Kitten with potential FIV. Help please?

aeri

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Hello everyone, I really need some help with my newest boy, Uri.

Adopted him 3-4 weeks ago when he was, at most, 8 weeks old though more likely 7 weeks old. He came in with his mom and two sisters, and his mom came in FIV positive (I can't remember for sure but I'm pretty sure she was positive and, as a result, was put down unfortunately).

Had to wait awhile to bring him home because he was in foster care, receiving medicine for a URI and then he would be getting his next round of boosters. (I think - terrible memory, sorry) I was told he tested a strong negative for FIV, but because of his age they want to retest when he's 6 months when the antibodies would be present.

When he finally got to came home his eye was still a little gunky and he sneezed occasionally.

I had him for around a week and then he started acting truly sick. His right eye was infected, oozing yellowish gunk, he was lethargic (normally he's a little ball of energy that can't wait to get out of my room and play, but he just sat there), sneezing, and sniffling. Still ate and played, but played rarely. I went to the shelter and was given Clavamox and eye drops. Did the drops for around a week or a little more and his eye cleared up fine. Did the Clavamox at 2.5ml twice a day for 14 days and even by day 10 he was perfectly fine and back to his usual self with no symptoms whatsoever.

He's been off of his medicine for no more than three days now, and he's back to acting sick again. He's lethargic, doesn't leave my room often (when normally he's very eager to go play when he's not sleepy), lays around a lot, plays much less, and sneezing and sniffling again while his left eye is starting to look a tiny, tiny bit watery/gunky and a little narrowed. His mew is hoarse and weak, when normally he has a loud, adorable bell-like cry (he's half Siamese, half DSH/tabby). I held him to my ear while he cried and it had a slight rumble to it, like he's a little congested, though his nose isn't leaking and his eye leaking isn't nearly as bad as it was last time. He does have playful moments though - he gets very wild chasing mice or trying to eat my hair (haha). In fact, as I was going to bed he was as hyper as he usually is, but today he's being lethargic again. He's eating plenty, though, and I'm pretty sure he's using the litter box fine but I'm unsure on his drinking as I wasn't around this morning to see.

Tomorrow I'm taking him back to the shelter to get his final set of boosters, and if he weighs 2lbs he'll also be fixed, and I'll be asking them all of this but for now I'm worried to death for him and would just like some helpful tips from you guys.

So now that the background information is out there, I'd like to ask this:

Is it dangerous to get a kitten with FIV fixed?

Does it seem likely that he has FIV, since this is the third time he's been sick?

Is FIV so noticeable in such a young kitten? (He should be about 9-10 weeks old on a guess since I don't know his exact age. Maximum 11 weeks though I doubt that.)

If he came back a strong negative, does that mean he likely doesn't have it? He'll be retested at 6 months old regardless.

Can FIV be deadly to a kitten?

Could my boy just have chronic URIs unrelated to the FIV, and if so, what is treatment for that like? Is it expensive?

He likes to play with my other boy and often bites at him. The other boy, Meeko, has had a few small scabs around his neck but nothing anywhere near severe. Is this enough to give him FIV, though?

I know FIV is not an immediate death sentence but I'm still worried about him, especially with him being sick yet again. I've had kittens come home with URIs, but they've never really persisted like this and I'm just worried. I mean, he can't be on antibiotics forever, and if he does have FIV, I'm terrified of what kind of cost that will have or what it could do to Meeko since he so loves to play with him.

Update: Is it possible that his lack of playing is due to teething? He's at the perfect age to lose the teeth on the sides, and lost his little teeth in the front last week. Because he's really not sneezing all that much, and the eye gunk is very, very minimal, which could be from him getting into dusty areas, right?
 
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Sounds like he had cat flu. If he was infected with cat flu before he got his vaccinations, it is quite usual for a cat to get sick with it.

but having suffered from URI and cat flu at such an early age and getting returning bouts of illness, I would most certainly demand a second FIV test. It sounds like his immune system is compromized, which would be the case if he was FIV positive.

Maybe he is just weak because his mother was FIv+, but better safe than sorry, so do get him tested.
 

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If he tested negative for FIV, I highly doubt this is related to that. And if he's already losing his baby teeth, my guess is he's a little older than you think, though of course losing them before 4 months is possible.

FIV is actually rarely passed between mother and kittens. They usually test positive for it because the antibodies are in her milk, but it could be that she was bitten by a kitty with FIV after they were weaned, or a few weeks before they were weaned (it takes a few weeks for FIV to "percolate" in their systems). If this is the case, then it's even more unlikely that your kitty is FIV+. :cross:

FIV is a very slow acting virus. Kittens, of course, are more susceptible to just about everything, because their immune systems aren't fully developed. But FIV is not nearly as difficult for them as FeLV.

No, I'm guessing your kitty also has the herpes virus? This is very, very common. It sounds like he had a URI and a secondary bacterial infection (or the antibiotics wouldn't have helped much). But this is probably the virus expressing itself - and antibiotics don't help with that (though it is best to get him to the vet for their opinion).

L-Lysine (a tasteless powder) has been shown in clinical trials to help prevent the replication of the herpes virus. It is a very standard form of treatment, and we use it daily for one of our cats. During a flare-up, the recommended dose for an adult cat (I do NOT know the dose for a kitten - I believe it is the same, but please check with your vet) is 500mg twice a day. Many on TCS use the NOW L-Lysine powder - it is not in capsule form, so easy to just sprinkle on the food. 1/4 teaspoon is 500mg. Daily maintenance dose is half that - 250mg am and pm.

To further help boost your kitty's immune system - and to help his system repopulate the healthy gut flora after the antibiotics (and when being given antibiotics) - you can use a probiotic. All of our cats get a probiotic daily (my husband and I use one too). There are probiotics for cats and dogs, but most of them are made with fermentation products, which means cultures that are not live. They still provide benefit, but our holistic vet recommends a human acidophilus supplement, one with 10 billion active CFU (active colony forming units). Since that is also a human dose, I think a kitten should get a child's dose - 5 billion active CFU once or twice daily. The one we use is Natural Factors Double-Strength acidophilus + Bifidus. For your kitty you could just buy the regular one, not the double-strength. The cats like it - I sprinkle it on their food, but if I just open the capsule and dump it in a bowl they lick it up. :lol3:

If your vet is going to prescribe antibiotics again, when giving probiotics with antibiotics, you do NOT want to give them at the same time. Some give them 12 hours apart - but the recommendation on most probiotic websites is to give the probiotic at least 2-3 hours after (and before) an antibiotic dose.

And, finally, I don't know what you're feeding, but a high quality (no grain, low carb, high protein) wet food will help over time. :nod:

Vibes for you and your kitty! :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes:
 
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Thank you all for your helpful replies! I'll definitely save this thread as a reference to keep looking back to for info.

I dropped him off at the shelter today and the women there said that he looked fantastic - not sick at all. They said he could just be sniffly or something but that he definitely doesn't seem to be sick. I talked to the one with his file and she said that he did test negative, and that it's still recommended he comes back for the FIV test but that he probably doesn't have it, so I'm very hopeful. For now I'm just impatiently awaiting tomorrow so I can go pick him up and get him back home where he belongs.
 
 

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If he tested negative for FIV, I highly doubt this is related to that. And if he's already losing his baby teeth, my guess is he's a little older than you think, though of course losing them before 4 months is possible.
FIV is actually rarely passed between mother and kittens. They usually test positive for it because the antibodies are in her milk, but it could be that she was bitten by a kitty with FIV after they were weaned, or a few weeks before they were weaned (it takes a few weeks for FIV to "percolate" in their systems). If this is the case, then it's even more unlikely that your kitty is FIV+. :cross:
FIV is a very slow acting virus. Kittens, of course, are more susceptible to just about everything, because their immune systems aren't fully developed. But FIV is not nearly as difficult for them as FeLV.
No, I'm guessing your kitty also has the herpes virus? This is very, very common. It sounds like he had a URI and a secondary bacterial infection (or the antibiotics wouldn't have helped much). But this is probably the virus expressing itself - and antibiotics don't help with that (though it is best to get him to the vet for their opinion).
L-Lysine (a tasteless powder) has been shown in clinical trials to help prevent the replication of the herpes virus. It is a very standard form of treatment, and we use it daily for one of our cats. During a flare-up, the recommended dose for an adult cat (I do NOT know the dose for a kitten - I believe it is the same, but please check with your vet) is 500mg twice a day. Many on TCS use the NOW L-Lysine powder - it is not in capsule form, so easy to just sprinkle on the food. 1/4 teaspoon is 500mg. Daily maintenance dose is half that - 250mg am and pm.
To further help boost your kitty's immune system - and to help his system repopulate the healthy gut flora after the antibiotics (and when being given antibiotics) - you can use a probiotic. All of our cats get a probiotic daily (my husband and I use one too). There are probiotics for cats and dogs, but most of them are made with fermentation products, which means cultures that are not live. They still provide benefit, but our holistic vet recommends a human acidophilus supplement, one with 10 billion active CFU (active colony forming units). Since that is also a human dose, I think a kitten should get a child's dose - 5 billion active CFU once or twice daily. The one we use is Natural Factors Double-Strength acidophilus + Bifidus. For your kitty you could just buy the regular one, not the double-strength. The cats like it - I sprinkle it on their food, but if I just open the capsule and dump it in a bowl they lick it up. :lol3:
If your vet is going to prescribe antibiotics again, when giving probiotics with antibiotics, you do NOT want to give them at the same time. Some give them 12 hours apart - but the recommendation on most probiotic websites is to give the probiotic at least 2-3 hours after (and before) an antibiotic dose.
And, finally, I don't know what you're feeding, but a high quality (no grain, low carb, high protein) wet food will help over time. :nod:
Vibes for you and your kitty! :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes:
Great advice, Laurie! I totally agree! :clap:
 
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