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Johnny Depp's Comments about the US

post #1 of 44
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For those who haven't seen it, here is the CNN article, from www.cnn.com

BERLIN, Germany (Reuters) -- Hollywood star Johnny Depp said on Wednesday the United States was a stupid, aggressive puppy and he would not live there until the political climate changed.

The 40-year-old actor, who stars in the "Pirates of the Caribbean," told the German news magazine Stern he was happier staying in the south of France with his wife, the French actress and singer Vanessa Paradis, and their two children.

"America is dumb, it's like a dumb puppy that has big teeth that can bite and hurt you, aggressive," he said.

"My daughter is four, my boy is one. I'd like them to see America as a toy, a broken toy. Investigate it a little, check it out, get this feeling and then get out," said the star of the off-beat films "Edward Scissorhands" and "Dead Man."

Depp slammed George W. Bush's administration for its criticism of French opposition to the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

"I was ecstatic they re-named 'French Fries' as 'Freedom Fries'. Grown men and women in positions of power in the U.S. government showing themselves as idiots," he told Stern.
post #2 of 44
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For some reason, Johnny's comments about the US really didn't bother me. Kate Hudson's comments bothered me, many other actors' comments have offended me.

I think the reason is that he took the old addage "If you don't like it, leave" to heart. He doesn't like the way it's run, so he did leave.
post #3 of 44
I read that as well and was thinking of posting it

i agree with Heidi, he didnt like it so he left. Fair enough, and simple enough. Makes sense.
post #4 of 44
You can't fault someone for his honest opinion of a place he grew up in( I assume) and left for lack of liking it. He, of anyone, is allowed to say this because he isn't still living there taking advantage of the good things and at the same time dissing the bad.

I kinda agree with the puppy comparison ...and the French Fries thing WAS, well- idiotic. He hit the nail on the head, IMO.
post #5 of 44
I wasn't bothered by his comments, because they didn't seem mean-spirited. He was simply giving his honest opinion. I really hope there is no backlash against him for this.
post #6 of 44
I guess he has a right to his opinion just as the rest of us do...and the fact he doesn't live in America anymore shows he stands by his opinion and doesn't just voice it and do nothing. I however do not agree with his opinion...but that is just MY opinion and I still live here!
post #7 of 44
Geez, put a handsome face to those comments and suddenly everything's fine (Just kidding ladies!)

Seriously, though, I agree with everyone here; he said he doesn't like this country, so he moved out. I can appreciate that kind of honesty and integrity. What I CANNOT appreciate is The Ninth Gate. Ugh, just terrible.
post #8 of 44
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Originally posted by glentheman20
Geez, put a handsome face to those comments and suddenly everything's fine (Just kidding ladies!)

Seriously, though, I agree with everyone here; he said he doesn't like this country, so he moved out. I can appreciate that kind of honesty and integrity. What I CANNOT appreciate is The Ninth Gate. Ugh, just terrible.
Honestly Glen, that's part of why I posted this here with my reaction to it. Johnny is my latest fascination, and I really wondered how much this had to do with my reaction to his statements.

I'm glad I wasn't just rationalizing something to suit my own tastes.

And I have to agree, The Ninth Gate was BAD!
post #9 of 44
He could have been as ugly as dirt and I still would have posted the same opinon!
post #10 of 44
At least he has left since he doesn't like it here. We have enough mediocre actors with big mouths.
post #11 of 44
Heidi, I'm a little fascinated lately by him, too, (completely off topic--he is so darn hot!!) Back to topic, I am glad others aren't as offended by his comments, I don't feel like I'm excusing him because he looks so good. He chose to leave the US, which is his choice.

Yeah, the Ninth Gate was pretty bad, but I am looking forward to Once Upon a Time in Mexico.
post #12 of 44
I don't mind at all what he said. People shoot their mouths off all the time about everything and that's just part of life. I kind of agree with him about the puppy thing, and it's obvious that he's not anti USA, just anti powers that be. We all have a right to that, even people living here. I personally cannot stand what this administration has done, yet I would never ever tell someone (even a bush lover!) that they can't speak their mind because we're all entitled to that.

I still can't believe the whole dixie chicks thing though, that everyone got so upset about it. It was probably just because of timing..
post #13 of 44
I don't think I'm a Bush lover ....but I think he was the lesser of two evils!!! (so to speak) And I do appreciate the fact that he seems to look to God for some of his guidance. Not intirely thrilled with some of his actions...but still respect him and think he was doing what he thought was right for his country.

(Not to get off the track there...sorry......Just commenting on the last post)
post #14 of 44
I hope I didn't offend you! I just meant that even though I really detest Bush I still wouldn't want someone who really supports him not to be able to speak his mind.. I have the utmost respect for the opinions of others even if mine are completely different!
post #15 of 44
Oh no, you didn't offend me...not in the least...that is what this forum is for...to share different opinons and still respect and like each other in the morning! (so to speak)
post #16 of 44
Johnny Depp makes most of his money from American movie audiences. It seems a little wrong to me to be putting down the country that feeds him and his family.

IMO
post #17 of 44
But who can blame Captain Jack Sparrow for speaking his mind? Its what he does best

I was never a huge Depp fan before, but holy CRAP does he make a hot pirate! Cap'n Jack can come pilage my house any day Here's hoping there are sequels, and lots of em!!

Sorry...OT here
post #18 of 44
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Originally posted by Coco Maui
Johnny Depp makes most of his money from American movie audiences. It seems a little wrong to me to be putting down the country that feeds him and his family.

IMO

That's what offended me so much about Kate Hudson's comments that Americans are rude and fat (paraphrased) and no wonder the world hates us. Her comments were personal, to all Americans who DO in fact pay her salary.

Johnny's comments weren't aimed at one person, not even specifically at Bush (like the Dixie Chick's comments were). They were aimed at policy and basically the whole of people who hated the French so much for their political position.

I guess that's another factor why his comments don't sting to me like the others did.
post #19 of 44
I'm not rich, famous and (in the opinion of some people here, obviously) sexy, but I do have one thing in common with Depp (maybe he should change his name: "ein Depp" is an idiot in German!): we are both ex-pats, and I'm sure that he has had the same experience I've had - everybody in our countries of residence seemingly wants to know what we think about U.S. policy, and if we're insulted, hurt, infuriated, etc. by criticism of U.S. policy and public opinion. When you are on the outside looking in, you are more exposed to opinions formed by different histories, geopolitical and economic interests, social values, religious trends, etc., etc.. He also lives in Europe, where people are far more cautious about patriotism, and thus critical of their politicians, because of two World Wars, a history of religious conflicts, and the formation of the European Union. I doubt that he chose to live abroad because he didn't like life in the U.S.: his profession allows him to live wherever he wants while continuing to work, whereas his wife is more or less dependent on a French audience, much like Madonna's situation. My husband and I chose to live in Germany simply because my language skills and job opportunities were better in Germany than his in the U.S. Based on my experience, living abroad for extended periods causes you to cast a more critical eye on both your native country and your adopted country, because you have a basis for comparison that most people lack. I'd like to hear Kelli's opinion on this, as her situation is comparable. And I agree: "Freedom Fries, Toast, etc. = silly!"
post #20 of 44
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From what I read, Johnny chose to live in France because he wanted a better place for his kids to grow up than in America. (Told you I am fascinated! ) While his wife I'm sure contributed to the idea, it sounded like he didn't want his kids exposed to everything America has in it.
post #21 of 44
I grew up in the U.S., have lived in Germany for almost half my life, and have spent extensive periods in Britain, Hungary, Austria, and Switzerland - believe me, there are positive and negative aspects to living in ANY country. People are people, cats are cats, dogs are dogs, and (most, IMO,) politicians and CEOs are untrustworthy - wherever you live!
post #22 of 44
I had a thought about this whole subject, why it's acceptable for Johnny Depp to say what he said and not acceptable for what Kate Hudson and the Dixie Chicks said. Johnny Depp seems to have kept his life very private, and anytime he is in the magazines or on TV is when he's out promoting a movie. He's out there selling the product of his job and not out there selling himself. In contrast, we see Kate Hudson or the Dixie Chicks almost daily or weekly in the media, no matter if they have a movie or a CD to promote. So, he's much more like us "normal" people, who live quiet lives away from the spotlight. That's why I think his views are much more acceptable.
post #23 of 44
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From cnn.com

LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- Denying any anti-American sentiment on his part, actor Johnny Depp said quotes attributed to him as likening the United States to a "dumb puppy" were inaccurate and taken out of context.

"I am an American. I love my country and have great hopes for it," Depp said in a statement. "It is for this reason that I speak candidly and sometimes critically about it. I have benefited greatly from the freedom that exists in my country and for this I am eternally grateful."

Depp, starring in the swashbuckling film "Pirates of the Caribbean," issued the statement a day after the German news magazine Stern published an interview in which he ridiculed Washington's confrontation with France, where he lives, over the U.S. war in Iraq.

The magazine quoted the actor as saying: "America is...like a dumb puppy that has big teeth that can bite and hurt you, aggressive."

Explaining his comments a day later, Depp said he had been using a metaphor that was taken "radically out of context," adding, "There was no anti-American sentiment."

"What I was saying was that, compared to Europe, America is a very young country and we are still growing as a nation. My deepest apologies to those who were offended, affected, or hurt by this insanely twisted deformation of my words and intent."

Kentucky-born Depp, 40, lives in the south of France with his French wife, actress-singer Vanessa Paradis, and their children.
post #24 of 44
Actually I totally believe Depp on what he says there. Reporters always twist words around to get the most sensational story to make it to the front page.

I'm so glad that I'm not quoted on what I say daily, since I would forever be retracting my words to remain 'politically correct'!



post #25 of 44
I'm glad someone printed a clarification of what he said. I wasn't offended by his comments, in some ways, I see his point. And yeah, that whole Freedom fries thing was beyond stupid, IMO.

I was quoted recently in my local paper, and some of what they wrote that I said was not what I said. It happens, but people sometimes forget that reporters are people, and therefore fallible. We have to remember that not everything we see in print is the whole truth.
post #26 of 44
Why is it that an American living abroad is often denied the right to say anything critical of the U.S., although people in other countries discount our opinions because we are Americans? And can anyone explain to me why Kate Hudson or the Dixie Chicks are being denied the right (here, too) to express their opinions? The Bill of Rights is an extremely important document, not just for the U.S., but for the rest of the world, so why are so many people here just ignoring its existence?
post #27 of 44
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They all have every right to say whatever they want about the US. I also have a right to be offended by it. Kate Hudson's comments that Americans are fat and rude offended me. Perhaps it was the timing of Natalie's comments (Dixie Chicks - who live in Texas), or the circumstances, that made her words sting to me. I'm not quite sure why the general public doesn't have the right to disagree when famous people criticize the US to people who are so vehement about defending the entertainers' rights to Freedom of Speech. (Not pointing any fingers here. ) Do those right ONLY apply to those with an audience?

But why is it, when he says that it was taken out of context and he isn't anti-American it is so hard to believe? I've had CNN Headline News on all afternoon and their lead in to his statement released in response to the article was verging on all out sarcasm. Unlike the Dixie Chicks who only released an explanation (read: apology, and we all knew it wasn't sincere, but something her pubicist insisted on) after their music was boycotted, Johnny released his statement the day after the magazine was published. He isn't getting a big backlash for his statements, except FROM the media! (At least what I have seen, which I admit is limited.)

Even if his words weren't taken out of context, they were a criticism of the US, not bashing it. Perhaps that is the biggest difference and why many of us who were very much offended by the others weren't offended and could even find truth in what he said. It's all in the delivery.
post #28 of 44
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Originally posted by valanhb
They all have every right to say whatever they want about the US. I also have a right to be offended by it. Kate Hudson's comments that Americans are fat and rude offended me. Perhaps it was the timing of Natalie's comments (Dixie Chicks - who live in Texas), or the circumstances, that made her words sting to me. I'm not quite sure why the general public doesn't have the right to disagree when famous people criticize the US to people who are so vehement about defending the entertainers' rights to Freedom of Speech. (Not pointing any fingers here. ) Do those right ONLY apply to those with an audience?
I think the general public does have the right to disagree with what the celebrities have said. We've seen it here on the forums, and I've seen it on my local news (I don't know what is going on in the rest of the US, so I can only speak about the Cleveland viewing area). The question I still have is why celebrities are attacked for stating their views when I share the same views, expressed them here and didn't have any of the anger and disgust directed at me that they did? Is it because I'm not famous and in the public eye? And does being famous mean that your thoughts and opinions are somehow less worthy than those of us who will never be famous?
post #29 of 44
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Like I said Christy, it's all in the delivery! You say it in a way that is well thought out, and you back up your opinion. You don't say it in an insulting manner, which is certainly how I read Kate Hudson's comments. Johnny's comments, whether taken out of context or not, weren't said in an insulting manner. So at least what I saw here is that even those who disagree with him weren't insulted.

Being famous or in the spotlight, or being Joe Schmoe on the street, doesn't make being insulted feel any different. The difference is that when Joe Schmoe says it, no matter how insulting, it doesn't make the headlines. When it's in the headlines it gets discussed, and unfortunately until Natalie Maines or Kate Hudson joins TCS we don't get to hear their rationale behind what they said, or to back up their opinions.
post #30 of 44
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Originally posted by valanhb
Being famous or in the spotlight, or being Joe Schmoe on the street, doesn't make being insulted feel any different. The difference is that when Joe Schmoe says it, no matter how insulting, it doesn't make the headlines. When it's in the headlines it gets discussed, and unfortunately until Natalie Maines or Kate Hudson joins TCS we don't get to hear their rationale behind what they said, or to back up their opinions.
Well, it would be interesting if they joined TCS But, as we've seen, journalists are willing to take comments out of context (Johnny Depp) or make things up out of thin air (our own Bren.1). Perhaps Natalie Maines and Kate Hudson do have well thought out rationales behind what they said (well, I hate to say it, but probably not in the case of Kate Hudson). But in our world of the 5 second sound bite, these rationales (or any sign of intellectual thought) are what gets cut out for the 6 o'clock news or Entertainment Tonight. So, in light of this, I'm still honestly confused why Johnny Depp gets the benefit of the doubt while Natalie Maines and Kate Hudson don't.
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