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If your specifically looking for a Maine Coon, MC breeders have "pet quality" kittens. That means for whatever reason, the breeder feels they are not "show quality". Be it a confirmation fault, color fault, confirmation/color, or they feel the kitten will not take to showing. Nothing at all, wrong with the kitten health wise. These would still be a registered Maine Coon, still have the same health guarantees, but would be much less expensive, and you would still have a mentor to help you, with the kitten. Breeders also have "retired" show cats. Doesn't mean they are old, just means, they have gone as far as they can in Premiership, the breeder needs to make room for new kittens, and they want to find the cat a very good home.  The cat would already be spayed/neutered, have all his shots, and come from an atmosphere, of he has seen it all, done it all, nothing phases him.  They are ballpark 3 yrs old, some might be 2, some might be 4.  They too, are much less expensive.

The thing you need to remember with kittens, is they have very sensative little systems.  Any food change, must be made over 2 weeks. With kittens, its really not a good idea, to rotate foods, it upsets their systems. Kittens need to be on kitten food, its higher in protein and calories, for their growing bodys.  You want to stay away from purina kitten chow, friskies kitten chow, any purina products.  I feed Blue Wilderness, its by Blue Buffalo.  Last recall was in 2010, and it was because too much vitamin D was showing up in the dog food, dogs got sick, none died. It was because they processed a vitamin D product, and did not clean the machine properly, before they processed the dog food.  They were not involved with the Menu Foods saga of 2007, too many other companies were.

Since you are a dog food nutritionist, you know the importance of grain free, by product free, soy free, so won't go into that, lol.

Wet is better than dry. You need to feed wet, mixed with water, so it keeps them flushed out, that is imperative with little boy kitties, who are prone to crystals, urinary and bladder issues.  Girl kitties can also have urinary issues, but boys are more prone to them. Grains is the biggest cause, its one of many.  You also want to avoid feeding fish flavored foods and treats, like salmon flavored, tuna flavored, etc.  That is another big cause of crystals.

If you go the fish oil route, make sure you get a good quality one, like nordic, and make sure its cold pressed.

Blue Wilderness already has the omega 3/6 in there, it has the highest amount.  Freedom, also by Blue Buffalo, is grain free too, it does not have any fish meal in it, and its lower in fat and protein %'s, and has the omega 3/6.  The poster who said, nutrients are lost in processing, is correct, in some instances, the process, not the poster, lol.  But now with Blue Wilderness, their fur is soft and shiny, and I see many people, say the same thing, cat and dog people, on the BB FB site. 

I feed wet in the morn, mixed with water, and dry at night, and mine are scheduled fed.  

I don't agree with rotating feeds, if there is an issue, the first thing the vet will ask you, what do you feed, they rule out the food first. If one is feeding more than one food, its harder and takes longer, to rule out the food.  I had an issue a few yrs ago, and time was critical, they had specialists working on her. She only ate BW, so they ruled that out, almost immed, and with a call to BB.  If she was eating more than one, it would have taken alot longer, to rule out the food.  But its a personal choice, and as we say in the horse world, what works for one horse, may not work for another, so we have to go with what works best for us and our kitties.

Here is a good site to read about kitties. Best of luck with your cat/kitten search.  
  


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Look for Evo's 95%. Kittens need as much protein as they can get.
We have an Evo kitten formula that I'll start with, then move to their 95% ones. I believe the protein is higher in the kitten formula anyway.
 
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If your specifically looking for a Maine Coon, MC breeders have "pet quality" kittens. That means for whatever reason, the breeder feels they are not "show quality". Be it a confirmation fault, color fault, confirmation/color, or they feel the kitten will not take to showing. Nothing at all, wrong with the kitten health wise. These would still be a registered Maine Coon, still have the same health guarantees, but would be much less expensive, and you would still have a mentor to help you, with the kitten. Breeders also have "retired" show cats. Doesn't mean they are old, just means, they have gone as far as they can in Premiership, the breeder needs to make room for new kittens, and they want to find the cat a very good home.  The cat would already be spayed/neutered, have all his shots, and come from an atmosphere, of he has seen it all, done it all, nothing phases him.  They are ballpark 3 yrs old, some might be 2, some might be 4.  They too, are much less expensive.

The thing you need to remember with kittens, is they have very sensative little systems.  Any food change, must be made over 2 weeks. With kittens, its really not a good idea, to rotate foods, it upsets their systems. Kittens need to be on kitten food, its higher in protein and calories, for their growing bodys.  You want to stay away from purina kitten chow, friskies kitten chow, any purina products.  I feed Blue Wilderness, its by Blue Buffalo.  Last recall was in 2010, and it was because too much vitamin D was showing up in the dog food, dogs got sick, none died. It was because they processed a vitamin D product, and did not clean the machine properly, before they processed the dog food.  They were not involved with the Menu Foods saga of 2007, too many other companies were.

Since you are a dog food nutritionist, you know the importance of grain free, by product free, soy free, so won't go into that, lol.

Wet is better than dry. You need to feed wet, mixed with water, so it keeps them flushed out, that is imperative with little boy kitties, who are prone to crystals, urinary and bladder issues.  Girl kitties can also have urinary issues, but boys are more prone to them. Grains is the biggest cause, its one of many.  You also want to avoid feeding fish flavored foods and treats, like salmon flavored, tuna flavored, etc.  That is another big cause of crystals.

If you go the fish oil route, make sure you get a good quality one, like nordic, and make sure its cold pressed.

Blue Wilderness already has the omega 3/6 in there, it has the highest amount.  Freedom, also by Blue Buffalo, is grain free too, it does not have any fish meal in it, and its lower in fat and protein %'s, and has the omega 3/6.  The poster who said, nutrients are lost in processing, is correct, in some instances, the process, not the poster, lol.  But now with Blue Wilderness, their fur is soft and shiny, and I see many people, say the same thing, cat and dog people, on the BB FB site. 

I feed wet in the morn, mixed with water, and dry at night, and mine are scheduled fed.  

I don't agree with rotating feeds, if there is an issue, the first thing the vet will ask you, what do you feed, they rule out the food first. If one is feeding more than one food, its harder and takes longer, to rule out the food.  I had an issue a few yrs ago, and time was critical, they had specialists working on her. She only ate BW, so they ruled that out, almost immed, and with a call to BB.  If she was eating more than one, it would have taken alot longer, to rule out the food.  But its a personal choice, and as we say in the horse world, what works for one horse, may not work for another, so we have to go with what works best for us and our kitties.

Here is a good site to read about kitties. Best of luck with your cat/kitten search.  
  


http://catinfo.org/      
Thanks for all the advice.

If I can't find a Maine Coon at a shelter/rescue, then I'll get... whatever (LOL). I see too many kittens/cats in shelters that need homes, that I can't deny them a chance at happiness that they, and all animals, deserve. When it comes to the cats you're talking about, at least they've had good lives up to this point, and I'm sure they will be taken care of even if they don't find another home. Then again, I'm not familiar with how owners of show cats treat cats after their careers are over. So perhaps that is as good a thing to do as rescuing.

I've learned too much about the benefits of rotating foods to ignore it. While I totally understand where you're coming from, no one meat provides everything a cat or dog needs. Not that they can't live off of chicken alone (just using chicken as an example), but until I have to limit what they eat I'm going to go for an all-around diet.

BTW, I'm going on an all wet diet, as I've come to understand the water/moisture needs of a cat, and see that the cost is right in line with dry. I am still thinking about raw.
 

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Haven't learned how to quote someone's post yet, still fairly new here, lol.  

I show cats, but I have rescues too, not ones I got at a shelter, but ones, that someone "threw out" and I took in.  My father always told us kids, you can't take them all in, and you can't fix every situation.  Take in the ones you can, and help the ones you can.  My parents taught us kids, animals are to be well treated and well fed, prob why I am so overly picky about mine, lol.

You can rest assured, the unsold kittens or retired show cats, are very well treated and have a very good home.  Responsible breeders, go in, with the knowledge, and mind set, you might have to keep them, or for ones that don't work out, at a home, take them back in.  They don't hand them out like candy, lol, they find them a very good home, if thats not possible, then they stay there.   

My vet would prefer I feed raw, lol, but its not for me, miceys would turn into toys, with the kittens, lol.  Rotate or not is a personal decision, and one should do what works best for them and their cats, there is no right or wrong anser.  

Would love to see pictures of your new cat/kitten, when you find him/her.

OH, you would like this, one of my show friends who lives in VT, volunteers at a shelter. One came in, had to have his leg amputated, no one wanted him, so she adopted him.  He is the sweetest boy, and you would never know, he only had 3 legs, his name, is Kangaroo.  
  
 
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Haven't learned how to quote someone's post yet, still fairly new here, lol.  

I show cats, but I have rescues too, not ones I got at a shelter, but ones, that someone "threw out" and I took in.  My father always told us kids, you can't take them all in, and you can't fix every situation.  Take in the ones you can, and help the ones you can.  My parents taught us kids, animals are to be well treated and well fed, prob why I am so overly picky about mine, lol.

You can rest assured, the unsold kittens or retired show cats, are very well treated and have a very good home.  Responsible breeders, go in, with the knowledge, and mind set, you might have to keep them, or for ones that don't work out, at a home, take them back in.  They don't hand them out like candy, lol, they find them a very good home, if thats not possible, then they stay there.   

My vet would prefer I feed raw, lol, but its not for me, miceys would turn into toys, with the kittens, lol.  Rotate or not is a personal decision, and one should do what works best for them and their cats, there is no right or wrong anser.  

Would love to see pictures of your new cat/kitten, when you find him/her.

OH, you would like this, one of my show friends who lives in VT, volunteers at a shelter. One came in, had to have his leg amputated, no one wanted him, so she adopted him.  He is the sweetest boy, and you would never know, he only had 3 legs, his name, is Kangaroo.  
  
That's good to hear. I don't know anybody that shows cats, so I wasn't sure and feared the worst.

Thanks for the story, too.
 
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I thought I was all set with Evo, but after reading that it has carrageenan I'm not as sure. Should I be concerned with that, or only if the kitten has issues like vomiting?
 

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Some people don't like to use any food with carageenan. It's up to you. But there are very few canned cat foods without it. Some flavors of Weruva, By Nature, and a few more I can'tt think of. There's a thread about it if you want to go look it up.

That's one reason it's a good idea to rotate foods, IMO. There's no one perfect food.
 
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Some people don't like to use any food with carageenan. It's up to you. But there are very few canned cat foods without it. Some flavors of Weruva, By Nature, and a few more I can'tt think of. There's a thread about it if you want to go look it up.
That's one reason it's a good idea to rotate foods, IMO. There's no one perfect food.
Thanks. 

I was actually looking at Weruva today, but all we have are formulas that say they are for adult maintenance. Although I'm sure we can get the kitten stuff.
 

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I don't think Weruva makes a kitten formula, and it is VERY low calorie. So not appropriate for kittens. I'm not sure which carageenan-free foods are all-life-stages or make a kitten formula. Maybe Nature's Variety? But it does have veggies.
 
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I don't think Weruva makes a kitten formula, and it is VERY low calorie. So not appropriate for kittens. I'm not sure which carageenan-free foods are all-life-stages or make a kitten formula. Maybe Nature's Variety? But it does have veggies.
I'll probably stick with Evo, then change around as an adult.
 

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Cats imprint on their food at a young age. If you don't introduce a wide variety as a kitten, it can be very difficult to introduce new foods later in life. Maybe if you feed all the different EVO proteins in rotation? I don't know if that's enough variety to broaden your kitten's palate (being the same brand, the ingredients besides the protein may all be the same), but it can't hurt.
 

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I too think exposing the kitten to a variety of foods is wise.

Yes stools will be a bit soft, but should not cause full out diarrhea.
 
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I too think exposing the kitten to a variety of foods is wise.

Yes stools will be a bit soft, but should not cause full out diarrhea.
I'll look around for other kitten foods to go along with the Evo.
 

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I will be adopting a cat or kitten, and I believe I have a plan on what to feed it. I'm trying to get what's best, while also keeping cost down, and this is what I came up with.

Nature's Variety Instinct dry once a day, and BFF once a day (I'm thinking the wet in the morning, the dry in the late afternoon). I also plan to purchase a fountain water dish, as I've been reading that cats don't drink as much water for whatever reason. But cats love drinking from faucets, so something like that is ideal. And I was thinking of adding fish oil to the dry food, but since BFF is tuna-based I wasn't sure that was necessary.

If any of you know of a better diet, for around the same cost, I'd love to hear it.

Thanks
My cats have all done very well on the Nutro products.  There are 2 lines of cat food, Nutro Max Cat and Nutro Natural Choice.  Max Cat will be the most economical of the 2 lines.  Nutro makes all of their own products in their own plants, can trace every ingredient from farm to table and does 600 safety and quality checks before release each batch.  Nutro is also AFIA certified and their standards are 8 times above AAFCO's.  It's also guaranteed... don't want it just bring the unused portion back to the retailer for a full refund.  Feel free to browse the website located at http://www.nutro.com/natural-cat-food.aspx   Best of luck to you in your quest and feel free to PM me if you have any questions or concerns.  Enjoy the new baby
 

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I believe it's recommended to feed 1oz of wet for every pound your cat weighs daily. NOT every meal, but total in a day. So it may make sense to just pick a canned food and feed that only.
For kittens its recommended to feed as much as they will eat (like someone said before), but most full grown cats only need 5-6oz of food per day. Now, if you Did find a Maine Coon, that would be another story, but for a regular cat, one can per day will do. :)

For a kitten, I probably would leave dry out during the day. I know it's bad, but I have a hard time keeping kittens well-fed and satisfied on wet food only. I would reduce the dry food as he gets older, though, and cut it out entirely once he's fully grown. However, I DO leave wet food out all night, and then let the dogs have the leftovers. . .and nothing bad has ever happened. So I think that recommendation is a bit overcautious. I've done it with raw, too :anon:. And, the 3 meals a day don't need to be at "traditional" meal times--I feed my cats before work, after work, and at bedtime. I think most working people here do that, too.
Mostly agreed.
Depending on how old the kitten is, you can probably feed in the morning, feed when you get home and then again at night. If he/she is really young, I don't see any problem with putting out refrigerated/half frozen food that will thaw out and be ready to eat while you are gone. Cats are carnivores after all and have hardy stomachs; I open my cans in the evening and finish them the next morning and no harm has ever come of it.

The thing you need to remember with kittens, is they have very sensative little systems.  Any food change, must be made over 2 weeks. With kittens, its really not a good idea, to rotate foods, it upsets their systems. Kittens need to be on kitten food, its higher in protein and calories, for their growing bodys.
I don't agree with this. If anything, kittens are better at handling change than older cats. (As long as we are on the same page and talking about kittens after the 8 week mark.)
Think about kids: They fall down, break a leg and are up and running much faster than adults. Oh, your kid at some mud? Oh well, he'll be fine. Got a cold? Outside the next day. It's when you're young that your body is functioning at its finest.
You don't HAVE to feed kitten food either. It's the numbers and ingredients on the back of the bag that matter, not the pictures on the front.

I don't agree with rotating feeds, if there is an issue, the first thing the vet will ask you, what do you feed, they rule out the food first. If one is feeding more than one food, its harder and takes longer, to rule out the food.  I had an issue a few yrs ago, and time was critical, they had specialists working on her. She only ate BW, so they ruled that out, almost immed, and with a call to BB.  If she was eating more than one, it would have taken alot longer, to rule out the food.  But its a personal choice, and as we say in the horse world, what works for one horse, may not work for another, so we have to go with what works best for us and our kitties.
While it may be true that you could run into a situation where food allergies need to be ruled out, you can remedy the problem by cutting down to one food during diagnosis. Also, as you are well aware, if the company you are feeding from IS involved in a recall, you will have screwed yourself over because now 100% of the food you were feeding was contaminated.
 
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For kittens its recommended to feed as much as they will eat (like someone said before), but most full grown cats only need 5-6oz of food per day. Now, if you Did find a Maine Coon, that would be another story, but for a regular cat, one can per day will do.

Mostly agreed.
Depending on how old the kitten is, you can probably feed in the morning, feed when you get home and then again at night. If he/she is really young, I don't see any problem with putting out refrigerated/half frozen food that will thaw out and be ready to eat while you are gone. Cats are carnivores after all and have hardy stomachs; I open my cans in the evening and finish them the next morning and no harm has ever come of it.
I don't agree with this. If anything, kittens are better at handling change than older cats. (As long as we are on the same page and talking about kittens after the 8 week mark.)
Think about kids: They fall down, break a leg and are up and running much faster than adults. Oh, your kid at some mud? Oh well, he'll be fine. Got a cold? Outside the next day. It's when you're young that your body is functioning at its finest.
You don't HAVE to feed kitten food either. It's the numbers and ingredients on the back of the bag that matter, not the pictures on the front.
While it may be true that you could run into a situation where food allergies need to be ruled out, you can remedy the problem by cutting down to one food during diagnosis. Also, as you are well aware, if the company you are feeding from IS involved in a recall, you will have screwed yourself over because now 100% of the food you were feeding was contaminated.
My recommendation is to feed puppies puppy food, because it not only has more calories and fat for growing kids, but it's nutrient levels are different as well. So that's not true for kittens and kitten food? 
 

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For kittens its recommended to feed as much as they will eat (like someone said before), but most full grown cats only need 5-6oz of food per day. Now, if you Did find a Maine Coon, that would be another story, but for a regular cat, one can per day will do. :)
Mostly agreed.
Depending on how old the kitten is, you can probably feed in the morning, feed when you get home and then again at night. If he/she is really young, I don't see any problem with putting out refrigerated/half frozen food that will thaw out and be ready to eat while you are gone. Cats are carnivores after all and have hardy stomachs; I open my cans in the evening and finish them the next morning and no harm has ever come of it.
I don't agree with this. If anything, kittens are better at handling change than older cats. (As long as we are on the same page and talking about kittens after the 8 week mark.)
Think about kids: They fall down, break a leg and are up and running much faster than adults. Oh, your kid at some mud? Oh well, he'll be fine. Got a cold? Outside the next day. It's when you're young that your body is functioning at its finest.
You don't HAVE to feed kitten food either. It's the numbers and ingredients on the back of the bag that matter, not the pictures on the front.
While it may be true that you could run into a situation where food allergies need to be ruled out, you can remedy the problem by cutting down to one food during diagnosis. Also, as you are well aware, if the company you are feeding from IS involved in a recall, you will have screwed yourself over because now 100% of the food you were feeding was contaminated.
I agree.
 
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