for my cat I would bring him down ASAP and have his leg chopped off. I can't get him down to the vets today and they threatened me with some RAPCA thing that they would take my cat away from me and do the operation. I said fine, I will take him down to the vets nearer to me and I will get them to do it.

This was over 10 days ago and his bite marks are healing nicely. I have not taken him to the vets, I personally think they were going OTT, but I would like your views. Its not my first cat that has been bitten by another cat, I had one cat that had a bite on his head, If I was going to take them to my current vets they would of chopped his head off or even put him down? 

You may think I am going OTT on this post, but the same vets chopped of my cats tail. Here is what happened with that, my cat had a bruised tail, and would of healed fine just like when you bruise your coccyx bone (according to my other vet). They shaved his tail and it was definitely bruised. They said they need to take x-rays and see whats going on, so, a few hours later not a thing from my vets so we phoned them and they said he is doing fine, and should be ready to pick up after an hour rest. I got to the vets and they took me to this room, where they showed the bruise on the xray it was a little swollen. The area was about 2 inches from his tip of the tail. We thought they would bandage it up and thats that. They then brought my cat out and he has a stump of just 4 inches, they said that they done this so it wouldn't happen again, nearly £1000 later.

The vets are a corporation, and Just after Money, thats my view.

My cat with not much of a tail hated the cone thing they put on him, and against the vets advise we took it off, and he didn't care about his tail and never has.

My cat with no tail is a bit of a bully cat and likes to make sure that the others behave. What we done was brought a PET First aid kit, which had stuff to clean up scratches etc and its done a wonder on my cats leg, I am going to get another one just incase anything happens again.

The other vets I went to was a charity.
 

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Um, yeah, I'd say that vet is a bit trigger-happy on the amputation thing. It's your cat; you have the right to choose treatment options, as long as you don't allow him to suffer. So always get a second opinion before doing anything as drastic as an amputation, don't let one vet bully you into doing what they want. I think I wouldn't go back to that vet, though.
 

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Wow...how on earth can someone diagnose the issue without seeing the cat?  That's insane!  To say he needs his leg amputated from a cat bite is (obviously) nuts
.  It's true that puncture wounds are bad news, but they certainly can be treated with something other than amputation.

I would never, ever, ever, in a million years, go back to that Vet.
 

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We once had a cat whose leg had to be amputated, but that was after careful examination and consultation with the vet.  The cat had cancer and the vet was afraid the cancer would spread quickly.  We were pleased with the results and our cat lived many years after the amputation with no problem with cancer or with mobility.  He would run like crazy through our back yard.

HOWEVER, WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.  I always feel my animals are my family.  You would not have your child diagnosed with an illness over the phone - nor should you have your pet diagnosed over the phone.  Remember, your animal is part of your family. 

As other folks have recommended, DO NOT RETURN TO THIS VET, NOR CALL HIM.  He sounds like he has an influence over you, perhaps steering you in the wrong direction.  He also seems to take advantage of people's pets and money, once he has an animal on his premises.  If the other vet is a charity, make sure you donate or pay them something in order to make them realize you are not taking advantage of them, but instead want the best care for you animal. 

I would also report the first vet to whomever oversees that vets are indeed vets and looking out for the well being of animals, not just pocketing as much money as possible.  There must be some kind of Board, or Regulations, or overseer or what is right and what is wrong. 

For the cat that is a bit of a bully  -  there is a little device that gets plugged into an electrical outlet that lets out a bit of a scent for cats - it actually calms the animal down, just a bit.  Might be something you would think about, avoiding any future cat bites. 

(if one cat bites another, make sure you clean the bite with hydrogen peroxide, several times until the wound starts to heal).

Good luck with all. 
 

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Does he just like amputating things or what?  Yeah, see a different vet.  The cat's probably fine.  
 

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OMG, I'd be out for blood if a vet ever said this, or DID that to my cat.  RSPCA, Vet Board, and every other regulatory body. NO vet has the right to treat your cat without your consent when it comes to non-lifesaving procedures; an amputation for a bruise is sue - able for sure.  I'd be writing and writing and writing - legally businesses have to respond to anything written and it will create the trail you need to escalate it.  Sorry, I'm just so MAD at this!!  I'm glad you thought it was OTT and didn't take your cat in.

Time for a new vet for sure!
 
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On the charity vet people, they do a day here and there no pay, but ask for us to pay for medication they would put any animal on, any food they eat etc. 

I don't think it was the actual vet I spoke to, I am 99% sure it was the receptionist.

Problem was it was a weekend, and the main vets I go to was not open weekends, unless it was a emergency - I didn't think it was. 

My cats tail happened a few years ago now.

I phoned the vets same people as I think go OTT on it, made my sister feel so bad she took one of the cats in for a scratch on the paw, as they say things like, you need to bring him down and get checked over by a vet, if you don't then you don't deserve to be an owner of any animal... your cat is suffering and if I was the owner I would of brought him in ASAP. £50 for a 2 second look, and they said he will lick his paw and it will heal on its own.

I am currently waiting for a vets to open right down the road which would mean no more corporation seeking money... I hope
 
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The majority of the bites are healed now, just one tooth puncture left... this is the one he keeps catching and I would like advise on what I should do.

Anyone had a deep scratch or an operation where things start to heal after a few days? It gets itchy... Well, I have just sat and watched him do this, he has scratched away for a few minutes and he appears to taken the scabbing right off the same puncture over and over where its just right for his leg to get at. which is prolonging his healing process... I don't know if anyone has picked at scabbing it sometimes bleeds if done too early and new skin has not grown under. 

Well, thats what he is doing, every 2 days starts scratching, resulting in bleeding. I have brought cream thats got anti-bacterical stuff in, but helps sooth the itch. I am unsure weather to get a kit that has cat bandages - I found some online - I think they are for cats lol. 

Or do I go to the vets, and ask for a stitch for a wound that is nearly healed and very small (less than 1mm in length)
 

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I'd say he needs a cone to keep him from biting it.  Or maybe some bandage over the wound to protect it.  Whichever works and is more comfortable.  
 
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Its his front leg/shoulder that bite marks are - from another cat. After 2 days he will start to scratch it until the scab is gone, then it bleeds a little and starts to scab up again - been doing this since he got bit.

His fur is also growing back. I am so glad I didn't take him to the vets - no need to have a 3 legged cat when he has 4 good legs.
 

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Hello

I am letting you guys know what my vets said about when I asked advise on my cats leg.

Here is the story of what happened. 

I came home or downstairs not sure what, my cat was looking for food as normal, when I saw that my cat has pulled fur out on his leg. I took a look at my cats leg and it has bite marks from what looks likes another cat. 

As normal, I phoned up my vets who said that they need him down ASAP due to being bit by another cat and needs his leg amputated. I was like, wow, you have not seen him how/why would he need this, they said because its been bit and if i cared for my cat I would bring him down ASAP and have his leg chopped off. I can't get him down to the vets today and they threatened me with some RAPCA thing that they would take my cat away from me and do the operation. I said fine, I will take him down to the vets nearer to me and I will get them to do it.

This was over 10 days ago and his bite marks are healing nicely. I have not taken him to the vets, I personally think they were going OTT, but I would like your views. Its not my first cat that has been bitten by another cat, I had one cat that had a bite on his head, If I was going to take them to my current vets they would of chopped his head off or even put him down? 

You may think I am going OTT on this post, but the same vets chopped of my cats tail. Here is what happened with that, my cat had a bruised tail, and would of healed fine just like when you bruise your coccyx bone (according to my other vet). They shaved his tail and it was definitely bruised. They said they need to take x-rays and see whats going on, so, a few hours later not a thing from my vets so we phoned them and they said he is doing fine, and should be ready to pick up after an hour rest. I got to the vets and they took me to this room, where they showed the bruise on the xray it was a little swollen. The area was about 2 inches from his tip of the tail. We thought they would bandage it up and thats that. They then brought my cat out and he has a stump of just 4 inches, they said that they done this so it wouldn't happen again, nearly £1000 later.

The vets are a corporation, and Just after Money, thats my view.

My cat with not much of a tail hated the cone thing they put on him, and against the vets advise we took it off, and he didn't care about his tail and never has.

My cat with no tail is a bit of a bully cat and likes to make sure that the others behave. What we done was brought a PET First aid kit, which had stuff to clean up scratches etc and its done a wonder on my cats leg, I am going to get another one just incase anything happens again.

The other vets I went to was a charity.
o_O that's weird on the amputation thing and threatning you like that i would not go there again find another vet when my cat jazmine broke her wrist they didn't want to amputate they casted it and my other cat Marla R.I.P had bite marks on his back leg he was in pain i took him in the vet said if i waited another day he would have died >he passed 7mos later unrelated< but in your case sounded like your cats leg needed the bite marks cleaned out and etc my naighbors cat back leg was bitten he had a puss coming from it and they refused to take him in he dissapered <i think he passed from it ;/ 

just keep a eye on him extra to make sure he well be fine if any thing changes in his leg take him somewhere else

is the bite marks healing? no puss?
 
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Yeah, his leg is healing and no puss.

The other vets around here didn't want to fix my cats until they was at least 1 year old - they didn't like to take extra risks. Example they said my cats tail was bruised and should leave it to heal, I got a second opinion, who done an x-ray then chopped the dam tail off due to might not heal. 

The other vet said if its healing then its fine.
 

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Oh Jesus Christ,  give me their name and number, I would like to give them a call.

And report them to the SPCA and police,  sounds like you have a sadistic f*** on that phone.

PLEASE don't take your cat there and call whatever agency handles RAPCA and report these "vets"

My brother cat got bit, most likely by a raccoon around her knee cap.

It developed an abscess, we put her on regimens of amoxycilin/clovamax,  the abscess would go down and come back.

Then we took her to another doctor (vet issued clavamox is EXPENSIVE) and he suggested a stronger drug that came in pills.

We had those pills compounded and after dosing her up, the abscess was gone.

AT NO POINT DID ANY OF THE DOCTORS SUGGEST AMPUTATION.

I don't know if it is different in the UK, but in the USA I would expect a doctor to have euthanasia next on his lips from amputation.

So is there an abscess, is there alot of pus coming out?
 

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Yeah, his leg is healing and no puss.

The other vets around here didn't want to fix my cats until they was at least 1 year old - they didn't like to take extra risks. Example they said my cats tail was bruised and should leave it to heal, I got a second opinion, who done an x-ray then chopped the dam tail off due to might not heal. 

The other vet said if its healing then its fine.
Sometimes my browser doesnt show replies, hence i didnt know everyone else said the same thing.

REPORT this vet to any animal welfare you can think of.

Not fixing until ONE YEAR OF AGE,  call the Vet association group and report them.

They are dead wrong and adding to population of shelter cats.

AND they are risking especially the girls for uterine failure and breast cancer.

I have heard of incompetent vets, but this is rediculous.

I am not a sue happy american, but I would get a lawyer and sue them out of business.

They have no business hurting any more animals.
 
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I believe SPCA is the american version of the RSPCA.

I gave the vets a call Yesterday, and said its been a few weeks since my cat pulled his fur out, and phoned up about the bites on his legs. I think I spoke to a different lady who said you need to get him down ASAP. I was like for a bite thats nearly 1000% healed. She said Yes there are bacteria from cats teeth that are in the wound and could become infected. She then said that the infection will spread to muscle and bone in which case would mean amputation.

I said I spoke to the other vets near me, and said i should buy this cream, it will speed up the healing process and that they will only amputate if its an chronic infection wound. I have googled this and its no where near my cats legs state. They said as we are a corporation, we need to use scare tactics to get people in. I was like what about the welfare of animals, I would not put my cats though unneeded stress to travel nearly 40minutes to get to you, in a hot car, unless it was urgent.

I also said, As for the threat to go to RSPCA about me not looking after my pet, my best friend who has shown no stress over his bites was going too far and I will no longer be coming back to you. The think is I never said my name or my pets name so all they had was a phone number to go on. of which its not even my phone number registered with my cats. lol

I can't wait for a vets to open up just down the road. 
 

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Not fixing until ONE YEAR OF AGE,  call the Vet association group and report them.
They are dead wrong and adding to population of shelter cats.
As I understand it, this is a fairly common recommendation from old-school vets in the UK. Whether we agree with the recommendation or not, it's not a situation for the SPCA.

Mentioning the worst-case scenario is also not an actionable offense. The original tail amputation, depending on the circumstances, may be something the veterinary boards would take action on, but that may be past the statute of limitations.
 

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Ok so they want to report you to the RSPCA for not mutilating your cat and ruining it's life?

Does the RSPCA have legal jurisdiction? 

Anyways, the vets are right, the bacteria could cause an absess to form.

I don't think the cream can get to teh bacteria, so the cream they mention must be like bactrin (neosporin).

PM me if it gets infected, leeches puss etc.

I can call my brother's vet and find out what the med was.

Also, I would report them to the RSPCA about not neutering till 12 months.

That should also be reported to animal control/welfare government group.

My vet and breeder had a 4 month rule, I wanted to do it at 3 months, why?  Females can go into heat earlier then 4 months.

And the health complications I already mentioned are there.

Also do you guys have a service like www.yelp.com   over there?

If so write a scathing review. 

You can also hate on these people, because through their incompetence, your cat did not get medical care for days.
 
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Here is a pic of his wound now.


What do you guys think about his leg, infected? He has a scab still left on him where he keeps scratching at it. Can you guys see where he pulled his fur out and other bite marks?
 

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We've had many stray cats through the years, that have ended up on our doorsteps, into our home, and into our hearts.  Most of the strays have had some problem, or some injury.  One of the first cats we 'adopted' was a cat who had a large abcess on the side of his neck.  This stray was sitting on our side step with our kids when the abcess burst.  The kids were yelling and screaming that the cat was hurt.  I ended up at the vet's. 

The infection was huge.  The vet cleaned it, gave him medicine and did everything right.  It was determined the infection was caused by another animal's bite. We brought him home after a day or two.  I had to clean the wound 2 times a day with hydrogen peroxide as well as give him medicine.  The peroxide would foam up a bit, cleaning the wound.  The only way I could handle this was to put the cat on the toilet (seat & lid down), wrap a towel around him so his paws/claws wouldn't get out or get me, and basically sit on the edge of the seat facing the back of the toilet so the cat somehow had no chance of getting away.  I would soak that wound, day after day.  One night the cat realized how good this cleaning felt.  And...after so many cleanings, with peroxide dripping here and there, we realized this cat was more white than the grey we thought he was. 

Finally, the day came, where we could release him back into the world.  He would be free again. He was well again.  We opened the door.  He walked out the back door, down the couple stairs, and sat.  He didn't move - just looked back at us with those big eyes.  He didn't want to leave...and he didn't. He was part of our family by then; he felt it, we felt it.  He (Snowball) turned around and came back into the house and our hearts.

Since that time, every time we have had a cat that has had an injury, or something seems sore, or the cat is acting like something hurts...I always look for a cut or a bite and if I find one, I immediately clean/soak it with hydrogen peroxide.  I follow up with a visit to the vet.    
 
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