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post #91 of 126
Quotes from Charm's Dad..
"When my wife does a follow up visit on a Medicare patient in the hospital the reimbursement is $3."

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I wonder if you are perhaps confusing the Medicare program with the Medicaid program. It's a common mistake.
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Not hardly, and I don't see how in the world you could get that impression. I case you're not aware, Medicaid actually pays more for most procedures than Medicare in most states. As for my experience, it is far beyond just what my wife's practice sees, and far beyond one hospital. I used to write practice management software, which includes a massive billing component (and is currently the most widely used such software in the US.) I'm well aware of billing issues, much beyond those seen your a single hospital. I have directly worked with hospitals or practices in North Carolina, Virginia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Washington, DC, Ohio, Michigan and Texas. I also worked indirectly with practices in numerous other areas. The complaints against Medicare are extremely wide spread. Medicaid, which is more directly controlled by the individual states, is quite varied in its payment structure and timeliness of response. If one of us is confused between Medicare and Medicaid it's not me."

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Out of curiousity, I just pulled out one of my mother's EOBs.
The medicare approved amounts for daily bedside visits during her hospitalization by her main physician ranged from a low of $64 per day to a high of $86, of which Medicare payed 80% (with the 20% being billed to the patient or secondary carrier. Medicare payment methodologies are the same in each state, and although state by state Medicare payment amounts are WEF'd and PEF'd to adjust for regional costs, $3 vs $86 won't be the result of that. So, while you may believe that I don't know what I am talking about, I don't have any idea of what you're talking about. I'm not sure if your garbled sentence suggests that I've had experience at one hospital; I have worked as a consultant at multiple hospitals, but only happened to be the CFO at 2 of them. I also find it very hard to believe that NYS, long considered to have one of the most generous Medicaid systems in the US, pays MDs substantially less here than they do in North Carolina.

That is not to say that Medicare pays every claim immediately. If your wife does something (or the other complainants) that falls into an area of focused reviews, there will be delays in payment. The one area that frequently happens in is in psychiatric care.


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So yes, I am willing to have my tax dollars go to fund programs that I believe are important.
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"But you've already claimed you want the so called "rich" to pay a greater then their already hugely disproportional high amount for other programs that you want. Again, the "I decide but someone else should pay" approach. It would be quite different if everyone had to pay an additional $100 to $200 per month (or possibly more due to the excessive overhead of government run programs) to subsidize such programs"

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You've just repeated the same point that you made earlier. Let me be more clear in my response. When I have been in a relatively high tax bracket (altho not a 7 figure income earner), I haven't complained about paying my relatively high taxes. (And here in NY, I've got federal, state, local & one of the highest sales taxes in the country impacting me.) I'm not saying that "everyone should pay but me at all", no matter how many times you repeat that. I think multi-millionaires should pay most of the tax burden because they hold a vastly disproportionate share of the country's wealth.

I'm starting to think that you must fall into that category, since most of the people who complain bitterly about the unfair taxation of the incredibly wealthy, usually are the same people who benefit from those tax cuts, and also have far less need of public services.
post #92 of 126
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Originally posted by jcat
George, I have read the decision, the concurring and the dissenting opinions many times, and I still believe that the election "results" from Florida should have been discounted in their entirety.
As a Florida voter, I don't think my vote should have been discounted, thanks very much.
post #93 of 126
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Originally posted by Deb25
As a Florida voter, I don't think my vote should have been discounted, thanks very much.
I couldn't agree more, Deb!
post #94 of 126
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Originally posted by Deb25
As a Florida voter, I don't think my vote should have been discounted, thanks very much.
That's the point - so many people's votes were discounted ("hanging, etc., chads", - at least we all know what those little pieces of paper are called now), and a lot of people found that they suddenly weren't allowed to vote, e.g., because their names were similar to those of people with criminal records. Not to mention Buchanan's surprise. Do you even know if your vote was counted? I still wonder why the Florida elections weren't repeated, as happens in some other countries when the returns are questionable. If there aren't any provisions for that, why not? And why aren't there uniform federal standards regarding primaries (why the mix of open or closed primaries & caucuses?), ballots, voting machines, and so on? I know that gets into states' rights, but we've had amendments overturning the "separate but equal doctrine" and the "poll tax" that curtailed states' rights. Up until California's "recall", I had assumed that the whole system was undergoing a much-needed revamp, and that the states were prepared for the 2004 elections, but that apparently isn't the case. I also don't understand why the electoral college still exists. It made sense in the 18th and early 19th centuries, when communications were primitive, mass media were virtually unavailable, and many people were illiterate, but it is totally outdated nowadays. Isn't it time for a few new amendments?
post #95 of 126
Well, we do have cool new touch-screen voting machines now.

And although Bush isn't exactly the most popular president in this thread, I can't help but wonder how Gore would have handled some of the unique challenges of this administration, namely Sept. 11. Seems to me that it is all too easy to judge someone who was faced with a crisis unique to American history.
post #96 of 126
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Originally posted by Deb25
Well, we do have cool new touch-screen voting machines now.

And although Bush isn't exactly the most popular president in this thread, I can't help but wonder how Gore would have handled some of the unique challenges of this administration, namely Sept. 11. Seems to me that it is all too easy to judge someone who was faced with a crisis unique to American history.
Gore is quite conservative on the issue of national defense. He's also a very smart guy. I don't think he would have paused a moment before ordering an attack on Afghanistan, in an effort to go after al Qaeda. In reality, there weren't all that many response options: it was a choice between doing nothing & having some type of military response. (The only president in recent times whom I could imagine 'doing nothing' was Jimmy Carter, although when he was president, he didnt express the same views that he does now.) The real decision was the type of military response. The only person who might have had a very different response militarily would be McCain if he had been elected president. I somehow think that he would have told Pakistan to get their northern citizens to stop sheltering OBL,
or else he would turn the afghanistan-pakistan border into a parking lot.

I didn't have the impression that people were criticizing Bush re: 9-11 in this thread. Whether or not that's that case however, the fact that he responded to 9-11 in a way that resulted in partial victory (demolition of al Qaeda training grounds, routing the Taliban, getting a government chosen by the Afghanis themselves etc. but not nabbing OBL) doesn't give him an automatic 'pass' on his subsequent actions/decisions.
post #97 of 126
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by her main physician ranged from a low of $64 per day to a high of $86
As you said her main physician. In other words, primary admitting physician. As a consulting physician (Endocrinology - often to maintain elderly, brittle, diabetic patients hospitalized for surgery) she gets $3 per follow up visit. That's THREE dollars. I'm sorry you are unable to understand this, but she gets $3 for these visits. And yes, I am repeating myself since you don't seem to get it when I say it once. By the way, that was THREE DOLLARS!!!

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I'm well aware of billing issues, much beyond those seen your a single hospital.
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I'm not sure if your garbled sentence suggests
So I left out the "in" after "seen". Going back and noting your numerous spelling, syntax and grammatical errors you're not one to be calling someone else's messages "garbled". From reading your previous, rather unclear, posts I had the impression you worked your way up within a hospital. Well Excuuuuuuuse me if I got that wrong!!!

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That is not to say that Medicare pays every claim immediately. If your wife does something (or the other complainants) that falls into an area of focused reviews, there will be delays in payment. The one area that frequently happens in is in psychiatric care.
I've consistently received complaints from various states and directly from MDs in Endocrinology, Internal Medicine, Gastroenterology, Cardiology, OB/GYN, Urology, and Pediatrics. Seems pretty broad based to me.

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, but only happened to be the CFO at 2 of them. I also find it very hard to believe that NYS, long considered to have one of the most generous Medicaid systems in the US, pays MDs substantially less here than they do in North Carolina.
I don’t' know that NC pays either more or less than NY, but I DO know that there are consistently higher payments from Medicaid in quite a number of areas in this state. You can doubt all you want, but that doesn’t change reality now does it? Does that mean only you know facts, and anyone else is wrong? Makes many of your claims seem suspicious to me (consultant at multiple hospitals and CFO at two??? I'd think if this were actually true you'd know much more about the numerous issues with Medicare.)

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You've just repeated the same point that you made earlier.
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. I think multi-millionaires should pay most of the tax burden
You keep claiming the "rich" (i.e. "someone other than me") should pay for the programs that you personally decide are important. Apparently I DO need to keep repeating myself since you keep making the same tired claim over and over. Let's see, the vast bulk of the "millionaires" in the US are first generation (i.e. "self made".) The overwhelming majority have reached this status because they provide goods or services that others find so valuable that money is freely given in exchange for these goods/services. In other words, people already find their contributions quite valuable. Next, these same "millionaires" are the ones employing people, investing in such things as new businesses, mortgage underwriting, municipal bonds, etc. In other words: more contributions. On top of all this, these "millionaires" ALREADY DO PAY THE VAST BULK OF THE TAXES!!!! Hey look, another point I have to make again because it doesn't seem to sink in.

If one person pays $100 in taxes, and another pays $1000, then a cut of 20% to the first and 10% to the second still results in a "greater tax cut" for the higher paying person - who still pays much more. Yet the tax cut, in a percent of total, was much more for the first person. Amazing how misleading the reporting was over this year's tax cut.

Also amazing is the lack of recognition for the impact of the cuts. The first quarter after the cuts there was economic improvement in direct proportion to these cuts (as would be predicted by "Classical Economics" as I stated earlier.) Preliminary indicators for the most recent quarter indicate continued improvement as the "trickle down" effect takes hold (again, as predicted by "Classical Economics". Strange how that continues to work over and over and over and over.)

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I'm starting to think that you must fall into that category, since most of the people who complain bitterly about the unfair taxation of the incredibly wealthy, usually are the same people who benefit from those tax cuts, and also have far less need of public services.
Ah yes, the "vilify the opposing view" approach. Since, as noted above, you clearly want someone else to pay the bill while you decide the programs, then anyone that disagrees with you apparently must be vilified in some way. I take it the concept of personal responsibility simply eludes you, as does the growing opposition to coerced "charity" through highly inefficient (and generally ineffective) government programs. Communism as a system has already demonstrated it doesn't work on a large scale. Yet you, like many who don't seem to understand economics, keep trying to bring it into fruition here in the US. Sorry, I believe history clearly speaks on this issue, and it doesn't agree with you.

George
post #98 of 126
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I can't help but wonder how Gore would have handled some of the unique challenges of this administration
In all honesty, if Mr. Gore had been elected I would hope he would have acted just as strongly. In reality, we'll never know. Trying to guess what he would or would not have done is simply an academic exercise.

As far as Bush's efforts being a "partial victory", I don't agree. The battle is not yet over and the constant criticism because all objectives have not yet been achieved seem extremely premature.

By the way, I found out today that my Nephew, who returned from Iraq a few weeks ago, has been recommended for a Bronze Star. This is the criteria for this medal:

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The Bronze Star Medal is awarded to any person who, while serving in any capacity in or with the Army of the United States after 6 December 1941, distinguished himself or herself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service, not involving participation in aerial flight, in connection with military operations against an armed enemy...
George
post #99 of 126
Hell no! I didn't vote for him. Al Gore was the rightful winner of the election. There is not one thing I like about President Bush or his administration. UGH...I'm ranting. I'm in a political state-of-mind this morning. I'm totally enraged by his proposals to end overtime pay for the working class people that need it so badly to make a decent living in this day and age. I cannot understand for the life of me why middle-class working families would even consider voting for him and his administration. I just don't understand.

Enough of my rant.

Cindy W.
post #100 of 126
Yes, I would vote for him again, unless someone I THOUGHT would be better. I did vote for him too Some things I have agreed with and others not...can't be perfect.
post #101 of 126
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Originally posted by caprice
Yes, I would vote for him again, unless someone I THOUGHT would be better. I did vote for him too Some things I have agreed with and others not...can't be perfect.
Very True
post #102 of 126
Thank you chelle...I stand by my word and I totally back him up
post #103 of 126
You know, I heard one of the democratic candidates ( I cant' remember which one right now ) say this, "We need somebody in office who is willing to do what they believe in, even if its not popular", and this person had the crowd on their feet.

Isn't that exactly what Bush did? He believed in the war, he believed it was the right thing to do, yet the very same people who are cheering for the democrats for saying this, are now saying they hate Bush.

Its such a double standard its ridiculous. I don't agree w/ every single thing of the Bush admin, but no president is perfect. I believe its much safer to dance with the devil we know than the devil we don't.

I'll be voting Republican in November.
post #104 of 126
George that is neat news about your nephew. I am glad he returned safely and that he returned a hero. But in my book, all the men and women over there keeping the peace are heroes.
post #105 of 126
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Originally posted by okeefecl
I did not vote for Bush in the last election (and for good or bad, I still believe Gore won the Presidency).

I hope you dont mind me paraphrasing here but I agree with the above , My grandfather was director of veterans services in our town in Massachusetts Ive met Sen. Kerry when I was a child in my grandfather office, he worked tirelessly for vets , Gov Dean was the Gov of the state I live in now he did many great things for Vermont and would be a solid choice to, All I know if no more Bush
post #106 of 126
John Kerry PANDERS to vets, in order to further his own political aspirations. When he returned from the Vietnam War, he joined the anti-war movement and, during one protest, threw his medals over the White House fence. NOW, when he wants to get elected President, he's suddenly proud of his service and awards. A couple of weeks ago, he donated $10,000 of his own (wife's) money, to a shelter for homeless vets. Gen. Clark donated $1200, of his own, whereupon Kerry tossed another $10,000 into the kitty. I have no problem with helping veterans but, I DO have a problem with USING the vets.

NOW, he wants to roll back the Bush tax cuts but, he voted FOR them, in the Senate. He is NOW against the war in Iraq but, he voted FOR it.

I respect someone, who stands by his convictions, even when I and/or a majority disagree with them. I do NOT respect someone, who sways whichever way the wind blows. John Kerry is a prime example of this.

On another note, John Dean shot himself in the foot (again), on this morning's "Meet the Press". He baldly stated that he wants to cut Social Security, veterans' pensions and raise the retirement age, to 70. Granted, Social Security is in need of some sort of a fix but, NOBODY is going to get elected, by advocating cuts. As for veterans, these men and women gave a substantial portion of their lives and, sometimes flesh and blood, to defend this country. In addition, they did it for low pay and in horrendous working conditions. They've earned every penny of their pensions and then some.

Dean has already alienated Southern white men and now he's doing his best to p*** off two of the largest voting blocs, in this country - veterans AND senior citizens. If he wants to finish himself off, all he needs to do is slap a black woman, in public and then EVERYBODY will dislike him.
post #107 of 126
Im sorry you feel that way about Sen Kerry thats what makes this country great the ability to differ, and so theres no confusion for ppl outside the US who may be reading this thread its Howard Dean not John.
post #108 of 126
I stand corrected - too much Watergate on the History Channel - got my Deans confused.
post #109 of 126
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Originally posted by katl8e
I stand corrected - too much Watergate on the History Channel - got my Deans confused.
LOL! Heck, I knew what you meant the first time
post #110 of 126
I like to come and discuss/argue politics. Bill agrees with me, too much and most of my co-workers are clueless. Besides, politics are a no-no, at work.
post #111 of 126
No way i hell.

I have ZERO respect for Bush.

His brain is the size of a pea.

It's embarrassing as an American to have him as President.
post #112 of 126
No way i hell.

I have ZERO respect for Bush.

His brain is the size of a pea.

It's embarrassing as an American to have him as President.
post #113 of 126
Kerry panders but Bush doesnt?! A constitutional amendment to protect 'marriage' from gay people?? Even suggesting that makes a mockery of that profound document - life, liberty, freedom of speech, freedom of religion really need to be joined by heterosexual-only marriages? Leaving aside that the concept of marriage is now primarily a religious institution that is given over-emphasis in our secular laws, if it needs a constitutional amendment to protect it for any reason, it's already shot. An amendment outlawing divorce would be more 'protective' of heterosexual 'marriage' than worrying about the big bad homosexuals. Kerry uses vets? How about GW flying onto an American aircraft carrier in a fighter jet, decked out like fighter pilot? That wasn't exploitive? Or hypocritical, given his shining miltary background of a year of reserve duty that he may did, maybe didn't do in order to avoid the war in Vietnam? Perhaps Kerry ultimately opposed the war in Vietnam as millions did by its end, but he first he very (very very very) honorably served there.If he wants to call on veterans to support him, that's his perogative since he is one. (And I would not feel any differently if it was John McCain that we were discussing, rather than John Kerry.)

And how about those WMD? Or constantly mentioning Saddam Hussein in the same sentence as Osama Bin Laden, when there is no evidence that Iraq had any involvement with 9-11, in order to make people think that they did? (As an aside, with all this posturing about keeping America safe, how about finding Bin Laden, a guy who is actually a threat to us?) Personally I think that lying is greater offense than pandering. This whole administration is an exercise similar to the 'Emperor's New Clothes' story: say the same thing enough times, and hope it becomes a fact.
post #114 of 126
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Originally Posted by Sylent Rayne
"Lets find Osama." "Okay, we can't find him, here, lets focus on Saddam".
Why does everyone think that our military is capable of doing only one thing at a time? We are STILL looking for Osama.

RUSH made an important point the other day. Authorities have been searching for this missing girl ON THE TINY ISLAND OF ARUBA for the last three months. Why do some people think finding Osama in AFGHANISTAN shouldn't take as long as it has been? I found that to be a very good point.

There are so many special operations that the public does not hear about because, well, then everyone would know exactly what we are planning and where we are looking. Just because it doesn't make the news doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
post #115 of 126
No and I don't understand those who did!
post #116 of 126
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Originally Posted by Sylent Rayne
Nope. Can't stand him. We need someone with a higher IQ than 2.

I think he did good when September 11th happened, he handled that well. But what is with, "Lets find Osama." "Okay, we can't find him, here, lets focus on Saddam".

Don't like him, didn't vote for him in the first place, want him out of office.
I didn't realize people with an IQ of 2 could go to Harvard. Thanks for pointing that out for us.
post #117 of 126
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Originally Posted by Momofmany
If you think he handled 9/11 well, take a look at this site....

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/true911.html
So, things were a little scrambled for a little while. Your pionnt is what?
Are you saying he should have or could have prevented what happened.
You Monday morning quarter backs just kill me.
Wonder what Gore would have done, probably, hide under his bed crying.
post #118 of 126
I never voted for Bush.

Boy, was I confused. I'm at work and couldn't read this all the way through, so I was skimming all the comments. I just realized that this thread was started a Looooooooooong time ago.
post #119 of 126
Nothing would make me happier than to see that sleeze-ball, racist homophobic, illiterate war criminal dragged out of the White House in handcuffs.

Unless Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove and the rest of his cronies were being dragged after him.
post #120 of 126
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Originally Posted by Rockcat
I never voted for Bush.

Boy, was I confused. I'm at work and couldn't read this all the way through, so I was skimming all the comments. I just realized that this thread was started a Looooooooooong time ago.
This has happened to me with a few threads this a.m.

It seems as if someone is looking up many old threads and voting on the polls (which bumps the post up) or making posts to these old threads.

I understand the confusion!!
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