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Loki's blood work/blood panel.
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I'm not really qualified to give an opinion on the results. All I can say is that if you are concerned about the values flagged as high is that I have read many times that the blood results for a raw fed kitty have to be interpreted differently. If I remember correctly some values being out of the reference range is to be expected.
Has your vet expressed concern?
Has your vet expressed concern?
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I'm not really qualified to give an opinion on the results.
Okay, thank you for answering so promptly. I am sorry, that, I am not so prompt. Again, thank you very very very much.
All I can say is that if you are concerned about the values flagged as high is that I have read many times that the blood results for a raw fed kitty have to be interpreted differently.
Yes, that is what my vet says too. They also say, between the whole live prey diet and the hybrid status of the cat, we have NO idea what to tell you. Please keep in mind, my vet, isn't a cat person really and well, he is scared of "exotics". I have known him and brought animals to him, since, I was eight years old. So, we also have a person relationship. Which always starts with "what crazy animal did you bring now"? I say "its a cat" and they say "not a normal cat, I am sure of it". Yea, we have a comic sketch going on.
If I remember correctly some values being out of the reference range is to be expected.
I figured as much. But, I was/am not completely sure what ones.
Has your vet expressed concern?
Nah, they are never all that concerned with any "odd cat" I bring in. See above. They really are good vets. They just know me and that I am paranoid over my hybrids and pure exotics.
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In raw fed animals, it's not unusual to see a high BUN, RBC, hematocrit, and/or creatinine.
Other than that.... I don't know what a high albumin or low neutrophils would mean.
Other than that.... I don't know what a high albumin or low neutrophils would mean.
I think the real question here is...did you take him in for a blood test because he is sick, or was this just a routine exam? As LDG said, his BUN, creatinine, RBC and hematocrit would be expected to be on the higher side as a raw eater.
From what I can pick up from reading a couple of articles on the internet, high Albumin is a sign of dehydration. I think you feed you cats some kibble, don't you? That could be the cause of the dehydration, if Loki doesn't drink much, which he may not, being an "african cat" and all
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Now, also from what I have just read (google...could be dangerous!) the low neutrophils could indicate a lack of Vitamin B12 and/or Folic Acid, OR could be indicative of a viral infection or severe inflammation, although I would think if he had an infection, his WBC would be out of whack too, wouldn't you? I'm attaching this link which talks about what some of the different thing are on the CBC: http://www.felinecrf.org/diagnosis_cbc.htm
You have TWO exotics (at least) now, don't you? If I were you, I'd try to find a Vet who at least was knowledgeable in CATS, and preferably one who had a little knowledge in exotics, simply for this purpose.
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just in case Loki isn't feeling well!
You DID get a new kitten, right? He's he (she?) doing?
From what I can pick up from reading a couple of articles on the internet, high Albumin is a sign of dehydration. I think you feed you cats some kibble, don't you? That could be the cause of the dehydration, if Loki doesn't drink much, which he may not, being an "african cat" and all
Now, also from what I have just read (google...could be dangerous!) the low neutrophils could indicate a lack of Vitamin B12 and/or Folic Acid, OR could be indicative of a viral infection or severe inflammation, although I would think if he had an infection, his WBC would be out of whack too, wouldn't you? I'm attaching this link which talks about what some of the different thing are on the CBC: http://www.felinecrf.org/diagnosis_cbc.htm
You have TWO exotics (at least) now, don't you? If I were you, I'd try to find a Vet who at least was knowledgeable in CATS, and preferably one who had a little knowledge in exotics, simply for this purpose.
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You DID get a new kitten, right? He's he (she?) doing?
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I think the real question here is...did you take him in for a blood test because he is sick, or was this just a routine exam?
In this case both. It was mainly to check his titer for the feline corona virus. However, all my exotics and hybrids get it done every three months, in order, to check for any problems. Since, they can and do hide, symptoms like no other. It is worse, then, even a domestic cat, in my humble opinion. So, he gets these done four times a year. Yes, he and I are very.
As LDG said, his BUN, creatinine, RBC and hematocrit would be expected to be on the higher side as a raw eater.
Thank you, my new hero. I wish, vets, really know this. Again, thank you, so very very very very very very MUCH!
From what I can pick up from reading a couple of articles on the internet, high Albumin is a sign of dehydration.
He is draining to live with. O wait, that isn't dehydration. I am sorry, I just had to try to make light of the situation. Thank you, again, for that bit of information. You ROCK!
I think you feed you cats some kibble, don't you?
Yes, due to my crazy life, he is left Evo dry (Chicken and Turkey formula) out 24/7. Some days, he eats one tenth of a cup and some days he eats a whole cup. Loki, like everything else he does, in his life, has, absolutely no middle ground! You know, either bouncing off my walls or dead asleep. Almost no dry food or all the dry food, on offer.
That could be the cause of the dehydration, if Loki doesn't drink much, which he may not, being an "african cat" and all.
He drinks, a lot of water, compared to my domestics. But, he runs around like a dog, He even pants like one. So, he might not be drinking adequately,
Now, also from what I have just read (google...could be dangerous!) the low neutrophils could indicate a lack of Vitamin B12 and/or Folic Acid, OR could be indicative of a viral infection or severe inflammation, although I would think if he had an infection, his WBC would be out of whack too, wouldn't you?
Now, the feline corona virus is very dangerous in exotics and hybrids. So, I am guessing, his issue is related to the feline upper respiratory. Of which, thank God, he has been asymptomatic of for a year and half. So, that is my guess. He also may need more B12 and Folic Acid too. I have no idea.
I'm attaching this link which talks about what some of the different thing are on the CBC: http://www.felinecrf.org/diagnosis_cbc.htm
Thank you, so very very very very very very very very very very much! I will read that tonight, when, I am home.
You have TWO exotics (at least) now, don't you?
No, my pure exotic, was killed in his enclosure in late 2012. I miss Pudding terribly.
If I were you, I'd try to find a Vet who at least was knowledgeable in CATS, and preferably one who had a little knowledge in exotics, simply for this purpose.
I agree, I am going to start looking HARDER. I am having a hard time. I did find two cat only practices. They told me, they will not see foundation cats (F1-F4). Just SBT's (F5 to Standard Stud Book Tradition).
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Nope, he seems to be doing fine. However, he can always use the vibes
You DID get a new kitten, right? He's he (she?) doing?
No, Loki's playmate, was a female. A HUGE female at that, but, a female. I take the nonstandard or "imperfect cats" nonstandard color/pattern from breeders. Since, this was a F2 and female and her huge size, she, will be used by the breeder to put in with her pure male Serval or her black F5C stud. So, that will either make High percentage F1's or F3C Savannah's in very cool BST or black. Both of which, are standard colors. Since, when I take these cats, they are free, minus shipping and medical needs, I prefer, the breeders to keep or sell them. Though, this breeder, offered me the girl. But. of course, I declined. Her F1 got pregnant by the same male, that, makes nonstandard cats, so, I am hoping for a male. If not, I am going to take, a BST male this time. Since, this breeder was very very generous. I do think F1-F3 hybrids are very hard to sex. Me and the breeder, took her to the vet and only the vet figured female at 11 weeks old. I really thought, male, with undescended testicles
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I don't see anything abnormal here. The values that are outside of the reference range are just barely outside. In this case, you just look at the big picture - a couple of slightly off values in an animal that is healthy and not having issues, is not so much of a concern. A large portion of the routine bloodwork we run (ie, healthy, not sick animals) comes back with a value or two that is not exactly inside the reference range. Typically in that case we don't even tell the owners that any values were off. We just tell them the bloodwork looks good!
Results can be skewed with raw fed animals, and sometimes individual animals just don't necessarily fit within the ranges... sometimes they just naturally run a little higher/lower than what the range calls for.
So in short - I wouldn't worry about these results!
Results can be skewed with raw fed animals, and sometimes individual animals just don't necessarily fit within the ranges... sometimes they just naturally run a little higher/lower than what the range calls for.
So in short - I wouldn't worry about these results!
Try looking for an exotics vet. . .usually certified avian vets have some exotic knowledge, so if you see that in their Yellow Pages ad it might be good to call them. Maybe try to find one that works with a zoo or something like that. You can call the local zoo (if there is one in the area) to ask who they use, unless they're large enough to have a staff vet. I take my ferret and rabbit to the exotics vet that works with the local zoo.
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Why?
I see this mentioned often.
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Because of the higher levels of protein in the diet. There are studies on it, and it is common :nod: My vet says the same thing, and I see the same in all my cats' bloodwook.... which is why it is important to tell your vet you feed raw, otherwise results can be mis-interpreted as a disease, especially as kidney troubles, when in reality all it is is the diet skewing the results.Why?
I see this mentioned often.
Some vets were calling for different baselines for raw-fed animals, but that hasn't been done.... So we just need to keep that in mind :nod:
Also, keep in mind that if the animal was fasting for a while, on the top of eating raw and drinking little to no water (as a raw-fed animal usually does), it is natural to be somewhat dehydrated by the time of the exam.
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Because of the higher levels of protein in the diet. There are studies on it, and it is common
Thank you very very much Gail. He seems to be acting normally. As normal, as, he ever actsLoki
That is exactly, what, my vet says. I am just a major worry wart over Loki
I can only say, my pure African Serval, when, he was alive had the same issues RE: blood work. My F1 Bengal did too So, I am guessing it is an exotic or hybrid exotic cat issue. I miss them both
So after reading through all the other responses, sounds to me like it's a raw fed exotic that might have been slightly dehydrated at the time of the blood test. 
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So after reading through all the other responses, sounds to me like it's a raw fed exotic that might have been slightly dehydrated at the time of the blood test.
Lastly, I am not sure, how, exotic an F3 Savannah really is
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