Patricia's T4 level

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The vet called Mom on her cell phone today. He told her although Patricia's T4 level is not elevated, he wants to test her again when she gets her dental in 6 months because it is not where he wants it to be. What does that mean? Her weight is 9 pounds and change, not a big loss, so there is nothing to be alarmed about. When Wilbur's T4 level was at the high end of normal, his problem was not hyperthyroidsim and the test was done to diagnose or rule out HT because of rapid weight loss. Should I be concerned Patricia's T4 level will get too high by the end of the year?
 

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Bobby, my first kitty ever who passed in 2009, had hyperthyroidism. His  T4 levels were through the roof. I'm sure it's nothing to worry about, if he wants a test taken again in six months, then it probably isn't anything urgent. He's probably just trying to err on the side of caution.

Here is some reading that helped me out when Bobby was diagnosed: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=1+2130&aid=218, maybe it will help you to understand the illness and to the best of your ability prevent it. Try to get her T4 checked as often as you can (about maybe every 2mos) just to be on the safe side.

When it comes to hyperthyroidism, it's all about timing. If caught early, it can be easily managed!

Good luck, and give Patricia a cuddle for me!
 

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there was an article in the June 2012 issue of Catnip newsletter about a possible therapeutic diet for hyperthyroidism. it's still early and the diet is from the evil Hill's (y/d). it has a much lower concentration of iodine in it.
 

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there was an article in the June 2012 issue of Catnip newsletter about a possible therapeutic diet for hyperthyroidism. it's still early and the diet is from the evil Hill's (y/d). it has a much lower concentration of iodine in it.
I know this thread is about a month old, but wanted to post about Hill's Y/D food just in case anyone was thinking about using this for their hyper-T kitty.

From Dr. Peterson's Insights into Veterinary Endocrinology blog where he answers a question from someone that used Hill's Y/D (note that this kitty also had diabetes, but the fact about the contents of this diet are pertinent for hyper-T only kitties due to lower caloric content, low protein, and high carbs:
"Poorly controlled hyperthyroidism on the y/d diet
First of all, the serum T4 concentration in this hyperthyroid cat only decreased into the high-normal range. If you had measured a free T4 concentration in this cat when fed the y/d, I can guarantee that the free T4 value would have been quite high. No matter what treatment is given, it’s important to lower the total T4 concentration into the mid-normal range to ensure that the cat’s free T4 is also normalized and whole-body euthyroidism is restored (3,5,6).

So persistent and poorly controlled hyperthyroidism certainly contributed to the worsening of this cat’s weight loss and muscle wasting, despite the increased appetite in this cat. Remember hyperthyroidism accelerates the metabolic rate and body’s energy expenditure (7,8); these cats are burning up their food calories faster than they can consume their daily meals (5,6,9). In some cats, as in your patient, the body consumes its own muscle tissue to get the protein it needs to sustain its carnivorous life.

Decreased caloric intake on the y/d diet
In addition to the poorly controlled hyperthyroidism, it also appears that your cat was eating significantly fewer calories when fed the y/d. If we compare the caloric content of Purina DM to Hill’s y/d, we find that ½ cup of DM provides almost 300 kcal whereas ½ cup of y/d provides only 259 kcal (2,10). This 40 kcal per day might not seem like much, but that’s a 15% decrease in the amount of daily calories ingested!

Another important point in this cat is the fact that she did not find the y/d particularly palatable, and therefore did not eat more of the y/d food to compensate for the lower-caloric food. Remember, a few cats may actually like the y/d, but almost all of the cats I have seen on the diet would much rather eat another type of food if given the choice (11).

Decreased protein intake on y/d diet
In addition to caloric density, Hill’s y/d is also much lower in protein compared to the Purina DM (36% vs 58% on a dry matter basis) (2,10).

Remember that protein is the primary macronutrient responsible for maintenance of muscle mass. Restoring and preserving any remaining muscle tissue in cats treated for hyperthyroidism depends upon the cat consuming a diet with sufficient amounts of high-quality protein.

The lower protein intake of Hill’s y/d, together with the lower caloric intake, both contributed to the muscle breakdown and rapid loss of muscle mass in this cat when fed the diet. If this cat had been able to increase the daily amounts of y/d ingested, this may have lessened or prevented the loss of muscle mass that developed in the cat (12,13).

Higher carbohydrate intake on y/d diet
It is well accepted by most practicing veterinarians who specialize in feline medicine that a low-carbohydrate diet is a mainstay in the treatment of diabetes mellitus, especially if remission of the diabetic state is the goal. Feeding a low-carbohydrate diet will improve insulin sensitivity, reduce or eliminate the need for exogenous insulin, and help stabilize glucose metabolism in these cats (14-16).

If remission is achieved, it is very important to continue the low carb diet. In this cat, remission of diabetes was maintained for years by feeding Purina DM diet, which is relatively low in carbohydrates (i.e., 15% on a dry matter basis). Most feline veterinarians like to feed even lower levels of carbs (< 10%) to cats with active diabetes (14,15). To achieve these low carbohydrate levels, we must feed a canned food —none of the available dry cat foods contain <10% carbohydrates. If the diabetic cat goes into remission, we recommend maintaining a restricted carbohydrate diet for life to help prevent relapse of the diabetic state.

In contrast, Hill’s dry y/d diet is relatively high in carbs (i.e., 29% on a dry matter basis), much higher than the 15% found in Purina dry DM diet (2,10). This increased carbohydrate load likely contributed to this cat’s hyperglycemia and probably would have led to recurrence of overt diabetes mellitus if the y/d diet had been continued."
Just saying that I would no way feed Hill's Y/D to a hyper-T kitty.
 
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I would never even think about buying any Hill's products again. If Patricia does get into the HT range, I will do the same thing for her I did for Emily because nothing works better than I-131.

However, it is good to know a diet change can help for those kitties who don't live close to a qualified HT treatment hospital or can't afford it.
 

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I would never even think about buying any Hill's products again. If Patricia does get into the HT range, I will do the same thing for her I did for Emily because nothing works better than I-131.

However, it is good to know a diet change can help for those kitties who don't live close to a qualified HT treatment hospital or can't afford it.
yes, the place down the street from me charges $1700 for radioactive iodine therapy (I-131): http://svsvets.com/hyperthyroidtxDVM.html

i imagine that the homemade raw feeders could create a low-iodine diet
 
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Yes, the place down the street from me charges $1700 for radioactive iodine therapy (I-131): http://svsvets.com/hyperthyroidtxDVM.html

I imagine that the homemade raw feeders could create a low-iodine diet.
Because iodine makes pets radioactive after treatment I was surprised when I saw it is an ingredient in some foods and lower in HT formulas. That looks backwards to me.

I only had to pay $850 for the treatment itself, but the bill went over $1000 because Emily had to be hospitalized for a few days. Of course, I'm always going to say it was worth every cent because it cured Emily, who would not have cooperated with a diet switch.
 
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