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montmorillonite clay in nature's variety instinct chicken formula canned cat food.

post #1 of 30
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i recently have been researching nature's variety instinct canned cat food as an add-on to what i'm feeding my kitties now (innova, wellness). however, upon reading the ingredients i noticed the company uses montmorillonite clay as an "anti-caking" ingredient. i'm wondering how safe this is. excuse my ignorance, but i've never heard of clay being used in canned pet food. i've read the use of this clay has been approved by the usda. i'm wondering about other people's experiences with this canned food. thank you for reading...

 

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post #2 of 30
When I was feeding Nature's Variety, my cats did really well on it and liked it. agree.gif When I used the canned, I just picked out the peas and carrots - there's not many of them and they're whole, so easy to remove. laughing02.gif It's a high protein, low carb food, and of the choices out there.... I liked it for my kitties.

There's been a lot of discussion about that montmorillonite clay on here. Here's the most recent - the discussion started a while back, and started up again: http://www.thecatsite.com/t/239950/questions-about-commercial-raw/90#post_3176937

Personally, the ingredient does not cause me concern. It's one of the few high protein, low carb canned foods without carrageenan, and that's an ingredient causes me more concern than the montmorillonite clay - but that's me. smile.gif
post #3 of 30
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When I was feeding Nature's Variety, my cats did really well on it and liked it. agree.gif When I used the canned, I just picked out the peas and carrots - there's not many of them and they're whole, so easy to remove. laughing02.gif It's a high protein, low carb food, and of the choices out there.... I liked it for my kitties.
There's been a lot of discussion about that montmorillonite clay on here. Here's the most recent - the discussion started a while back, and started up again: http://www.thecatsite.com/t/239950/questions-about-commercial-raw/90#post_3176937
Personally, the ingredient does not cause me concern. It's one of the few high protein, low carb canned foods without carrageenan, and that's an ingredient causes me more concern than the montmorillonite clay - but that's me. smile.gif

 

i've just read the thread you recommended. thank you for that. so, apparently nature's variety uses both the sodium and calcium version of the clay. i'm still not sure if i'm going to feed this food to my pets. it's frustrating and upsetting when one is trying to feed as natural a pet food as possible. (excluding raw, of course.) thank you, again...

 

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post #4 of 30
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Originally Posted by LDG View Post

When I was feeding Nature's Variety, my cats did really well on it and liked it. agree.gif When I used the canned, I just picked out the peas and carrots - there's not many of them and they're whole, so easy to remove. laughing02.gif It's a high protein, low carb food, and of the choices out there.... I liked it for my kitties.
There's been a lot of discussion about that montmorillonite clay on here. Here's the most recent - the discussion started a while back, and started up again: http://www.thecatsite.com/t/239950/questions-about-commercial-raw/90#post_3176937
Personally, the ingredient does not cause me concern. It's one of the few high protein, low carb canned foods without carrageenan, and that's an ingredient causes me more concern than the montmorillonite clay - but that's me. smile.gif

 

i just read the thread you recommended. it's frustrating and upsetting to learn that a company dedicated to natural pet food as nature's variety is using a dangerous ingredient. that they use both forms of the clay in question (sodium and calcium) will most likely cause me to stay away from it. i'm now seriously thinking about adding weruva to my kitties diet now. even with the low fat content. (good for the older ones, not so good for the kitten.) thank you for your resonse! :)

 

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post #5 of 30
Every food NV makes has that ingredient. Makes me wonder. They must have a cheap source, is my conclusion. Their claim is that it "removes toxins".

I won't feed NV at all, on principle. Not only do all their lines have the clay, they put fruits and vegetables in everything. And..their customer service is not all that great, they don't take criticism well, in my experience. laughing02.gif Anything you ask, you get a smoke screen answer or links to studies that are 2, 4 even 10 years old.

Before I formed my opinion of NV I did try some of their canned foods. Jennie is the only one who would eat it, the canned food is extremely high in calories, and it raised Mazy's urine pH.

(edit) I just checked their ingredient glossary. I notice it no longer says that the clay "removes toxins". Hmmmmm. Or maybe I read that somewhere else.

http://www.naturesvariety.com/ingredients/list/M
post #6 of 30
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Every food NV makes has that ingredient. Makes me wonder. They must have a cheap source, is my conclusion. Their claim is that it "removes toxins".
I won't feed NV at all, on principle. Not only do all their lines have the clay, they put fruits and vegetables in everything. And..their customer service is not all that great, they don't take criticism well, in my experience. laughing02.gif Anything you ask, you get a smoke screen answer or links to studies that are 2, 4 even 10 years old.
Before I formed my opinion of NV I did try some of their canned foods. Jennie is the only one who would eat it, the canned food is extremely high in calories, and it raised Mazy's urine pH.
(edit) I just checked their ingredient glossary. I notice it no longer says that the clay "removes toxins". Hmmmmm. Or maybe I read that somewhere else.
http://www.naturesvariety.com/ingredients/list/M

 

thank you for this, ottto!

 

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post #7 of 30
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Every food NV makes has that ingredient. Makes me wonder. They must have a cheap source, is my conclusion. Their claim is that it "removes toxins".
I won't feed NV at all, on principle. Not only do all their lines have the clay, they put fruits and vegetables in everything. And..their customer service is not all that great, they don't take criticism well, in my experience. laughing02.gif Anything you ask, you get a smoke screen answer or links to studies that are 2, 4 even 10 years old.
Before I formed my opinion of NV I did try some of their canned foods. Jennie is the only one who would eat it, the canned food is extremely high in calories, and it raised Mazy's urine pH.
(edit) I just checked their ingredient glossary. I notice it no longer says that the clay "removes toxins". Hmmmmm. Or maybe I read that somewhere else.
http://www.naturesvariety.com/ingredients/list/M

 

thank you for this, ottto!

 

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post #8 of 30
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i just read the thread you recommended. it's frustrating and upsetting to learn that a company dedicated to natural pet food as nature's variety is using a dangerous ingredient. that they use both forms of the clay in question (sodium and calcium) will most likely cause me to stay away from it. i'm now seriously thinking about adding weruva to my kitties diet now. even with the low fat content. (good for the older ones, not so good for the kitten.) thank you for your resonse! smile.gif

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Well, NV sure isn't being very helpful in clearing up the questions about it, that's for sure!
post #9 of 30
Weruva is a good food, no carrageenan in most, no menadione, but it is really really high in carbs.

Here is the nutrient profile chart Dr Lisa Pierson has been working on. the amount of work she put into this is incredible.

http://www.catinfo.org/docs/Food%20Chart%20Public%209-22-12.pdf
post #10 of 30
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Weruva is a good food, no carrageenan in most, no menadione, but it is really really high in carbs.
Here is the nutrient profile chart Dr Lisa Pierson has been working on. the amount of work she put into this is incredible.
http://www.catinfo.org/docs/Food%20Chart%20Public%209-22-12.pdf

ty, otto. maybe better to add it as a rotational food?

 

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post #11 of 30
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ty, otto. maybe better to add it as a rotational food?

jlc20m

Yes, Weruva Nine Livers is fed in rotation to one of my cats. She gets it once a week. Even though it's high in carbs, it's low in calories and contains no carraggenan or menadione. The other two do not eat it. smile.gif
post #12 of 30

Hi All


There are a wide variety of clays around the world that are used for an even wider variety of uses. Some of the very best clays are extremely beneficial and therapeutic and many people including myself mix pure calcium bentonite clay with water and drink it daily. Others bathe in it and others yet make poultices and use it for body wraps. On the other end of the spectrum, low grade clays are used industrially in oil refining and drilling. Many kitty litters use a low grade clay as well because of their absorbent properties. Sodium bentonite means that is a predominant mineral in the clay and calcium bentonite means calcium is the predominant mineral behind silica dioxide. Sodium bentonites typically have a much greater absorption ability and are typically of lower quality/grade than a calcium bentonite.

 

Clay in pet food can be a good thing provided the clay is of a high quality. A good quality clay DOES remove toxins. Ask the manufacturer for their 1. mineral analysis and 2. microbial analysis. The former will tell you what minerals are dominant in the clay (silica dioxide is almost always #1 ingredient) and the latter will prove that the clay is 'clean' and has been tested for pathogens such as e.coli, salmonella and the like. Many veterinarians including Dr. Al Plechner, DVM, and Anne Smith, DVM recommend calcium bentonite clay for pet use.There are also M.Ds (Dr. Bill Kellis, Dr. Kemyar Hedayat) and chiropractors (Dr. Greg Melvin, Dr. Jim Pollard) that recommend same for people use. Just do your research and pass any clay through the two filters I suggest and you'll be good to go.


Hope this helps. I will cross post on the other thread mentioned.

post #13 of 30
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Originally Posted by LivingClay View Post

Hi All


There are a wide variety of clays around the world that are used for an even wider variety of uses. Some of the very best clays are extremely beneficial and therapeutic and many people including myself mix pure calcium bentonite clay with water and drink it daily. Others bathe in it and others yet make poultices and use it for body wraps. On the other end of the spectrum, low grade clays are used industrially in oil refining and drilling. Many kitty litters use a low grade clay as well because of their absorbent properties. Sodium bentonite means that is a predominant mineral in the clay and calcium bentonite means calcium is the predominant mineral behind silica dioxide. Sodium bentonites typically have a much greater absorption ability and are typically of lower quality/grade than a calcium bentonite.

 

Clay in pet food can be a good thing provided the clay is of a high quality. A good quality clay DOES remove toxins. Ask the manufacturer for their 1. mineral analysis and 2. microbial analysis. The former will tell you what minerals are dominant in the clay (silica dioxide is almost always #1 ingredient) and the latter will prove that the clay is 'clean' and has been tested for pathogens such as e.coli, salmonella and the like. Many veterinarians including Dr. Al Plechner, DVM, and Anne Smith, DVM recommend calcium bentonite clay for pet use.There are also M.Ds (Dr. Bill Kellis, Dr. Kemyar Hedayat) and chiropractors (Dr. Greg Melvin, Dr. Jim Pollard) that recommend same for people use. Just do your research and pass any clay through the two filters I suggest and you'll be good to go.


Hope this helps. I will cross post on the other thread mentioned.

yes, very helpful. thank you!

 

jlc20m

post #14 of 30

Well I don't work for a company that makes money shoving clay into pet food but I have been reading for years about dangerous clay kitty litter is for cats because they lick it and it clumps inside them - they can't digest it and it keeps absorbing moisture like yeast - which cats also aren't supposed to eat - and eventually they die because of the clots that form in their body. I don't see how this is any different and I have never heard of humans eating clay - putting it on their face yes - but never eating it. I don't care what kind of clay it is - if it is absorbent - and all clay is - then common sense tells you that a 10 pound cat should not be ingesting it. This food also boosts that cats gain weight on it - well sure. They have lumps inside them. Sorry - no sale on this clay. I know mendione & carrageenan are very dangerous - so is copper sulfate & sodium selenite - but that doesn't mean I'm going to exchange one toxic poison for another. I have to agree on the Werever truluxe brand too - it is expensive but I bought it to enter into a rotation with home cooked foods using altunin and other brands like Hounds & Gatos, Firstmate, Tiki - I'm nervous because it is made in thailand though & the company has a track record of recalls though so I won't make it their basic food.  But anything with clay goes right out the window - they are just experimenting now with cheap ingredients to see what they can get away with - sorry - stick to the basics and stop using this untested long term fillers - and that includes cranberries. Just because there is an overproduction of cranberries and farmers are selling it cheap - it doesn't mean it should keep getting plastered into cat food. It has benzoic acid - poison - aspirin contains that which is why it is poison - please stop treating pet food owners like idiots.

post #15 of 30
I have used Weruva in the past,and while it is a good food, I don't like to feed my cats just that. It has a lot of potato starch and gums in it but nevertheless, it is better than all that other garbage U find in the grocery store. I also feed Hounds and Gatos, and am lucky enough to have found a local store who orders it for us. I mix their canned food with Tiki cat chicken, or the Stella and Chewy's freeze dried raw, very healthy and no one has complained.. I always mix two foods together so there is variety. i use natures Variety, in the mix and although they use clay, it has very little in it. Wellness uses a lot of fruit and veggies in their food,which cats do not need, therefore I don't use this food any more, plus they still add the caraneengan in it which can cause toxicity in cats if used for long periods. So I feel that every catfood has the negs and the pos, too much starch, caraneengan, clay, etc,,, Try the Stella and Chewys freeze dried raw, it is pricey, but U will save on vet bills, Also invest in a cat water fountain A must for all cat owners !!!!!!!! Drinkwell sells some great fountains for a great price !!! Your cats will drink more water and be healthier!!! And as far as dry kibble ? Feed it only as a snack per my Cats only veternarian. Our cats do not eat dry kibble in the wild .
post #16 of 30
Why not try Hounds and Gatos canned food?I don't know if it is available where U live, but U can order it online. I also use Stella and Chewys freeze dried raw,soaked in some warm water and add to their canned food My cats don't know what hit them and the'rs all healthier. One of my cats had diarrhea from almost anything she ate, and now her poops are well formed !!!! I like Natures Variety.but use it as a rotational diet,of course, mixed with freeze dried raw. Hope this helped!!!
post #17 of 30
Try hounds and gatos canned food, and mix weruva in it . My cats love the variety and good for them !!!!
post #18 of 30
I like NVI cat food, but I never feed it alone. I like to mix Weruva or tiki cat in it for variety, and my cats love it. I heard that the clay they use, is a high quality clay to remove toxins from the body, and they just use a little. But if U are still worried, try the Hounds and Gatos,canned food, if u can't get it locally, U can order it online.
post #19 of 30
"Animals, domestic and wild alike, are instinctually drawn to clay deposits have been observed licking the clay as part of their everyday diet, and rolling in it to obtain relief from injuries." Source: http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/Earth/Montmorillonite.aspx#sthash.RZ4foh8O.dpuf

Also, cranberries are not a 'cheap food just thrown in for filler'. They are great for cats with urinary tract issues and can help prevent kidney disease. Bluberries (which is in this particular food) contain antioxidants, which can help repair damaged kindey cells.
I was unsure about the clay too until I talked to a cat breeder who gave me the link above. It does provide calcium, which is essential specifically for growing kittens. If animals are eating this in the wild, how is it wrong that our pets have some in their food?
post #20 of 30
Wow. I feel really unconfortable now about what I'm feeding my cats and the litter I'm using. My female has stomach issues and the only thing she seems to tolerate is turkey. I've been feeding NV Instinct limited ingredient turkey and I was a little concerned about the clay but I didn't want to feed gums or carrageenan either. I have read the ingredients for literally every wet food out there, as I'm sure most of you have. I feel like it's a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils. Now I'm a bit concerned, though. Which is worse, carrageenan, clay, or guar gum/xantham gum/agar agar?
post #21 of 30
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Wow. I feel really unconfortable now about what I'm feeding my cats and the litter I'm using. My female has stomach issues and the only thing she seems to tolerate is turkey. I've been feeding NV Instinct limited ingredient turkey and I was a little concerned about the clay but I didn't want to feed gums or carrageenan either. I have read the ingredients for literally every wet food out there, as I'm sure most of you have. I feel like it's a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils. Now I'm a bit concerned, though. Which is worse, carrageenan, clay, or guar gum/xantham gum/agar agar?

This particular clay will not harm her. The clay used in litters is different, and sometimes toxic. See my post above for a link with info on the clay contained in all. My male cat has tummy trouble too and he has had absolutly no problem transitioning to this food from Orijen.
post #22 of 30

There are some really decent canned foods out there -

 

Firstmate has none of the toxins or fruit/veggie fillers (cranberries contain benzoic acid - bad for animals) - available on Amazon.   Also I ordered from Chewy.com some others that seem relatively healthy -

 

there is Dave's The Cat's Meow - alot of Dave's unfortunately do contain cranberries &/or Carrageenan but not the Cat's Meow & I think there is a 95% turkey formula they put out that is also ok. The Tuna formulas are ok too but Tuna isn't great for cats & mine hate it anyway. Artemis has canned chicken & turkey formula you might want to check into - but not their dry food - that contains bisulfate mendione (synthetic vitamin K3 - the worst of all the toxins).  I also found some others that seem pretty good - depends on what your cat will eat -

 

Castor & Pollox (available at Fairway) has a turkey & salmon blend and a turkey with organic brown rice.

 

Natural Planet Organics (also available at chewy.com) has a chicken and a turkey flavor. Fromm Family puts out some nice chicken & turkey wet food too. I also looked into

 

Against the Grain and Feline Caviar which both looked ok but the Against the Grain is run by the Evangers siblings so that might be an issue & Feline Caviar wouldn't send samples so I'm not sure about that company either. Your own judgment but the ingredients seemed healthy. So does

 

Tiki chicken and Weruva Truluxe but they are made in Thailand and I am very concerned about the huge illegal dog meat trade there.

 

 Pure Vita is another - a bit concerned with the betaine (added salt) but otherwise seems ok - haven't sampled it yet. So there are a few that seem to be trying to fight the toxic ingredients and fillers that the others don't care about but check each label yourself.

 

Most of these have to be ordered online though as stock pet food stores & supermarkets don't carry them.

 

Last resort is to cook your own chicken, turkey & beef and shred it with added pre-packaged vitamin & liver supplements from Altunin.

 

I would definitely stay away from anything containing kitty litter (clay), garlic powder, cranberries, sulfate mendione (look that up - they use a lot of names to hide this very toxic ingredient), alfalfa, sodium ascorbate (promotes tumors in animals) and fishmeal (contains really really toxic ethoxquin which is also contained in purina cat treats & pill pockets contains toxins too). Not crazy about carrageenan or gums either. And Rachel Ray's nutrish is anything but - contains carragenan, sunflower oil & sawdust instead of protein from meat). Also if you can find copper protenate instead of copper sulfate you're better off too. The foods I listed were the best of the bunch and I checked dozens and dozens of labels. Some of them I have to mix shredded chicken into to entice the cats to eat but little by little they are learning to like the better foods.

post #23 of 30
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There are some really decent canned foods out there -

Firstmate has none of the toxins or fruit/veggie fillers (cranberries contain benzoic acid - bad for animals) - available on Amazon.   Also I ordered from Chewy.com some others that seem relatively healthy -

there is Dave's The Cat's Meow - alot of Dave's unfortunately do contain cranberries &/or Carrageenan but not the Cat's Meow & I think there is a 95% turkey formula they put out that is also ok. The Tuna formulas are ok too but Tuna isn't great for cats & mine hate it anyway. Artemis has canned chicken & turkey formula you might want to check into - but not their dry food - that contains bisulfate mendione (synthetic vitamin K3 - the worst of all the toxins).  I also found some others that seem pretty good - depends on what your cat will eat -

Castor & Pollox (available at Fairway) has a turkey & salmon blend and a turkey with organic brown rice.

Natural Planet Organics (also available at chewy.com) has a chicken and a turkey flavor. Fromm Family puts out some nice chicken & turkey wet food too. I also looked into

Against the Grain and Feline Caviar which both looked ok but the Against the Grain is run by the Evangers siblings so that might be an issue & Feline Caviar wouldn't send samples so I'm not sure about that company either. Your own judgment but the ingredients seemed healthy. So does

Tiki chicken and Weruva Truluxe but they are made in Thailand and I am very concerned about the huge illegal dog meat trade there.

 Pure Vita is another - a bit concerned with the betaine (added salt) but otherwise seems ok - haven't sampled it yet. So there are a few that seem to be trying to fight the toxic ingredients and fillers that the others don't care about but check each label yourself.

Most of these have to be ordered online though as stock pet food stores & supermarkets don't carry them.

Last resort is to cook your own chicken, turkey & beef and shred it with added pre-packaged vitamin & liver supplements from Altunin.

I would definitely stay away from anything containing kitty litter (clay), garlic powder, cranberries, sulfate mendione (look that up - they use a lot of names to hide this very toxic ingredient), alfalfa, sodium ascorbate (promotes tumors in animals) and fishmeal (contains really really toxic ethoxquin which is also contained in purina cat treats & pill pockets contains toxins too). Not crazy about carrageenan or gums either. And Rachel Ray's nutrish is anything but - contains carragenan, sunflower oil & sawdust instead of protein from meat). Also if you can find copper protenate instead of copper sulfate you're better off too. The foods I listed were the best of the bunch and I checked dozens and dozens of labels. Some of them I have to mix shredded chicken into to entice the cats to eat but little by little they are learning to like the better foods.
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Originally Posted by RemmieBrandt View Post

There are some really decent canned foods out there -

Firstmate has none of the toxins or fruit/veggie fillers (cranberries contain benzoic acid - bad for animals) - available on Amazon.   Also I ordered from Chewy.com some others that seem relatively healthy -

there is Dave's The Cat's Meow - alot of Dave's unfortunately do contain cranberries &/or Carrageenan but not the Cat's Meow & I think there is a 95% turkey formula they put out that is also ok. The Tuna formulas are ok too but Tuna isn't great for cats & mine hate it anyway. Artemis has canned chicken & turkey formula you might want to check into - but not their dry food - that contains bisulfate mendione (synthetic vitamin K3 - the worst of all the toxins).  I also found some others that seem pretty good - depends on what your cat will eat -

Castor & Pollox (available at Fairway) has a turkey & salmon blend and a turkey with organic brown rice.

Natural Planet Organics (also available at chewy.com) has a chicken and a turkey flavor. Fromm Family puts out some nice chicken & turkey wet food too. I also looked into

Against the Grain and Feline Caviar which both looked ok but the Against the Grain is run by the Evangers siblings so that might be an issue & Feline Caviar wouldn't send samples so I'm not sure about that company either. Your own judgment but the ingredients seemed healthy. So does

Tiki chicken and Weruva Truluxe but they are made in Thailand and I am very concerned about the huge illegal dog meat trade there.

 Pure Vita is another - a bit concerned with the betaine (added salt) but otherwise seems ok - haven't sampled it yet. So there are a few that seem to be trying to fight the toxic ingredients and fillers that the others don't care about but check each label yourself.

Most of these have to be ordered online though as stock pet food stores & supermarkets don't carry them.

Last resort is to cook your own chicken, turkey & beef and shred it with added pre-packaged vitamin & liver supplements from Altunin.

I would definitely stay away from anything containing kitty litter (clay), garlic powder, cranberries, sulfate mendione (look that up - they use a lot of names to hide this very toxic ingredient), alfalfa, sodium ascorbate (promotes tumors in animals) and fishmeal (contains really really toxic ethoxquin which is also contained in purina cat treats & pill pockets contains toxins too). Not crazy about carrageenan or gums either. And Rachel Ray's nutrish is anything but - contains carragenan, sunflower oil & sawdust instead of protein from meat). Also if you can find copper protenate instead of copper sulfate you're better off too. The foods I listed were the best of the bunch and I checked dozens and dozens of labels. Some of them I have to mix shredded chicken into to entice the cats to eat but little by little they are learning to like the better foods.
Feline Caviar has alfafa in it (on your list of 'don'ts') , and picky cats will NOT touch this. Not even my feral fosters would eat this, and they are far from picky.
"While no evidence points to cranberry toxicity, the nonprofit notes that the potential toxicity of another fruit, grapes, was wasn't known until the 21st century." - source: http://pets.thenest.com/cranberry-dogs-cats-6003.html. So while cranberries may prove minimal benifits, there is no evidence that it is toxic to pets. Many GREAT foods use it, and there is no way they would be rated so highly with no recalls if cranberries were toxic. Cats need a slighly acidic diet (dogs need neutral or sligtly alkaline).
Brown rice, really? Talk about a cheap filler. When do cats ever eat rice in the wild? At least their prey may be having some berries or veggies, but I haven't heard of a rabbit or mouse just eating rice. Rice or other grains can lead to impactions because a cats digestive system isn't used to digesting grain, specifically large amounts of grain.
As I've said earlier, animals have been observed willingly consuming this particular clay in NATURE. This is NOT the same clay as what kitty litter is made of. I am strongly against using clay litter, for nearly every single reason there is out there, but the clay in NV can be considered healthy. There are also trace amounts of diatomaceous earth, which is a natural way to rid your cat of internal parasites.
post #24 of 30
What about nutro natural choice chunky chicken loaf, my cat loves it
post #25 of 30
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What about nutro natural choice chunky chicken loaf, my cat loves it
Ingredients check out, other than the gum. So looks okay, but Nutro has had a few recalls in the past so always track them just to be safe
post #26 of 30

re: weruva, i've had excellent luck feeding their foods in the past.  do some research on their facility - weruva cat foods are made in a human-grade facility.  it's a family owned company and i've been very comfortable feeding it.  

 

re: montmorillonite clay in NVI, i've fed NVI regularly for at least 3 years and haven't had any issues.  montromorillonite clay has been used in holistic and natural health remedies for humans for a long time.  it's nothing like the cheap clay that litters are made of. 

post #27 of 30

I saw someone mention Evanger's. What's wrong with that brand? 

post #28 of 30

Food grade Montmorillonite clay is a great additive to pet foods. In addition to being an anti-caking agent, it is a trace mineral compound that has lots of benefits.

I give it to my cats in the food I make for them.

http://drplechner.com/learn/clay-for-pets/

There's a lot of other garbage in most pet foods that I'd be more concerned about.

post #29 of 30
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Originally Posted by RemmieBrandt View Post
 

Well I don't work for a company that makes money shoving clay into pet food but I have been reading for years about dangerous clay kitty litter is for cats because they lick it and it clumps inside them - they can't digest it and it keeps absorbing moisture like yeast - which cats also aren't supposed to eat - and eventually they die because of the clots that form in their body. I don't see how this is any different and I have never heard of humans eating clay - putting it on their face yes - but never eating it. I don't care what kind of clay it is - if it is absorbent - and all clay is - then common sense tells you that a 10 pound cat should not be ingesting it. This food also boosts that cats gain weight on it - well sure. They have lumps inside them. Sorry - no sale on this clay. I know mendione & carrageenan are very dangerous - so is copper sulfate & sodium selenite - but that doesn't mean I'm going to exchange one toxic poison for another. I have to agree on the Werever truluxe brand too - it is expensive but I bought it to enter into a rotation with home cooked foods using altunin and other brands like Hounds & Gatos, Firstmate, Tiki - I'm nervous because it is made in thailand though & the company has a track record of recalls though so I won't make it their basic food.  But anything with clay goes right out the window - they are just experimenting now with cheap ingredients to see what they can get away with - sorry - stick to the basics and stop using this untested long term fillers - and that includes cranberries. Just because there is an overproduction of cranberries and farmers are selling it cheap - it doesn't mean it should keep getting plastered into cat food. It has benzoic acid - poison - aspirin contains that which is why it is poison - please stop treating pet food owners like idiots. 

Ignorance is bliss but dangerous when others mistake it for truth. Not all companies that sell products are evil wrong doers and just out to make a buck.

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Originally Posted by RemmieBrandt View Post

 

I would definitely stay away from anything containing kitty litter (clay), garlic powder, cranberries, sulfate mendione (look that up - they use a lot of names to hide this very toxic ingredient), alfalfa, sodium ascorbate (promotes tumors in animals) and fishmeal (contains really really toxic ethoxquin which is also contained in purina cat treats & pill pockets contains toxins too). Not crazy about carrageenan or gums either. And Rachel Ray's nutrish is anything but - contains carragenan, sunflower oil & sawdust instead of protein from meat). Also if you can find copper protenate instead of copper sulfate you're better off too. The foods I listed were the best of the bunch and I checked dozens and dozens of labels. Some of them I have to mix shredded chicken into to entice the cats to eat but little by little they are learning to like the better foods.

There are varying grades of clay. Some are used industrially in drilling and refining. Others are used to clarify wine and other beverages. Others are used for kitty litter. And there are a couple of types of clay that are food grade and have been used by native cultures for thousands of years with great results. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water when calcium bentonite clay can save lives - both people and pets. Read about real people's experiences with a food grade clay here

http://earthslivingclay.com/testimonials 

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