Bombay lookalike?

Hi, I adopted this little sweetheart seven months ago, and I was wondering if she is a relative to Bombay cat perhaps, or if you could tell me. I know she has a white spot on her chest, but she really loves my family and is extremely intelligent. Thanks

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He's very cute and looks like a very inquisitive kitten!

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I wouldn't call her a Bombay lookalike and it would be extremely unlikely for her to be part Bombay.
A black coat and gold eye color don't mean a cat is likely to be a Bombay or part Bombay , since there are LOTS more Black Domestic Shorthairs than there are Bombays. (There are also a lot of black cats labeled Bombays online that really do not look like Bombays. Anyone can put a caption or tag on a photo, and probably many of them are domestics that someone just thought looked kind of like some OTHER photo they saw that was labeled Bombay. lol.
But here is a video that is a series of photos of a Bombay .
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I know the guys who own that cat and a friend of mine has his brother.

Your kitty doesn't look like a Bombay in the head shape -- looks like her muzzle is more pronounced and pointier. ( I think your kitten has a beautiful head shape. )

It's impossible to know your kitten's ancestry for sure, but pedigreed cats all put together are only about 3% of cats and most of that 3% is made up of a few popular breeds like Persians or Maine Coons. Bombays are basically a black version of the Burmese, but are more rare than the Burmese itself, and, just to give some perspective, they are a lot more rare than a hairless Sphynx cat

Hmmmm..... I guess one could look at it that she is maybe similar to some of the ancestors of the American Shorthair, and the American Shorthair was crossed with Burmese to develop the Bombay. ....
But that's really stretching it!
Personally I think it's better to just say she is her own unique self. which is just as good as being a breed or a lookalike of a breed. : )

I do love really smart cats! they can be difficult though, like figuring out how to get into anything they're not supposed to.

She looks quite similar to my 5 month old black kitten.  Same eyes and coat, though mine does not have the white spot in her fur.  Mine was the college campus feral kitten special who had a tabby for a mom.  I'm nowhere near an expert on cat breeds, the Bombay specifically, but I'm guessing yours is the same as my girl- a black Domestic Shorthair with some striking gold eyes and a pretty face.  Nothing in the world wrong with that, but highly unlikely that she's part of any true "breed".
 

Lovely cute kitten, but nothing like what we would call a Bombay in the UK - wrong head shape, wrong coat texture, and that white patch...  In essence a Bombay is a black Burmese.

Thanks for your fast answers! I am very glad that you think she's cute, I love her so much and I think that her muzzle is her cutest feature, especially her nose. I didn't really expect that she is a pure breed, but as Maewkaew said, there are lots of videos and pictures on the Internet, and that stuff really made me wonder.

Hi,

And what do the Bombay and Burmese owners Think about my kitten/cat? When I bought the cat (previous family, one Child alergic of cats)? Is it possible for this cat to have kittens  with a Bombay/Burmese and that the kittens will be 100% Bombay. When i bought the cat, the owners told me that it was mother 100% Burmese ande father 75% Burmese. But now I know that a black cat must be a Bombay or something else. I appreciate to have some feedback.

Best regards from, Peter snd Cat Elsa Gloria.

hublebuble4 said:

 Is it possible for this cat to have kittens  with a Bombay/Burmese and that the kittens will be 100% Bombay.  When i bought the cat, the owners told me that it was mother 100% Burmese ande father 75% Burmese. .

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Nay, it will be a black moggie.  IF we take it was correct her parents were real Bombay and Burmese, biologically speaking the breed percentage will be higher, but not 100%.

But withouth papers from a acknowledged association she is a moggie produced by moggies.

Associations do often let breeders made some cross over, if they ask for permission, and bombay and burmese are very near relative.

But an amaterur making outcross makes instantly moggies of them.

It is like with nobility.   It is not being look alike which decides, not even being noble. You must have the proper certificate from a proper association...   Kings can usually nominate their nobles, some dukes can do it too, while other dukes cant and their nomination is worthless or at very best, frown upon...

So my advice is, if you arent really anxious to have a litter after your baby, do spay her.  This way you are doing a good service to her, and also the cat world as whole.  There are a lot of already born beautiful moggies out there, who do need good homes.

Most purebred cats ARE spayed anyway, so there is no pity about you.  

Good luck!

hublebuble4 said:

Hi,

And what do the Bombay and Burmese owners Think about my kitten/cat? When I bought the cat (previous family, one Child alergic of cats)? Is it possible for this cat to have kittens  with a Bombay/Burmese and that the kittens will be 100% Bombay. When i bought the cat, the owners told me that it was mother 100% Burmese ande father 75% Burmese. But now I ,that a black cat must be a Bombay or something else. I appreciate to have some feedback.

Best regards from, Peter snd Cat Elsa Gloria.

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 Stefan  has made good points. Breeding to a Burmese  or Bombay would increase the percent but  not to 100% . I guess it would be  about 94 if  your cat  is  like 87 , and that's IF what you were told about her parents is true, and there may be no way of knowing that.   People are often told the wrong info about breed,  like if a former owner , or rescuer, shelter worker or vet, presents their( often uninformed) guess as if it were fact ,   or  if someone  just repeated what they themselves had been told by another person,  which may or may not be correct.     (For example, in a recent  thread here, a member had just got a cat from a lady who could not keep her;  this former owner had bought her  with " papers"  (from a bogus puppymill/ kitten mill registry)  claiming she is Siamese.   The cat doesn't look Siamese at ALL to anyone who knows the breed but  the former owner absolutely believes -- and told the new owner --that the cat is a purebred Siamese --  and thinks she should be bred!    ( the new owner is going to have the cat spayed. )

Even if a cat is pedigreed  it does not mean the cat should be bred.   Like Stefan said, most pedigree cats are never bred.   they are " just " beloved pets. 

Stefan is also right that  without both the parents being registered,  you could not get registration for the kittens from a legit registry.   and if you yourself did not have proof of the ancestry , it would not be right to tell people getting kittens that they are a specific breed.

And if it is true that your cat really is 87% Burmese / Bombay,  but you have no pedigree info,   you don't know how inbred she might be,   plus if you DID find a pedigree Burmese / Bombay to breed her to,  you would have no way of knowing how closely related they might be,  and this could increase the risk of some health problems in the kittens.    

Which reminds me -- There is fortunately a genetic test now for at least one major health problem , the Burmese Craniofacial Defect,  which causes deformed kittens.   Not knowing her background , you don't know if she might come from the lines at risk for this,  so if you decide to breed her you should  first get her tested for that to rule that out.  

   I think you would have a hard time getting any ethical Burmese / Bombay breeder to allow their stud to be used with a queen of unknown background.  That could get them in trouble with breed groups.  so that's a problem right there.    More likely you might find someone with a black domestic shorthair tomcat that they claim is a Bombay/ 

so that breeding would be essentially making more black moggies when there are so many of them  in shelters  who are desperate for homes.  

Or  you might find someone with an intact Burmese male who will let anyone breed their cat to him  but that is not going to be the best breeder and probably not the best cat.   I would not want to leave my girl at a breeder I did not absolutely trust. 

If you are truly interested in breeding Burmese and Bombays,  I think it would be best to get this kitty spayed --  she can be your inspiration for getting into the breed, but that doesn't mean she should be your foundation queen.       Then take at least a year to prepare.  Get involved in a breed club. learn about the breed, health issues, the different types, the lines,  the standards,  basic genetics, find an experienced mentor in breeding and showing .  Ideally first spend a year or more showing an alter as part of your ' apprenticeship' .  

Or if you were just thinking of breeding her because it would be fun to have kittens around,  maybe you can foster for a shelter or rescue group and help with some of the many kittens who need help.

Would love to see some pictures of your girl!  

Hi,

Thank you for all answers. As I never Before have "owened" a cat, or a dog, this is interesting information for me. I am not going to establish a breeding firm, I just wanted to let Elsa Gloria have one time kittens. and I have noticed that the "real" Bombay cats have a more round face, head. Anyway, like so many other cat owners it is easy to fall in love with your cat. And so do I. And I live in an apartment, but EG is going out with me like a dog with a strap (for dogs)( sometimes she climb a tree, but I never let her go to high up in the tree). And she is perfect with her toilette box. When she has been there she looks at me and say (I Believe so): "Clean it up at once". And she is fast & furious and jump up on tables - but she doesn't destroy any china or other things, and play with toys like other kittens. That is why I would like to give her a chans to have kittens once. Just because she has a nice caractere and is of good health.(as you can see my English is not perfect, but I Believe you understand). I will publish some photos that i can take during the comming week-end.

/Peter and Elsa Gloria

Elsa does not need to have kittens. Please, have her spayed.

Hi,

I uploaded some photos. I don't know if you can see them? Anyway, it's a hard World for not 100% the right breed kittens. I have not decided if Elsa Gloria will be spayed. When it's done, it's all over for her.

/Peter

Can I show the photos on this thread?

Having EG spayed will give her a longer life and help her with behaviors (have you ever had experience with a cat in heat - it is awful!). There are so many moggie kittens already here that need homes, more from EG won't help anyone. And I can assure you, she will never know the difference.

If you would like the experience of kittens, go to your local shelter and volunteer. THAT will make a difference.

She is a beauty! You are very lucky to have such a nice cat.

Hi,

Ok, I understand. I will take the decision after this summer - spayed. I have looked at different "real" bombay cats, and they are Beautiful. When i see a photo of EG, I find her much more Beautiful in reality than on a photo. But I can see the difference of the real Bombay cat. And it's no use to make her better in Photoshop - he, he. I must add that the "real" beauty Bombays that I see on sites on the web, are those that are 'Best in Show'. So there must be some 100% Bombays out there that is/are not such beauties. Your cat is, I suppose, a 100% bombay. It is a Beauty!

Furthermore I must add that I have found breeders of Bombays in Sweden where I live, and those cats/kittens are also Beautiful. I don't know, but it seams that the knowledge of Burmese and Bombay cats are not so well-known in my country.

Thanks for your info.

Best regards,

Peter

Hi,

If you have a 100% Bombay, do you ever cut this cat's fur on some places? Or is the cat's fur hair so perfect from birth all the time when she gets older?

Cut the fur?   That depends what you mean.   Not cut it like clip all the fur shorter.  It's already very short.  But in grooming Bombays for show,  exhibitors sometimes  use a stripping knife to help get out some extra fur and help the coat lie better.    This is the sort of tool I mean :  http://www.petedge.com/product/Groo...bCategoryId/483/pc/190/c/214/sc/276/51471.uts

  I don't own a Bombay myself but I know people who show Bombays and I have seen them grooming Burmese and Bombays . 

Hello,

Thank you very much for the link. I have already sent an e-mail to the to ask if they send parcels/orders to Europe. And thank you for the advice. When I saw the photo of Elsa Gloria, I noticed that there was some "to much" fur on some places, but in reality I don't see so much (strange). Anyway, I want her to be cute - so I will do some grooming with professional Tools. --> and then - new photos.

All the best to you and your cat!

And: Talking about tolet the cat be spayed, I will wait until after this summer with the decision. I understand that it is important to increase the right breed, pedigree, for all cat races as it is for dogs.

/Peter

I am a Little Batman cat.

Hi,

Hope you all have had a nice summer (North part of the/our globe).

All who knows about that I would like Elsa Gloria to have kittens say that eg must be spayed. Please give her a chance!

Anyway, eg lived with two big black cats during the summer - 9 years old. Both black and both castrated and they were both very nice cats. I Believe that it was a nice experience for eg to get some new cat-friends. and that family who owened the cats was also a kind family with Young Children.

Anyway 2: I have contacted some Burmese and Bombay breeders, and they are not interested to let eg meet some hansome male. And I understand. Breeders wants to keep the race Clean. But eg is a very Clean cat-I mean with her box, a funny cat with excelent coordination (does not destroy anything in my home). She has had two so called "periods". One right now. Then she is crazy. But I/we love her anyway.

I'm looking for a hansome black male. After that meeting of love - and if averything gets well (kittens), I'll have her spayed.

Do you Think that I am not doing the right thing? A moggie is a moggie but eg is a very nice moggie.

By for now. Any comments are so welcome.

Peter, Elsa Goria's assistent

As I am a new cat owner, I didn't realize that it was so difficult to find a holiday home for my cat, moggie, Elsa Gloria. Finally one day left to the fligt, a very nice family told me that they could take care of my cat for these Three weeks. They have two black cats - 9 years old and neutrined. One of the cats were blind, but after some Days (first eg was frightened), the blind cat and Little eg were friends. That was so nice. But today I met the blind cat's owner. This cat, name Bengtsson, was dead. He have had problems with his kidneys. That was very sad. And I cannot tell eg about that. I hope that eg made b's last weeks a Little bit more happy? Hope so.