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Please do some reading and educate yourself about a proper raw food diet: http://catcentric.org/

You are the one that needs to educate yourself. Cats are domesticated animals. Again, this is an animal that has been domesticated since 8,000 BC! They are not wild animals. Raw meat contains salmonella, e.coli, listeria and other bacteria.

LillyDSH said:

I recommend a medication called Pancrezyme for pancreatitis. I also recommend talking to your vet about PancreVed. But, I don't recommend feeding a raw diet because it is very dangerous to everyone in the household.

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This is dangerous advice. Pancrezyme requires a prescription, and is meant for animals with pancreatic insufficiency. Very few cases of pancreatitis are due to pancreatic insufficiency. This is something a vet would prescribe AFTER tests establish that pancreatic insufficiency exists. PancreVed is also indicated for use with exocrine pancreatic insufficiency.

As to the raw diet, you may want to learn more about it before calling it dangerous. In the U.S. there are many commercial raw foods that are treated with a process called high pressure pasteurization, and these are pathogen-free guaranteed: http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2012/10/22/sterile-raw-pet-food.aspx

Most non-vegetarians know how to properly handle meat, so if making homemade, preparing food for our pets is no more dangerous than preparing food for ourselves.

There have been no incidents reported of salmonella (or other bacterial infections) reported in people as a result of handling raw food for a pet, whereas there have been over 140 such incidents reported by people handling contaminated kibble.

Perhaps you are not aware of the CDC's kibble handling recommendations?

Serving up a meal for your pet? Here are preparation tips:

• Wash hands right after handling pet food and treats
  
• Washing your hands is the most important step to preventing illness.
  
• Wash your hands for 20 seconds with water and soap right after handling pet food and treats, and especially before preparing, serving or eating food, drinks or preparing baby bottles
  
• It is important to follow good kitchen hygiene practices when handling pet food, just as you would when you handle human food. When possible, feed your pet in areas other than the kitchen.
  
• Avoid washing your pet’s food and water dishes in the kitchen sink or bathtub in order to prevent cross-contamination.
  
• Do not use the pet’s feeding bowl as a scooping utensil – use a clean, dedicated scoop, spoon, or cup. If there is no alternative, clean and disinfect the sink after washing pet food items. Infants should not be bathed in kitchen sinks because of the risk of cross-contamination.
  
• Do not use the pet’s feeding bowl as a scooping utensil – use a clean, dedicated scoop, spoon, or cup.

Storing pet food and treats? Here are storage tips:

• When possible, store pet food away from any area where human food is stored or prepared.
  
• If possible, store dry pet food in its original bag inside a clean, dedicated plastic container with a lid, keeping the top of the bag folded or closed.

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Feeding your pet? Here are feeding tips:

• When possible, avoid feeding your pet in the kitchen to prevent getting germs found in pet food on “people” food.
  
• Keep children 5 years and younger away from areas where pets are fed to help prevent illness and injury.
  
• Wash your hands right after feeding your pets.
  
• Children younger than 5 years of age should not be allowed to touch or eat pet food, treats, or supplements and should be kept away from pet feeding areas to prevent illness and injury.

So... if feeding dry food, don't feed pets in the kitchen, don't wash their dishes in the kitchen or bathtub; if you do wash their dishes in the sink, disinfect it immediately afterwards; don't handle kibble with your hands, don't let your children near it, do a lot of hand washing...

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LillyDSH said:

You are the one that needs to educate yourself. Cats are domesticated animals. Again, this is an animal that has been domesticated since 8,000 BC! They are not wild animals. Raw meat contains salmonella, e.coli, listeria and other bacteria.

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Lilly, our domestic cats are genetically identical to the African Wildcat:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/06/070628-cat-ancestor_2.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-taming-of-the-cat

The study: http://www.mobot.org/plantscience/resbot/repr/add/domesticcat_driscoll2007.pdf

Thank you LDG!!!  

Domestic cats are NOT genetically identical to the African Wildcat. In fact, they are separate species. None of my advice is dangerous. Pancrezyme is used to treat PID and restore healthy weight in cats with PID. Pancrezyme is a form of pancreatic enzymes.

LillyDSH said:

Raw meat is filled with salmonella. It's also found in raw eggs. 80% of raw meat and eggs is infected with salmonella. A lot of raw meat also contains campylobacter!

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Please use accurate numbers.

The USDA Quarterly Progress Report on Salmonella and Campylobacter Testing of Selected Raw Meat and Poultry Products: Preliminary Results, April 2013-June 2013: http://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal...terly-reports-salmonella/q2-cy2013/q2-cy-2013

During the last quarter:

There were 8,601 samples collected and analyzed for the PR/HACCP Verification program.
There were only 165 total PR/HACCP samples collected for ground poultry because sampling of these products was suspended at the start of the NRTE Comminuted Poultry Exploratory Sampling project.
The Salmonella percent positive for each product were as follows:
Young Chicken – 2.6% (2,955 samples)
Ground Beef – 1.3% (4,844 samples)
Ground Chicken – 15.0% (140 samples)
Ground Turkey – 16.0% (25 samples)
Turkey – 3.0% (637 samples)
There were 3,592 samples co-analyzed for Campylobacter, with the following percent positive results:
Young Chicken – 5.7% (2,955 samples)
Turkeys – 3.1% (637 samples)

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I am using accurate numbers. These are probably from fresh meat sources, not ones that have been sitting on the shelves or in your refrigerator for any time. The Domestic Cat and the African Wild Cat are two separate species.

LillyDSH said:

Domestic cats are NOT genetically identical to the African Wildcat.

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I just posted a report published in ScienceExpress in 2007 that proves they are.

If you have more recent research, please provide it.

LillyDSH said:

In fact, they are separate species. None of my advice is dangerous. Pancrezyme is used to treat PID and restore healthy weight in cats with PID. Pancrezyme is a form of pancreatic enzymes.

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Pancrezyme: http://www.1800petmeds.com/Pancrezyme-prod10345.html

Pancrezyme (pancreatic enzymes) is used to treat pancreatic insufficiency or maldigestion syndrome. It's used in pets whose bodies are not making a sufficient amount of pancreatic enzymes. Pancrezyme requires a prescription from your veterinarian.

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Pancreatitis is NOT the same as EPI or maldigestion syndrome, and cats with pancreatitis rarely have a problem with creating a sufficient amount of pancreatic enzymes.

THIS is pancreatitis: http://www.idexx.com/pubwebresource...ng-pancreatitis-and-concurrent-conditions.pdf

LillyDSH said:

I am using accurate numbers. These are probably from fresh meat sources, not ones that have been sitting on the shelves or in your refrigerator for any time. The Domestic Cat and the African Wild Cat are two separate species.

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I just posted numbers from the USDA.

Please provide your source.

I'm sorry to break this to you, but Domestic Cats and African Wildcats are not genetically identical and are different species. If there was sufficient proof that they were identical, taxonomic standings would be revised. Pancrezyme is used for cats that don't produce sufficient pancreatic enzymes.

The report, available online: http://www.facstaff.bucknell.edu/sdjordan/PDFs/Driscoll Science Cat.pdf

From the report:


Yes, they are separate species.

The African WIldcat is Felis silvestris lybica and the domestic cat is Felis silvestris catus

Sadly, they are able to mate, and conservation programs are in place to protect the African Wildcat gene pool from becoming completely corrupt by breeding with feral domestic cats.

LillyDSH said:

 
You are the one that needs to educate yourself. Cats are domesticated animals. Again, this is an animal that has been domesticated since 8,000 BC! They are not wild animals. Raw meat contains salmonella, e.coli, listeria and other bacteria.

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I work for a vet, as well as my father is a vet and my feeding raw is 100% approved and backed by both of them, I have been feeding my dog (who is immune compromised) a 100% RAW diet for 3 years now, it has been the best thing I have ever done for her.  She is off of 7 of the daily medications she was on for various issues, has clean fecals twice a year, and no one in my house has contracted any diseases from it, nor has she.  You really should educate yourself more on feeding a raw diet.

I know of several people with IBD kitties who have had very good luck with a raw diet.  I wish my IBD kitty would eat raw but it has been a struggle to get him on canned with a little cooked diet.

I can pull up a "scientific report" on how the Giant Polar Bear isn't extinct. That doesn't mean it's true. Cats can interbreed with any other Wildcat subspecies, Jungle Cats, Sand Cats, and Black-Footed Cats. That doesn't mean they are all genetically identical species.

I do understand how data can be manipulated. I fight it all the time in cat predation work. That said, facts are facts. We're not debating about polar bears being extinct. We're debating the digestive system of the domestic cat.

Domestic cats, in the 9,000 years or so of domestication, have not evolved systems to efficiently manage anything other than the diet of the obligate carnivore.

Morris, JG 2007. Idiosyncratic nutrient requirements of cats appear to be diet-induced evolutionary adaptations, Nutrition Research Reviews / Volume 15 / Issue 01 / June 2002, pp 153-168. Full Report Available for free.

Plantinga et al. 2011. Estimation of the dietary nutrient profile of free-roaming feral cats: possible implications for nutrition of domestic cats, British Journal of Nutrition / Volume 106 / Supplement S1 / October 2011, pp S35-S48. Full Report Available for free.

And a report by Waltham researchers published earlier in 2011 had already confirmed that our domestic PET cats, when given the opportunity, choose a diet that from a macronutrient standpoint is similar to that of the feral cats in the Plantinga study (above).

Hewson-Hughes et al. 2011. Geometric analysis of macronutrient selection in the adult domestic cat, J Exp Biol 214, 1039-1051. http://jeb.biologists.org/content/214/6/1039.full#R22

As a VT, I will stick with what I've been taught in an AVMA accredited program. I follow AVMA guidelines and I don't believe everything I read online. That is just ridiculous! The Domestic Cat is a carnivore, yes. Technically, since cat's CAN be fed vegan/vegetarian diets, I wouldn't classify them as obligate carnivores; just carnivores.

Clearly the AVMA classes are deficient, and obviously you are unable to read research and draw your own conclusions. No wonder so many vets sell subpar foods, and 85% of our cats suffer from dental disease; cats are 7x more likely to develop CRF than dogs, and diabetes is up 50% in the past 5 years.

I don't believe everything I read online either. That's why I provide my sources.

Try googling "Are Cats Carnivores"  About the 3rd or 4th one down is an article by Cornell with reference to the American Association of Feline Practitioners that clearly states that cats are OBLIGATE CARNIVORES.    Just because I can eat candy bars doesn't mean I should.  Most AVMA Accredited programs nutrition classes are sponsored by Hills, Purina and/or Royal Canin, who push feeding cats carbohydrate loaded diets that are inappropriate for them.  Do some research.

OMG!!!!! I am mortified that you would even suggest a cat be a vegan or a vegetarian!!! Just recently a kitty was found to be near death because it's parents were feeding it vegan and they were charged with animal cruelty. I am just mortified! Cats need MEAT and CANNOT absorb Vitamins and minerals like B12 through vegetables. B12 can only be absorbed through MEAT! You should know this!! Without B12, cats will suffer muscle waste, depression, lethargy, malabsorption, gastroenteritis, etc. I'm sickened by this, I really am.