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Seal point, is it breed only ?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

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Hello there,

 

Whenever I search for seal point in cats, I always get Siamese, or Ragdoll or some breed.

 

Is seal point restricted to breeds only ? ( I am talking about chocolate deal point, if that makes a difference)

 

 

 I got a kitten, that has seal point, but is actually brown, while all info on seal point says that their body should be white/cream.

 

 

 

 

Her mother and several brothers are black, some long haired others no. So I am sure it is a cross breed, but don't understand why there is nothing on the net about seal point except in breed cats........

post #2 of 12

Seal-point and less often chocolate-point crop up in non-pedigrees from time to time, as has happened to you.  Very sweet kitten.

post #3 of 12
My aunt and uncle had a farm cat who always had pointed kittens. . .she was a regular brown tabby, the presumed father was their red tom, none of their parents were pointed. . .so who knows where the pointed gene came from? But, yes, moggies can have pointed kittens.
post #4 of 12
A pedigree seal point will have been bred for a clear coated body, a domestic of course is not

The point gene is carried, both parent need the gene but not to be pointed themselves and as they say recessive is forever, so you can go many generations before pointed kittens suddenly show up
post #5 of 12

I just want to say that is a beautiful kitten, and her coat color with her points makes her very different, but that collar is way too big and poses a danger.
 

post #6 of 12

Can't edit my first post, He may be a seal mink, they have points but darker body colour.

post #7 of 12

If his eyes stay blue he is seal-point.  If they go some other colour then yes, mink - Tonkinese pattern.

 

And am I dreaming or has one ear tip been cropped, as if he's been neutered in TNR?

post #8 of 12

And that darker color COULD mean the kitten has been out in the cold, or in a cold place, since the point color is dependent on temperature.
 

post #9 of 12

One-of-my-friends,has-a-cat,she-rescued-as-an-8-week-old-kitten,possibly,younger.He-looks-likes-the-old-apple-headed-Siamese,and-is-seal-point,and-he-has-blue-eyes.

 

All-breed-cats,started-out-as-domestic-cats,at-one-point-in-time,were-formed,per-say,at-some-breeders-whim,per-say,and-eventually,became-a-breed,recognized-by-CFA-or-TICA.

 

The-Scottish-Fold-came-about,back-in-the-early-60's,when-a-barn-cat,had-kittens,and-one,had-folded-ears,believe,from-memory,she-was-white,in-Scotland.Somebody-thought-it-would-be-cool?to-breed-for-that-trait,thus,the-Scottish-Folds,became-a-recognized-CFA-breed,in-the-late-70's.

 

Ragdolls-came-about-back-in-the-60's,by-Ann-Baker,in-CA,when-she-started-with-a-LH-domestic-cat,believe-she-was-white-too,and-bred-her-to-other-domestic-cats,then-the-traits,were-fine-tuned.

 

Some-breeds-came-about,from-mixing-one-or-more-breeds,until-they-got-the-traits-they-wanted.

 

Even-in-breed-cats,one-kitten-can-look-different,than-his-siblings.It-can-reach-back-generations,and-pull-a-trait-forward.Breeders-expand,on-that-trait,and-form,or-reform-a-breed.

 

The-Siamese-of-today,looks-nothing,like-the-apple-headed-Siamese-of-years-ago.The-Persian-of-today,with-the-smushed-in-face,looks-nothing-like-the-Persians-of-years-ago.We-had-one,back-in-the-60's,a-register-Persian,of-champion-show-parents.She-looked-like-a-Maine-Coon.The-Exotic,is-an-offshoot,per-say,of-the-Persian.Same-smushed-in-face,but-the-coat-is-medium-length.

 

So,at-some-point-in-time,all-breed-cats,were-just-domestic-cats,and-because-it-can-reach-back-generations,thats-why-some-domestic-cats,look-like-a-breed-cat,it-had-to-come-from-somewhere.

 

A-female-can-be-bred-by-more-than-one-male,and-the-resulting-kittens,can-have-more-than-one-father,and-thats-why,some-kittens-in-a-litter,look-so-different.Could-be-too,a-breed-cat,bred-to-a-another-breed-cat,female-got-out,bred-by-a-domestic-cat,boom,now-they-have-kittens,that-some-might-look-like-the-breed.Lots-of-oops-breedings-happen.

 

I-probably-have-one.

 

Kitten-was-dropped-off-at-my-barn,approx-12-weeks-old,LH,she-has-the-head-type-and-body-type-of-a-Persian,smushed-in-face,but-the-nose-is-normal.She-is-a-brown-mac-tabby,which-that-is-a-very-common-domestic-color.My-theory-is,the-momma-Persian-got-out.

 

You-can-read-about-the-CFA-breeds.

 

http://www.cfainc.org/client/breeds.aspx

 

History-of-cat-breeds.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_breeds#Breeds

post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thank you all for the replies, I wasn't sure it went through.

 

Kitten has no ear chopped or anything, I am even having a problem getting them fixed but I suspect that I might eventually have to do it, I am still considering if to do 1 instead of both of them ....

 

  And as for the large collar, I had just put it on before adjusting it ( finding out how to)  and the kittens were hiding so good, that for a moment I thought someone broke-in and stole them. Her brother is in the back, all black.

 

Eventually got them these bell collars so I could hear them, although now I can tell simply by listening to what is being pushed around.

 

 

I have never come across a seal point that had such a brown body, and only on this site that I found a picture of a seal point blue cat, which looked a bit odd, my kitten is prettier rub.gif
 

post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by EdUK View Post

 I am even having a problem getting them fixed but I suspect that I might eventually have to do it, I am still considering if to do 1 instead of both of them ....

 

What's the problem you're having getting them fixed?

 

Both need to be done, if female cycling in and out of heat is dangerous and can be deadly, there are also cancers that are prevented by spaying before the first heat cycle.

Likewise males are healthier if neutered, many entire boys are rowdy and will spray urine around the home - which stinks to high heaven. There are also cancer risks with keeping males entire. 

post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by EdUK View Post

 and only on this site that I found a picture of a seal point blue cat, which looked a bit odd, my kitten is prettier rub.gif

 

seal = black, blue = blue. You can't have a cat that is seal and blue at the same time, blue is the dilution of black (seal).

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