Frisky's Pate: What is this godawful stuff?

After ALL thus debate,feral cats are lucky to make it 5 yrs in wild,farm cats little better if smart and "looked over" by owner,house cats....well you guys know the answers.I have personally known 6 or more to make it late teens, 1 mean siamese made 20+ yrs. How long would you make it in wild world?? ALL reading doesn't make common sense,reality does.Sorry to bring reality back.

multicatowner said:

After ALL thus debate,feral cats are lucky to make it 5 yrs in wild,farm cats little better if smart and "looked over" by owner,house cats....well you guys know the answers.I have personally known 6 or more to make it late teens, 1 mean siamese made 20+ yrs. How long would you make it in wild world?? ALL reading doesn't make common sense,reality does.Sorry to bring reality back.

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The dangers of the outside are many, which is why we keep our pets inside. This has increased their lifespan dramatically. The diet of a feral cat - unless it includes being poisoned, is not why they live short lives.

Not sure what reality you're talking about. But for people that care for cats in managed colonies using trap-neuter-return for feral cat management, well - here's a national survey that gives you an idea of what life can be like for them.

If you need proof that many cats can live long lives in colonies: One quarter of the groups report that their colony cats are 6 to 8 years old. Thirty-five percent report their cats are between 9 and 12 years old, and over 14% report feral cats 13 years old and some even older

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http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/alley-cat-rescues-national-feral-cat-survey-157263395.html

LDG said:

multicatowner said:

After ALL thus debate,feral cats are lucky to make it 5 yrs in wild,farm cats little better if smart and "looked over" by owner,house cats....well you guys know the answers.I have personally known 6 or more to make it late teens, 1 mean siamese made 20+ yrs. How long would you make it in wild world?? ALL reading doesn't make common sense,reality does.Sorry to bring reality back.

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The dangers of the outside are many, which is why we keep our pets inside. This has increased their lifespan dramatically. The diet of a feral cat - unless it includes being poisoned, is not why they live short lives.

Not sure what reality you're talking about. But for people that care for cats in managed colonies using trap-neuter-return for feral cat management, well - here's a national survey that gives you an idea of what life can be like for them.

If you need proof that many cats can live long lives in colonies: One quarter of the groups report that their colony cats are 6 to 8 years old. Thirty-five percent report their cats are between 9 and 12 years old, and over 14% report feral cats 13 years old and some even older

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http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/alley-cat-rescues-national-feral-cat-survey-157263395.html

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don't forget Grandmom, aka Snowbell (original boardwalk cat) that lived to 20.

multicatowner said:

Feral management is liberal cause to use.

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a liberal cause to use? while it is quite difficult to decipher your meaning, i would be willing to bet that there are at least a few authoritarians that are involved in it. i am not aware of any studies on the makeup of people involved in it so i can not be certain.

Reality was the management in past,AKA,morality. People and animals live longer because of advances in many areas.

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assuming you mean mortality, that is not entirely true -

"Average life expectancy is falling in many parts of the United States and for many demographic groups, most notably women" Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington in Seattle 2011

Cats were tools,now people make them pets and wonder why they chase birds,mice,snakes.

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i don't recall ever hearing a person question a cat's predatory instincts but perhaps some have done just that.

You people are debating on best grain to feed your carnivals.

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although i have never tried to feed a carnival i tend to think that grains would be appropriate, seeing that the origin of the word means removal of meat. italian carnevale, alteration of earlier carnelevare. carne = flesh (from latin carn-, caro), + levare = to remove, from latin.

Come back to reality, Thats why farmers dont name livestock!!

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why is it we name ships?

Whaler,carnival is meat eater,I dont know Latin,but I know that.Felines are meat eaters.Thus their use as pest control.Have you ever seen a cat go after live mouse?They are not in it for fun long if they  are hungry. Was said the Main Coon was on Mayflower for mice control.A tool for man to use to control lose of grain[cats dont eat grain] Feral management is nice way for liberals to ok the use of kill shelters.Spay/nueter is best at worst. I say that because,without strays,who will keep pest control down.Poisens are not the answers,remember DDT.It almost wiped out our national symbol. Those who forget the past are doomed to relive it.We must live with nature inorder for nature to live with us.Man changes nature and nature strike back.Man dont hunt anymore[to nasty for general public] so we have a over abondance of wildlife.Deer,turkeys,Coons,possuums,etc,etc,etc.Now you have deer getting run over and people are mad.Why is that deer in my way?? Because you[man] put a road in Bambi front yard!! THATS REALITY PEOPLE!!

Anybody has different view of reality, PLEASE feel free to PM me with time you can spend with farm vet,I'm sure I can find a real vet to show what reality is.Sit behind your computers and order your meat online,or be quiet on reality.Get your hands dirty to put meat on your own table by own hands.

And Whaler,by the way,boats are named by owner,not mfg.Did you name your pet or was it given to you with a name?DUU

multicat owner, I really don't know what your point is. :dk:

I feed my cats a raw food diet - meat, bones, organs. But the vast majority of people with cats as pets feed commercially made food. And they need to figure out what food to feed, and it's not straightforward.

In this thread, we are not figuring out which grains to feed. Many people don't stop to think that cats are not just carnivores, but obligate carnivores, and what that means. But many people feed a grain-free diet of the options available to them.

I have NO idea what you're saying about feral management being a way for liberals to OK kill shelters. You're wrong. In fact, TNR is the way to keep feral cats OUT of kill shelters, and is one of the primary tenets of a NO KILL nation.

Friskies:  haven't had any with a foul odor.

I feed Friskies to our feral-born - better than just kibble.  

When we can afford it I give them better food, but feeding 12 feral-born Outside cats is an expensive task - especially on a retired person's income.  

I take heart only because I believe feeding them canned food is better than just all dry kibble food. I do feed Taste of the Wild dry - supposed to be a premium brand.

They also get raw food (chicken) almost on a daily basis.

I don't know what they catch for themselves, I think they've about depleted our bird population, as well as taking care of the fruit rat population around our yard.

So, unless I become a very wealthy person, I do the best I can to feed the former "homeless", and for now it's mostly Friskies Paté, and Shreds, with a little Weruva, Trader Joes, Wellness, Innova, and Felidae when I can.  

Well LDG, you are a star in the clouds.As well as raw meat diet,what grains do you add,lil rice,lil corn,lil beans.Nature built the feline,best man can do is sub it to meet their needs.I'm really tired of man trying to run nature.I am guest of nature,do no harm unless harm brought to him.I have given blood ,sweat ,and many tears to small creatures.Raised orphan rabbits,[by neighbors mower] in house of 4 cats.Released to nature in wildlife habitate.I knew they could be hawk meat,but hawks need to eat.I gave them better chance then mower.

multicatowner said:

Well LDG, you are a star in the clouds.As well as raw meat diet,what grains do you add,lil rice,lil corn,lil beans.Nature built the feline,best man can do is sub it to meet their needs.I'm really tired of man trying to run nature.I am guest of nature,do no harm unless harm brought to him.I have given blood ,sweat ,and many tears to small creatures.Raised orphan rabbits,[by neighbors mower] in house of 4 cats.Released to nature in wildlife habitate.I knew they could be hawk meat,but hawks need to eat.I gave them better chance then mower.

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Multi - you really need to take your issues to the IMO Forum - I hope that you have enough Posts to be able to join in there.  

Your comments, here, seem slightly sarcastic - that is IF I'm reading them as you intended ??? - and  LDG doesn't deserve this sort of tone.

Moderators:  If I'm out of line - I'd appreciate you just deleting my post here.  Thanks!  g

multicatowner said:

Well LDG, you are a star in the clouds.As well as raw meat diet,what grains do you add,lil rice,lil corn,lil beans.Nature built the feline,best man can do is sub it to meet their needs.I'm really tired of man trying to run nature.I am guest of nature,do no harm unless harm brought to him.I have given blood ,sweat ,and many tears to small creatures.Raised orphan rabbits,[by neighbors mower] in house of 4 cats.Released to nature in wildlife habitate.I knew they could be hawk meat,but hawks need to eat.I gave them better chance then mower.

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Ummm... none. Cats don't need or eat grains. :scratch: :dk: I'm sorry, I find your style of writing very difficult to understand. Don't know if you're being facetious or not.

And yes, I have given blood, sweat, and many tears to many cats. Been rescuing and practicing TNR for over 10 years. Sadly, I "discovered" cats late in life.

I"M SORRY!! Did not to mean to sound hateful. I'm not.Just people try to make nature fit their needs.Loved all animals,[except possuums,know they kill kittens on farm,seen it,will shot possuums on site,virel creatures]I have fed feral cats low cost food.Something to eat is better than none. I must remember,all creatures, small and great, are Gods creations.I been on both sides of fence,animals as pets and livestock.Love pets better than livestock.My babies are the world to me!! do anything to keep them safe.Maybe thats why I hate possuums so much,would steal baby kittens on farm,maybe thats why I shot all I could find.I AM VERY SORRY IF I SOUNDED HATEFUL.Just know reality after 40+ yrs. Having to find lil ones dead or missing puts deep wounds in me.

Seeing that you kill any animals (and all wild animals will kill baby kittens, even toms do sometimes; mortality of feral/farmcat kittens is 90%+), saying that other people try to make nature fit their needs is sort of odd :dk:. I also don't understand your style of writing and so I really don't know what point you're trying to make. For/against feeding commercial food? For /against raw?

I'm pretty sure I understand what multicatowner is saying.

He/she was not insulting LDG at all. They were basically saying she is a blessing (hence "star in the clouds") and simply asking whether she adds anything non-meat into her cats' food.
Then he/she went on to say that they are tired of mankind's intrusion on nature. How we like to try and run it ourselves as though we know better.
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Minka, your right,felines are carnival by nature, that is  what I mean! People should have a very good idea were food come from.If not,please watch,NGC,

I think most people have a fairly decent idea of where their meat comes from. But I may be biased because I live in a farm state; maybe city people really don't know that beef comes from cows, I dunno :dk:.

Oh--carnivore, not carnival . A carnival is like a fair, or a big party. A carnivore is a meat eater.

Minka said:

I'm pretty sure I understand what multicatowner is saying.

He/she was not insulting LDG at all. They were basically saying she is a blessing (hence "star in the clouds") and simply asking whether she adds anything non-meat into her cats' food.
Then he/she went on to say that they are tired of mankind's intrusion on nature. How we like to try and run it ourselves as though we know better.

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Thanks for being the Translator, Minka!!     

Willowy said:

I think most people have a fairly decent idea of where their meat comes from. But I may be biased because I live in a farm state; maybe city people really don't know that beef comes from cows, I dunno :dk:.

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I don't think he literally means that people don't know beef comes from cows and pork from pigs, etc, but that they don't really think about the fact that someone has to kill it/that it has to die in order to get to their plate. If they had to do it themselves.. well, they'd be vegetarians. xD

GloriaJH said:

Thanks for being the Translator, Minka!!  :surf:   

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Haha, you're welcome.

I ran out of cat food about a week and 3 days ago and my bro was at walmart no way to go to petco so i asked him to pick up some friskies better then the other brands at walmart and he picked up severel cans and the Salmon flavor pate makes me want to vomite even a year ago the salmon stank whats with that flavor eww but the other flavors don't smell that bad thou