Is a papillon a good dog with cats?

Is a papillon a good dog breed with cats? Older well socialized and raised with cats?

If for your house it may pick up the JRT issues. 

Person on my block has 2 and a few cats no issues.  Have heard kids may be more issue then cats.  Also big difference in a pet store dog vs a breeder dog raised in a home with kids/cats

The jrt is in a much more suited home now and happy, I am getting daily updates.

They're a fragile breed of dog which means it can NEVER be left alone with small/hyper children.

Toy dogs that aren't hunting type dogs usually do well with cats. I agree with the others that small children could be more of a problem. They will have to be taught to be calm around the dog and that there can be no rough housing. The toy dogs are easily hurt by anything more than gentle handling and will become snappy with children who do rough house with them.

My youngest is close to six.
They do well with my moms Pomeranian.

All breeds of dogs can have issues.  There are many personality types within breeds.  A papillion won best in show at Westminster several years back, and that always leads to over breeding, and hence, health problems and behavioral issues.  Just because a dog is raised with cats, does not mean it will be cool with your cats.  It is going to take a lot of work, patience and training to adjust any new dog to a new house.  Dogs see cats as either pack members (if you are lucky), or prey.  Thats all dogs. Because dog personalities and cat personalities are so varied, each dog and each cat will react differently to eachother.  So, to say it was raised with cats, may make it more likely that they will eventually get along, but it does not always work that way.  There are many behavioral issues though.  Just because a dog was raised with cats, does not mean it will not do other things that are disruptive to your household.

Sorry but my opinion, having known several Papillons, is they aren't good dogs. PERIOD.

If you're looking for a friendly, laid back dog who will do well with cats, get a Bichon Frise.

I have decided that a Bichon is going to be my retirement dog. In general they seem like such happy sociable dogs. They do need regular haircuts but the bonus in that department is little to no shedding. They aren't a toy dog but they are small and as far as exercise go they are fine with just the regular walks.

Have you got a home lined up for when this one goes wrong?

Judge not lest ye be judged? Anyone?

Thanks for that.

Would you like to start critiquing my parenting too?

Sorry maybe that was a little uncalled for on my part.
I did an unselfish thing for unselfish reasons for the best of everyone involved (except myself) and I do not feel the need to justify myself. I don't want to repeat the same mistake.
And isn't it better to be asking advice this time BEFORE the fact?

One major issue is where are these dogs coming from/bred from.  Pet store bought will always have bad handling by people/breeding values

I think you need to do research and look into the breed and forum from people who own one.  Asking here is good to but the more detailed daily life is available to you just as easily.

I would go to a shelter/rescue where fostering to adopt is done.  And get a dog who is currently being fostered by someone experienced who can help see if the dogs a match for your situation.

Also would wait some time.  I had to euthanize my dog as he became more and more aggresive.  I waited about a year as wanted to make sure I didn't rush into the same issues.  You have plenty of time to research as there is no rush when it comes to something as big as adding a dog.  And some animals are just not right for everyones lifestyle or at that point in life.
 

Paps are veryvery active and smart little dogs. Some owners describe them as "the toy Border Collie". Sometimes active and smart are good things, sometimes not :tongue2: . They're also sensitive and can be prone to separation anxiety.

What qualities do you want in a dog? Keeping in mind that most things are training/socialization issues. And, yeah, what kind of breeder you buy from makes a HUGE difference. Make sure you like how they raise their dogs and that you enjoy their dogs' personalities. Or get an older dog from a rescue place so you know what his/her personality is like. Puppies are such a gamble.

I dont think it is out of line to assume that if your house was not the right place for one dog, its not goint to be the right place for another.  I said that in your first post about Pete (what I actually said was something like- Going out and getting another dog after that is not the best idea).  All dogs have problems.  It takes a lot of work to train a dog to be the way you want it to be.  When your kids are older it would be a lot easier. 

Im not saying you did the wrong thing finding a better home for Pete.  I am just saying that if your home was not the right situation for Pete, it may not be  the right situation for any dog at the moment.  I am also not saying you would not be a great dog mom.  Its just your situation as it is.

Those of us who have dogs that we think of as "our babies" have a hard time with things like this.  It is hard on a dog to be rehomed. As it is a child in foster care.   

If you wait, it may be a lot easier on you, your children, and your potential dog.

And, Yes, it is great to get advice before the fact, and I definatly commend you for that.  BUT sometimes the advice you get isnt what you want to hear.

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Everyone is entitled to their opinions.

I understand we are ALL passionate about our fur children.

I love my cats and I love Pete.
I should not have sought outside advice about him.
I am confident in my family and my decisions. I know I made a quick impulse decision with him and I know that was a mistake.
I get it about the comment that maybe if our home wasn't right for one dog it won't be right for another. But for instance it would be horrible for a French Britney spaniel but perfect for a pug.
I am trying to do it right the next time.
Anyway I am sorry if my statement was uncalled for. I understand someone who works with homeless pets would be upset.
I used to foster dogs, before I ever had children. It was frustrating. And my first dog as a 9 year old had been abused by children.
I don't know what else to say.

I don't know the situation with Pete but from the thread, it sounds to me like he may have been too much for your family to handle? Am I getting that right? If so, I would not recommend a papillion. The ones I have met, and granted, there haven't been THAT many, but the ones I have known were high strung, yappy and ill-mannered. Now, the ill-mannered part was simply a lack of training and the pet parents are solely to blame for that. I have said it before and I will say it again, just because it's a small dog doesn't mean it can't be trained. And a papillion will take work. Do you have the amount of time needed to adequately train the dog and your family on interacting with the dog? I realize that may sound silly but it's not, my DH and I don't have children and I find my training time is stretched thin, just with the minimal amount of things we have going on, a family with a 6 yo, I can't imagine.

If you are set on getting a small dog, I would encourage you to go with a less high strung variety that may not be as small and fragile....and go with an adult over a puppy.

And if you have just given a dog to a rescue, please hold off and think it through more thoroughly. It may be what you WANT, but is it what you NEED?

Its great that you used to foster dogs, wouldn't this maybe a good idea to try now? That way you can find one that really gets on well with you and all the family and help out the rescues at the same time.