Looking for a Birman Breeder....

Trying to find a Birman Breeder..... We are wanting to get on a waiting list for one. Our current cat is almost 17 and is getting to where we are watching her day by day. I know we will not want another cat immediately, but I know I will want one. So, I am trying to get in touch with a breeder that I like, so that when it is time, I will not be making any impulsive buys of a cute kitten....

If you know of any, or are one..... please let me know, or share the website..... I really appreciate it, and I am more than happy to answer any questions about myself, my family and our pets. Oh, and we are looking for a Seal Birman....

Thank You!!!

You can visit cat shows in your area to meet breeders, also try the FBRL site http://www.breedlist.com/breeders/bir.html

Thanks, I haven't seen any local cat shows(eastern WA) around here, and I have looked on the CFA website.... I will check out the one you gave me. I am just having alot of trouble finding one. I would love to find a somewhat close one, but we are the type who will travel and pick one up too. I really was hoping to find one that someone reccommends, or has experience with. I really want to make sure we get a good healthy and well raised cat.
 

Manny and Susan Levine of Kazakatz in Southern California have some beautiful Birmans.

You can contact them at kazakatz @ pacbell . net (remove the spaces)

Scott

Go to quailridgebirmans.com

I was referred to them by a friend when I was looking for a birman, but went instead to someone else closer to me in CA.

Hi,

I wrote the previous post in a rush, but since the breeder is in Oregon I thought that would be a little closer to you

I have two Birmans myself and fell in love with the breed when I visited cat shows.  Giorgio is 3 and a chocolate point and Kashmir is only 7 months and a cream point Birman.   I knew a breeder in SanJose but her job transferred her to Minnesota, so that would be too far for you.

I met a very nice breeder at a catshow in Fresno,( kissifursbirmans.com) but they only have blues and seals and I was looking for a flame or cream the second time around.

They are wonderful, extra sweet cats and I dont know why more people aren't breeding them!

Hope this helps in your search, good luck   

Oh, we are not picky about where in the country the breeder is located. We like to travel. I am on a waiting list for a chow when my two older chows are gone and whenever that pup gets born, we are going to NC for it.... We don't mind driving to pick up a Birman. I am not looking for one yet, persay. Just trying to find a breeder. We have a very sweet old kitty and I couldn't bring in a kitten while she is still here. She loves other animals, but the stress she goes into by trying to watch and protect them I think will be too much for her now.

I have seen the quailridge site too, and that one looks nice. I am just trying to find referrals from people so that I know I am really getting a good and healthy cat. We have had a 1/2 Birman before and adored her... She was exactly like one, but was a different color. But body style, fur and attitude was Birman... LOL The only issue I am having is the price of them... yeouch!! I know it is worth it but it is still alot for a cat. Guess we need to start another jar for "kitty fund" LOL

Thank you all for the links, and if anyone else has any other suggestions, please let me know!

OK, my parents used to breed chows.  And I can tell you, having grown up with them and some of the stories and issues that would come up later with people... Chows can be very difficult with change or new pets.  They have a very small window of acceptance.  If you want a kitten, I would get it at approximately the same time as you get your puppy.  This way, it would increase the chances of them being able to accept eachother. 

Some of the horror stories we would hear is that people would wait until the puppy was a year old or so, and get a new kitty, hoping they would bond.  The chows, about 90% of the time, ended up killing the cats!  A few even ate them.  We would hear about chows not accepting new people, as well. Chows are also very stubborn.  My parents would have to screen people thoroughly and even had to have contracts drawn up and notorized because people would just see little teddy bear bundles of fur and not think about the personalities of a chow chow.  My parents would sit people that had been screened and accepted down and explain, drill it in really, the small window of acceptance of newness and difficulties of the breed.  This is something very serious to consider.  I don't know what the living situation will be like but with chows, you need to be careful, especially if you wait to get a new kitty. 

I can contact my Paige's breeder and see if she can help you or has kittens available?  She lives in Missouri.  She does ship on planes.  Let me know. 

Thank you ... We actually currently have two chows and I have worked with Chow Rescue for years. We are not getting our chow pup until after these chows are gone(they are both 7 this year and both have such severe HD that they will probably only be able to make it another year or so... if we are lucky. We are already dealing with some bad issues like them crying when they get up, etc. Things like that.) That is why we are fine with waiting for a few years on a waiting list for both a dog and a cat. Preference for us would be to get the cat first. But, we are big in socialization, Chi-Ching, my white chow was almost a therapy dog for our nursing home but because of his hips, he can't handle the walking and sometimes rough handling, and so I am hoping to do that with this Chow as well. But this is a much better bred chow than mine. So hopefully it will actually get to do it. I am a huge promoter of socializing, although I am not a huge promoter of Chows, and that is just because I do not want them to get popular again... Dogs get ruined when that happens.

Anyway, about a Birman, I would like to get one first if possible and let them be king/queen of the house and teach the pup whats for... LOL
 

Does your breeder have a website? I am not ready to get a cat yet. Tiocy gets to be the only queen until she is gone. She has earned it

Here is a pic of my cat, Tiocy

And my two chows, Chi-Ching(white) and Mao Mao(red)

Very cute bunny and cat the dogs are gorgeous too

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severe HD

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I do not want them to get popular again... Dogs get ruined when that happens.

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HD?  Tried Google and it came up with a band!

In my view dogs also get ruined if they are not popular enough - the gene pool shrinks.  When they are popular the BYBs jump on the bandwagon.

Hip Dysplasia OS

Agree re the BYB's and popular breeds, Ocicat breeders are always thankful they've never become as popular as Bengals. So many BYB or poor registered breeders involved with that breed.

LBBs said:

Thank you ... We actually currently have two chows and I have worked with Chow Rescue for years. We are not getting our chow pup until after these chows are gone(they are both 7 this year and both have such severe HD that they will probably only be able to make it another year or so... if we are lucky. We are already dealing with some bad issues like them crying when they get up, etc. Things like that.) That is why we are fine with waiting for a few years on a waiting list for both a dog and a cat. Preference for us would be to get the cat first. But, we are big in socialization, Chi-Ching, my white chow was almost a therapy dog for our nursing home but because of his hips, he can't handle the walking and sometimes rough handling, and so I am hoping to do that with this Chow as well. But this is a much better bred chow than mine. So hopefully it will actually get to do it. I am a huge promoter of socializing, although I am not a huge promoter of Chows, and that is just because I do not want them to get popular again... Dogs get ruined when that happens.

Anyway, about a Birman, I would like to get one first if possible and let them be king/queen of the house and teach the pup whats for... LOL
 

Does your breeder have a website? I am not ready to get a cat yet. Tiocy gets to be the only queen until she is gone. She has earned it

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That is good!  I would recommend getting the cat first... After your current chows are gone, though.  Up until our breeding pair died, the male was very cat vicious.  He was dog and people stranger vicious but especially cat vicious... A big cause for heartache for me growing up.  My parents always tried to have them homed in the 8th week.  A lot of people on here will probably jump down my throat for it, but not everyone understands the chow chow personality and just how short their window of acceptance is.... Usually if you wait too long past that, they would have major problems adjusting and people would threaten to suit because their cute cuddly looking chow chow puppy would be a nightmare.  Not to put down the breed, they are awesome dogs and very wonderful pets, IF you know the breed and IF you can handle them correctly.... But for a lot of people, I would not recommend this breed.  But having the cat already there and established is the best course.  This is an excellent plan.

No she doesn't have a website.  She lives out in the country on a big cattery and only has DSL so it's too slow for her to email a lot.  But I will contact her and ask if it's OK for me to give you her information.  She does all colors.  My Paige is a show quality blue point but she offered me a seal point male a couple of years ago... So I know she has them.  She is happy to email pictures and updates to you, though.  She is very reasonable on price.  You'll probably pay more for the shipping!

P3 -  My chows would accept another cat if I brought one home right now. They have been around so many animals coming and going in my house. I did foster care for about 5 years(chow rescue and also local humane society). I am always aware of chows and cat issues, but I try to nip it from day one. I also raise rabbits(Netherland Dwarfs) and so have to enforce respect for them as well. I have zero tolerance for aggression of any kind from any dog in my house, because I DO have other animals, and I DO have little kids, and so socializing and training and of highest priority for my family and I. Also, because I try and always keep aware that any breed of dog is still just an animal, my dog(and other dogs, like my sisters when she comes to visit, etc) are never left alone with our children, rabbits, or our cat. With chows especially, I have a rule that they are allowed to be protective, not aggressive.

Out of respect for my current kitty, I know I want to wait until she is gone...   And I will probably wait until these two little muttlies are gone too, mostly because I just do not know how soon I would want another cat after her... and I know that Birman like to have company, so it might be best to try and get the pup around the same time... Not sure how lucky I will be in trying to time that right... LOL

That would be great if you could get me her info...   Thank You!!

MissyMotus - Thanks for the compliments!

They are beautiful!  Our female, her name was Suzy, I was her pet and her baby.  She was very protective of me.  She was a wonderful chow chow.  She was protective but not mean... Unless it was a cat she was facing, then she was aggressive.    Our male, Moe, he was good with us.  But my dad had to show him who was master a couple of times.  Everyone in town was scared of him because he looked like a lion.  But, though he was wonderful with us, he was not so good with anyone else or other animals.  He would actually try to pull and bite the fencing apart so we had to get the really strong reinforced kind. 

I just meant that chows can be wonderful for the right people and family but they are not usually a dog that does well with any kind of change.  And they are notorious for being very stubborn and cat/dog aggressive. So there is a lot of responsibility and knowledge needed before getting one of these cute teddy bear looking dogs.  

I am emailing you the breeders information as soon as I can.   

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She is very reasonable on price.  You'll probably pay more for the shipping!

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Just be aware of what you're getting, cheaper is usually a red flag.
Kittens should arrive at 12+ weeks old, vaccinated twice, microchipped and neutered
Bred from genetically tested parents, usually from a breeder who shows their cats

missymotus said:

Just be aware of what you're getting, cheaper is usually a red flag.
Kittens should arrive at 12+ weeks old, vaccinated twice, microchipped and neutered
Bred from genetically tested parents, usually from a breeder who shows their cats

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I appereciate that but just because she doesn't charge $1000 does not make her a "red flag" breeder.  She is very good.  All her kittens are healthy, vetted, vaccinated... The only thing you have to do is get them neutered and microchipped.  Missouri is different from other states.  If she charged a lot for her kittens, she wouldn't find them homes.  So she prices them for the audience she has.... Does that make sense?

I've no idea what the standard price of a Birman is in the states, here they are moderately priced at $600-$700 fully vetted, nor do I know about this breeder in particular I am just pointing out that you must compare what you're getting. Having to still 'chip and neuter a kitten, adding $250-$300 (prices here) to the initial purchase price means a cheap kitten usually isn't in the end.



I'm glad your happy with your kitten and breeder, I just prefer kittens going fully vetted

Her prices are based on the kitten and the perspective kitty parent.  They can start at around $200 at the lowest to about $600 for Birmans.   They are also what the state and airlines consider "fully vetted" as they have their vaccinations and health clear before going to their forever homes.  If she wanted to wait until a kitten was neutered, I am sure it could be arranged at the price of the buyer, of course.  I don't know if she'd do the microchip, seeing as how it would be living at the other side of the country?  She would probably leave it up to her.  I was just putting her in contact with her as I thought she could help, but the OP does not have to get a kitty from her. 

I only got one from her, my Paige.  But she is an angel and very affectionate.  The breeder spends time with all the kittens making sure they are wonderfully affectionate furbabies.

Do you not have national microchips? Even imported/exported cats here scan in other countries.

Fully vetted means all vet work complete, nothing more for the owner to do 

Again, I'm glad you're happy with your Birman