Is this unusual coloring?

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Looks tri-colored to me.  I'd pick a girls name.  Lovely cat by the way.  I love brown tabbies and love cats with a splash of orange on their faces.  It's funny you mentioned not wanting to be shallow for picking such a lovely cat.  I've felt bad for admiring the good looks of my cats so much, but I'm sure they would be pleased that their beauty brings us so much pleasure!
 

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Looks tri-colored to me.  I'd pick a girls name.   Lovely cat by the way.  I love brown tabbies and love cats with a splash of orange on their faces.  It's funny you mentioned not wanting to be shallow for picking such a lovely cat.  I've felt bad for admiring the good looks of my cats so much, but I'm sure they would be pleased that their beauty brings us so much pleasure!
When I was looking at her picture "Sabrina" just poped into my mind.
 
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Just want to say that, just from this photo, I agree with Oriental Slave. To me this does not look like a Torbie (aka Patched Tabby) & White, but a Brown Mackerel Tabby and White with a very high degree of rufousing --. a really warm brown tabby. It looks almost as intense as what they are breeding for with the Toyger. though maybe not the same braided striping effect. The markings just look tabby, the orange looks to be in the agouti areas ( "background" of the tabby pattern) not in patches that sort of overlap the tabby pattern, as seen in the photos of the torbies that were posted. If this is correct, it means that it is all black-based pigment (but with some extra genetic influence making that agouti area so warm in tone) , not a true tricolour which is red-based pigment + black-based pigment + white) . So the colour wouldnt give a clue to gender. But I do think you would be ble to notice the scrotum at 4 months. and if you even felt and did not feel any tiny testicles .... sounds to me like probably a little girl.)
 
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In this photo the kitten looks like a brown (black) tabby with white, with lovely clear markings.  Since he's with white, the orange areas should be fairly clear patches if he was a tortie tabby.  In cats without white, or with very little, the black & orange areas would be smaller and very intermingled.  You can see definite patches in the cat in the last photo - the one on her back looking winsomely up. 

If there's no white on the feet then you often get a mix of pink and black on the pads - but looks like your kitten has four white feet!  And feel the pink nose is because if it had fur, the fur would be white.

Testicles are not always obvious at that age, but the scrotum should be easy to spot between the anus and the urethra.  The two are much futher apart in boys than girls, the distance is about the width of my thumb on my adult girl and 2-3 times that on my adult (neutered) boy.

Should add that a brown tabby can be very warm coloured and that's what your kitten looks like to me, at least in that photo.  Unforunately it's rather dark.  Got any more photos? 
Interesting, you definitely know more about cat colouration than I do.  I have definitely noticed in the past that torties tend to have much smaller patches than calicos, and since this would be a calico/tabby due to the amount of white I suppose you would expect larger orange patches and not some wispy background orange, although there is one are on the forehead in that tabby M that has what looks like a small patch of orange where the brown changes to orange, that makes me believe it still might be a torbie.  I don't know if you can see it in the above pics, but I have another that is better, but we are at the cottage this week and I'm trying to post from this linux netbook, and I don't understand linux well (sorry for the run-on sentence).  I was looking at the pics that I took when we first went to see the kitten and I can see that at least on one front paw the pads alternate black and pink.  I don't know what significance that would have.  We get him/her on Monday so I will take and post pics then and you guys can help me figure out the gender if I can't on my own, and maybe more about the colouring.
Awwwww, what a pretty little kitten! Have you decided on any names?
 
 Only that if it's a boy it's either Ezekiel (Zeke, or Zekie), or Finley (Fin).  Sabrina is cute though, I'll suggest it to the girls.
Just want to say that, just from this photo, I agree with Oriental Slave. To me this does not look like a Torbie (aka Patched Tabby) & White, but a Brown Mackerel Tabby and White with a very high degree of rufousing --. a really warm brown tabby. It looks almaost as intense as what they are breeding for with the Toyger. though maybe not the same braided striping effect. The markings just look tabby, the orange looks to be in the agouti areas ( "background" of the tabby pattern) not in patches that sort of overlap the tabby pattern, as seen in the photos of the torbies that were posted. If this is correct, it means that it is all black-based pigment (but with some extra genetic influence making that agouti area so warm in tone) , not a true tricolour which is red-based pigment + black-based pigment + white) . So the colour wouldnt give a clue to gender. But I do think you would be ble to notice the scrotum at 4 months. and if you even felt and did not feel any tiny testicles .... sounds to me like probably a little girl.)
Thanks, I totally see what you're saying. I would think that the orange areas of a torbie should be dark orange on light orange, not black on orange.  I did see Toygers on my google searches, they are really neat, and also surprising colouration for males.  The only area on my (future) kitten that makes me think it's a torbie is on it's forehead.  Maybe I can figure out how to post a pic on this computer.
 
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This pic shows that funny orange patch on his/her forehead that looks kinda torbie to me.

This one is just cute.
 
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Oh goodness I thought I had posted a whole response before those pictures and now it's not there.  I has said that she/he has black and pink pads on it's front feet, and also what looks like an orange patch on it's forehead that would suggest more torbie than brown tabby, but since we don't get him/her until Monday, I guess we'll see.  There was more but I'll post again once we are back from the cottage and I have a decent computer to work on.
 
 

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Grrr...  Just had kitten-assisted lose of posting!

When you get your kitten, take a photo in good light - daylight - showing the patterned areas.  Before you do it, look to see if you can spot patches of red tabby and aim for those if you think you can see any.  What a tortie-tabby will have is patches of red tabby and patches of brown tabby.  If the kitten was a tortie and white it would be patches of red tabby and patches of black, which are far easier to spot especially since this kitten looks like it might have a lot of rufousing as well.
 

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Thanks for sharing the other pics of this cutie. Hmmmm that forehead patch does look like red is sort of overlaying the tabby pattern. Usually you would see that in more places, though. And Oriental Slave is right -- and so were you when you said that in a torbie you would expect to see the red-based patches would have darker orange stripes / blotches and light orange background. You can clearly see that on Fastnoc's pretty torbie girl for example. Maybe it does show in more places? Anyway, it will be a good excuse ( along with extreme cuteness) for why we simply MUST see more photos of this kitten! It doesn't count as torbie if the orange is just in between black stripes looking like the background of the stripe pattern. That would be just a really "warm" brown tabby -- and to use the Toyger as example, that's actually not more unusual in a male than a female, because it is not coming from 2 different base colors. It would be from black plus the tabby pattern plus other "rufous" gene(s) that influence the shade of the agouti areas of that black-based tabby pattern. So it's not the same genetic cause that is the (usual) cause of tortoiseshell, where the cat inherits red from one parent and "not red" ( which defaults to black) from the other... and the red turns off and on randomly during embryonic development, so you get that patchwork or mottled look. If that bit on the forehead is the only place like that, it is even possible it could be some some sort of mosaicism. Re the paw pads: . If the cat did not have white patches, then the paw pads being part pink and part black would have more significance. but pink paw pads are associated with either red OR white. So in a cat with the white spotting factor, it's always possible when you see a pink toe , that it's from the same cause as the white spots on the coat.
 

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What a handsome feline! This beauty is certainly going to be a love for life. He looks like something Dr. Seuss conjured up.
 

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Oh my gosh....beautiful photos....and definitely looks like orange on the face.
 
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You can see that she has a big orange tabby splotch on her neck in this picture


Another orange tabby splotch on the tummy


Just a cute pic showing her colouring in good lighting.  She has these rusty looking spots on her back that you can see.  Not sure if they are due to orange colouration or rufousing.


You can see the one dark orange stripe she has on the inside of her arm amid the other black stripes.


The backs of her feet look very calico.


Just another cute pic, but the use of the flash is unfortunate.  At least they don't glow red like my siamese's eyes did LOL.


Chilling out, showing off her pretty stripes.


This one shows more orange tabby splotches on her hind leg.
 

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Gorgeous!!! And that is definitely a little girl cat. Calicos are always female. (Except in case of genetic weirdness, like chimeras and XXY kitties. But those are mutations and not very common.)

Try showing her the scratching post first. Rub it with catnip, make it interesting. Maybe she'll like it so much you won't need to use Soft Paws on her at all.

How old is she, anyway?

Love the look of the pink collar on her. Just darling!
 
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Gorgeous!!! And that is definitely a little girl cat. Calicos are always female. (Except in case of genetic weirdness, like chimeras and XXY kitties. But those are mutations and not very common.)

Try showing her the scratching post first. Rub it with catnip, make it interesting. Maybe she'll like it so much you won't need to use Soft Paws on her at all.

How old is she, anyway?

Love the look of the pink collar on her. Just darling!
So far she's not sure about the kong catnip spray I bought.  When she gets a whiff of it she squints her eyes and shakes her head.  Maybe I just used too much?  I put some on the post and she hasn't shown much interest in it.  She did climb onto the carpeted cat tree today but didn't scratch it, but it doesn't have that rope stuff on it like the post.  I tried scratching the post myself but she just looks at me.  She is 4 months old.  I love the pink collar on her too, I bought it ahead because I was sure she was female, and if I was wrong I could have exchanged it.  I love how it looks with her little pink nose.
 

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Aww...if I could design the perfect looking cat it would be that little girl....love her!  Just wanted to mention that only 1 of my 3 cats likes sisal rope for a scratching surface.  It is too rough on the paws for the other 2.  I've found a really good scratching post is not available at petsmart (at least where I live.)  We ordered one similar to this...

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produ...6111&subref=AA&CAWELAID=525357944&cagpspn=pla

It is sisal weave, not rope.  It is softer on the paws and tall enough for a good stretch up, and sturdy.  It is the only one of our many scratching posts that all 3 cats love.  I just thought I'd chime in on that since finding a scratching post your cat will love is so important.  Good luck.
 
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Aww...if I could design the perfect looking cat it would be that little girl....love her!  Just wanted to mention that only 1 of my 3 cats likes sisal rope for a scratching surface.  It is too rough on the paws for the other 2.  I've found a really good scratching post is not available at petsmart (at least where I live.)  We ordered one similar to this...

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produ...6111&subref=AA&CAWELAID=525357944&cagpspn=pla

It is sisal weave, not rope.  It is softer on the paws and tall enough for a good stretch up, and sturdy.  It is the only one of our many scratching posts that all 3 cats love.  I just thought I'd chime in on that since finding a scratching post your cat will love is so important.  Good luck.
Oh nice, that one looks much better than what I have.  Mine is so short, I got it for $5 used, but couldn't tell how small it was in the picture.  Our cat tree is huge but carpeted, and I don't know if she'll use it for scratching.  It says they ship to Canada too, thanks for the link!
 
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