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Why cat poops on the floor instead in toilet?

post #1 of 26
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I am training my cat to poop and urinate on the toilet. He urinates with no problem, but always poops on the floor. I am going REALLY VERY VICIOUS! The toilet is clean, no bad smell, always flushing down the water after cat urinates. Sometimes, when I notice that cat is going to the toilet I also go, so when he tries to poop on the floor I quickly put him on the toilet - he don't gets disturbed by that and makes his "work" perfectly.
P.S.: I ALWAYS REWARD MY CAT WITH TREATS WHEN HE URINATES ON THE TOILET. Even when I put him on the toilet to poop correctly I also give him a small treat, but I NEVER EVER give him treat if he poops on the floor. Also, I never ever yell or shout at my cat if he poops on the floor, just put his poop in the toilet and show him.

Just don't say to (because I already know that):
1) Keep the toilet clean
2) Praise cat after he does everything correctly
3) Go back to litter box, because I WON'T

Any ideas how to make him go poop on the toilet? Please help :) Thanks in advance!

INFORMATION  ABOUT CAT:
Breed: Kurilian Bobtail (shorthair)
Age: 6 months

Sex: Male

post #2 of 26

Sorry but part of having a cat is having a litter tray.

 

Some cats simply can't be toilet trained and it's quite unfair to expect it. He's clearly telling you he's not happy with the situation.

 

It's not at all uncommon for cats to refuse to poop on the toilet, I had 3 cats who were trained without issues but seems I was pretty lucky with them. 

post #3 of 26

Excellent article on the subject from a veterinarian.

 
post #4 of 26
And one more.  A great article from a wonderful cat behaviorist
 
post #5 of 26
Your cat poops on the floor instead of the toilet because he is a cat and pooping on a toilet is not natural for him. Please give him a litter box and let him poop, pee and bury as nature intended.
post #6 of 26

Some cats use the toilet without problems, and don't mind doing it; I wouldn't categorically say it was a bad idea.

 

But this particular cat seems not to like it; and if the cat doesn't like it, then forcing him is a bad idea.

 

For a human parallel, think of our own instinct when it comes to using the toilet: We want privacy. We close the bathroom door or the door of the toilet stall. When we go camping we duck behind a tree. Even in group toilets, we know not to stare at each other. Right? It's cultural, but by the time we're three or four, it's as ingrained as a cat's instinct to bury its waste.

 

You could, if you wanted, teach a human to use the toilet in public. But some humans would hate it to the point that they would refuse; and it wouldn't be kind to force them. Just like it isn't kind to force an unwilling cat to use a human toilet--Some cats will use a toilet and have no problems with it; some cats are stressed and hate it. This cat evidently hates it.

 

The best solution is to go back to a litter box; but you evidently don't want to do that. Why is that? Is it because it might smell? We can show you ways to keep it from smelling bad at all. Is it because the litter gets tracked over the floor? We've got solutions for that too. Because the litter is expensive? There are ways to get it cheaper. Explain to us--we'll show you. Between the lot of us, TCS people have had and solved just about every kitty litter box problem. Seriously, a litter box doesn't have to bother you--and your cat will be happier to have one.

post #7 of 26
^^ Excellent post smile.gif Good point about helping the OP finding a litter box system that will be acceptable. There are automatics, and there are even self washing/flushing boxes.

It's true, some cats don't have any trouble adjusting. But a cat who has shown that he cannot adjust should not be continually forced.

I have a friend whose cat toilet trained himself. He saw his mama doing it, so he copied her. Then they ran into a problem. He has FLUTD and had to be hospitalized. While at the vet he did not poop or pee because he never used a litter box. He had to be catheterized, and given an enema. Now she keeps a litter box for him at all times and he uses it about 50 % of the time.

However I think litter boxes are important. Changes in litter box habits, or changes in amount of pee or color or poop quality can be early signs of illness, that would be missed, if a cat uses the toilet.
post #8 of 26
I'm not sure why everyone is saying you'd miss seeing the poop color or blood in pee, etc. . .cats don't flush! laughing02.gif Not that I'm a fan of toilet-training cats but that occurred to me while reading the responses.
post #9 of 26

Keeping a litter box around even if your cat is toilet-trained probably ensures that the cat remembers how to use the box, but can use the toilet if Kitty prefers to do so.

post #10 of 26

My cat is in the last stage of toilet training. I had issues with him pooping on the floor.Before he would do it however he would make it clear he needed to go by running back and fourth from me to the washroom so i could set him on the toilet and guide him. I found out cats do not like to defecate on top of urine and that seemed to be the problem with my cat. Try to make sure the toilet is always flushed. I think its a hard concept for them to learn and it takes a lot of time and attention but its worth it. And for anyone bashing kitty toilet training you should educate yourself first. it may not be natural, but its not natural for any living creature to reside in a human dwelling. twas us that created the domesticated animal. litterboxes are also unhealthy. a cat poops and pees in a litterbox and it is filled with germs, germs that are harmful to humans. the cat covers its paws in the bacteria then tromps around your house, on your bed, on your body. so no, using a toilet is not natural to a cat it was introduced, eating kibble and processed food was introduced, why not taking it one step further and introduce a toilet so in the long run everyone can be happier and healthier and save money in the process! Maybe you just did the steps too fast. go back to the previous bowl trainer, make sure your kitty gets it down and is totally comfortable. i hope this helps and dont listen to anyone telling you it is wrong!!

post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by chesterrebecca View Post

My cat is in the last stage of toilet training. I had issues with him pooping on the floor.Before he would do it however he would make it clear he needed to go by running back and fourth from me to the washroom so i could set him on the toilet and guide him. I found out cats do not like to defecate on top of urine and that seemed to be the problem with my cat. Try to make sure the toilet is always flushed. I think its a hard concept for them to learn and it takes a lot of time and attention but its worth it. And for anyone bashing kitty toilet training you should educate yourself first. it may not be natural, but its not natural for any living creature to reside in a human dwelling. twas us that created the domesticated animal. litterboxes are also unhealthy. a cat poops and pees in a litterbox and it is filled with germs, germs that are harmful to humans. the cat covers its paws in the bacteria then tromps around your house, on your bed, on your body. so no, using a toilet is not natural to a cat it was introduced, eating kibble and processed food was introduced, why not taking it one step further and introduce a toilet so in the long run everyone can be happier and healthier and save money in the process! Maybe you just did the steps too fast. go back to the previous bowl trainer, make sure your kitty gets it down and is totally comfortable. i hope this helps and dont listen to anyone telling you it is wrong!!

Cats have been domesticated for thousands of years.

This goes beyond "un-natural habit". In addition to all the other reasons already mentioned why this is not a good idea, the strain on a cat's muscles having to hold a position on a slippery surface is a strain those muscles were never meant to take. That's four times a day your cat is forced to put that strain on his muscles. That's going to cause a lot of problems for him as he ages.

Not to mention the frustration of being deprived the enjoyment of his digging and burying instinct.

Why not just accept that having a cat means having litter boxes, and let your cat be a cat? smile.gif
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by otto View Post

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Not to mention the frustration of being deprived the enjoyment of his digging and burying instinct.
 

 

Lots of cats don't dig and bury anyway

post #13 of 26
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Originally Posted by missymotus View Post

Lots of cats don't dig and bury anyway

That doesn't make it okay to force a cat to perch on a toilet seat, straining muscles and tendons. There are many reasons why a cat might not bury, but he should always have the option. smile.gif
post #14 of 26
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Originally Posted by otto View Post


That doesn't make it okay to force a cat to perch on a toilet seat, straining muscles and tendons. There are many reasons why a cat might not bury, but he should always have the option. smile.gif

 

There is no way for FORCE a cat to use the toilet instead, as shown by the many threads on the topic. If they want to be trained and use the toilet they will, you cannot make them do it. 

post #15 of 26
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Originally Posted by missymotus View Post

There is no way for FORCE a cat to use the toilet instead, as shown by the many threads on the topic. If they want to be trained and use the toilet they will, you cannot make them do it. 

Haha, well that's true, they are just going to go on the floor, or the furniture or the laundry or the rugs. Still, it can cause a cat a lot of stress. Not only don't they have an appropriate place to do their business, and most cats take their litter habits very seriously, they are possibly being yelled at for going where "they aren't supposed to". It's a lose-lose situation.

Let the cats eliminate their waste closer to the way mother nature intended, the way their instincts tell them is the right way. In a clean quiet area with a couple of clean boxes of some type of material they can dig in, and bury if they want to. smile.gif
post #16 of 26

Wow, this is an old topic...

 

OP was probably lucky that the cat just used the floor. Most cats will attempt to bury somewhere--potted plants, piles of laundry, even your bedsheets. Their instinct is that strong. And it makes sense; a cat is a predator, but it's also small enough to be prey, and cat fights are vicious things that a cat will avoid unless absolutely necessary. Burying means keeping the evidence of their presence away from predators and hostile cats.

 

Some cats do take to using the toilet without problems. Perhaps, for those cats, the instinct isn't as strong, or in their minds the water in the toilet bowl counts as "buried", since they can no longer smell it strongly. But if the cat wants to bury, there's nothing you can really do to change that instinct.

post #17 of 26
Some wild cats "go" in water. I guess that's almost as good as burying, especially if it's running water. I kind of think it would be interesting to offer it as an option for cats who like it, but I do think they should have a litterbox, too, in case they don't feel like getting up on the toilet that day.
post #18 of 26

I agree I have seen where alot of people like us are having the same problem with there cats and I don't know what to do about it either wish someone had a answer. And to the one who says its cats nature to use the litter box WRONG you can teach a child to learn how you think serves animals are trained you think they were born with that knowledge? I have been around animals my hole life and there smarter than most humans. 

post #19 of 26

It is a cat's nature to use a litter box. Two weeks ago, I brought home 2 kittens who were born and raised outside, never having seen a litter box or litter. They took to their new box immediately and we've never had a problem. No special tricks or training, they just use it.

 

If a cat is not using the litter box, it's trying to communicate something.

post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by happylilkitty View Post

I agree I have seen where alot of people like us are having the same problem with there cats and I don't know what to do about it either wish someone had a answer. And to the one who says its cats nature to use the litter box WRONG you can teach a child to learn how you think serves animals are trained you think they were born with that knowledge? I have been around animals my hole life and there smarter than most humans. 


I am with StealthKitty- most cats seem to take to using the box without having to be taught/trained.  My previously feral kitten began using her litter box immediately and with no accidents at the 5-6 weeks that she was captured.  No special training there.  She just has the instincts to dig and bury her waste, so the litter box provided an ideal place to do that.  Yes if you have a service animal you have to train them to perform unnatural tasks such as opening the washing machine or something, but most cats do not require much training to learn to use a litter box.  They may not be born with the knowledge to sit on command, but pooping in a hole they dig is pretty innate.

post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by happylilkitty View Post

I agree I have seen where alot of people like us are having the same problem with there cats and I don't know what to do about it either wish someone had a answer. And to the one who says its cats nature to use the litter box WRONG you can teach a child to learn how you think serves animals are trained you think they were born with that knowledge? I have been around animals my hole life and there smarter than most humans. 

The answer has been offered repeatedly in this thread smile.gif

If your cat refuses to use the toilet, s/he is telling you s/he is not going to use the toilet. Give your cat some litter boxes, and stop trying to force the issue, or you are going to have life long behavior problems and most likely health problems, too. Holding pee because there is no appropriate place for the cat to go causes urinary tract infections and kidney infections. Holding poop for the same reason leads to constipation and megacolon.

Cats are fastidious creatures. The stress of not having an appropriate place to eliminate, the type of place the cats INSTINCTS are telling him (or her) he needs, will cause the kitty to be miserable, more prone to illness, and more prone to behavior problems.

I don't believe in toilet training cats. I have stated my reasons in this thread, including the fact that their bodies aren't designed to hold the kind of crouch and balance they must hold on a toilet.

But if a cat takes to it, well aren't you lucky. If a cat has made it clear he cannot adjust to it, stop trying, and let him be a cat. smile.gif

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Edited by otto - 3/5/13 at 4:55pm
post #22 of 26

Hello everyone, I'm new here and want to share my experience with this so far.  I'm not trying to steal the thread or beat a dead cat by any means.

 

With regards to OP's post I'm going through something similar.  I'm toilet training a cat using the ringed seat system and have somewhat failed.  He was doing pretty good using the toilet system, but only once in a while he marked a place in the house with urine.  A month or so goes by and I had to go out of town for a week.  When I came back I found he had urinated and poo'd on my bed, on my clothes, on my furniture, on his stuff... well you get the idea (I had someone stop by a few times so it wasn't everywhere all fresh but I still had to clean and finally throw away a lot of stuff).  He was saying "you left me I'm mad".  I get it.  Short re-run and he was back on the toilet. 

 

For the record this cat has shown me he can pee and poo in the toilet with or without me watching.  I've completely taken the toilet kit off  with him using it fine.  Then he started using the tub to pee and toilet to poo.  This went on for another almost 2 months.  Not right, but at least he's keeping it in the bathroom.  I went out of town again for a week and this time he didn't go everywhere in the house.  I also had a better person watching this time.  A couple of months go by and here we are.  This morning he peed in the toilet while I was brushing my teeth right in front of him.  The other day he poo'd in the toilet while I was brushing my teeth. 

 

What I'm realizing now is that he likes the tub better.  First the peeing, and now the pooing.  He's starting to do both in it more often and the more I try to get him to the toilet, the more he looks at me with that look (eyes almost closed, ears perked back almost saying I know what you want- but I'm going to act like I don't hear or see you).  I wouldn't have an issue with this but after he's done he's tracking it around the house- especially the urine.  This is mostly because he urinates on the opposite side of the tub's drain, and therefor it runs and gets on his paws.  He knows I don't him using the tub because he runs as soon I catch him in there.

 

Today after I come home he drops a load in there.  I see paw marks in the tub from him trying to cover it up and marking the tub slightly. 

I can't stand the idea that this guy is slowly contaminating what "was" my brand new carpet.  He used the a covered litter box in the bathroom prior to all this but that wasn't a whole lot better because litter was being tracked everywhere and the bathroom was always a mess.  I would see litter clunked in his claws and it just didn't seem like the overall best solution.  I cleaned his business every morning.  Once a week or so I cleaned it out completely.  I tried the floor mat for litter thing but it didn't seem to solve the problem either.  I picked this guy off the street and we have about a 6 month relationship going.  He gives me obvious signs he likes me and trusts me and everything is pretty much peachy.  Although I can't say I'm not getting second thoughts on this whole situation if we can't work this out. 

 

 

My theories on this are:

The toilet is uncomfortable (he has to perch, hold, and use his muscles).  Although the special seat provided should help remedy this.

The toilet doesn't flush unless I flush it therefor if I'm not there he can't get rid of it.  (The tub isn't any better at this)

The toilet water sometimes splashes when being used.

He doesn't like to pee/poo in the same place.

The toilet isn't clean enough (I'm conscience of this and keep it clean).

He doesn't want to go where I go.  (I remove his toilet seat though)

The tub is more private.

You can't slip standing in the tub.

post #23 of 26
The cat is telling you he does not like the arrangements you are making for him. Honestly, I think you are going to have to go back to a litter box (or preferably, two). AS for mats, try different ones - there are some door mats that really do work to stop mud and dirt being trampled thropugh the house and are machine washable. Or stand the litter box inside a larger plastic tray/box with a mat in it. That should work. I know some cats will use the toilet - I had one once that taught himself - I found him doing it one day, but he also used a box. The majority will not, or are very unhappy doing it, which can lead to other problems.
post #24 of 26

This may be so,  Once he again he used it this morning for a dump.  

 

I'm realizing that maybe I need to clean the inside of the bowl a little better.  I was more concerned with the outside and where he actually touches.  I notice that he sticks his head in there- and maybe there are left overs that pushes him away.  It's a work in progress.

post #25 of 26
He is telling you the toilet is not working for him. Please, give your cat a couple of litter boxes and let him poop and pee as his instincts tell him he should. Let him be a cat, and enjoy everything about him that makes him a cat.

If you continue to try to force him, what you will have is an unhappy relationship with your cat instead of a deep rewarding bond.

You will also have a cat with behavior problems and eventually health problems, because stress, including the stress of not having an appropriate place to eliminate, makes cats sick.
post #26 of 26
My Siamese diva ti have 4 but tthis kitty is the alpha diva whose mama used the toilet on her own terms and knows that when she uses the litter bilox, she waits for me, husband or cat sitter to come and wash her pass off. As someone said, would yougo to the bathroom and NOT wash after? I see many patients in one day and always wash my hands -not just alcohol and cleaning mix which has been becoming a drug problem in middle schools. (Scary I know!!!). Mama goes about 50-50 and it seemed ok to me until I started agreeing a few get council meetings and trading journal material on lexis nexus and efondrrdd who I was to change hoe cats have lived for mellenia. Ergo, her kittens (she was a rescued Siamese purebred with papers and the breeder had died and the human who owned her asked Irving would take her and find homes) . I kept 2 babies (now 6 yo) and my office mgr the other. I could not imagine being apart from such sweet kitties I had helped raise!! The 4 th is a flighty cat rescued as a kitten -also a meezer -by some firefighters who brought her to me. (I have a Rep as a go to meezer person I guess) . But this Kitty Imho is telling you quite clearly I would venture to suggest that she does not like this method whether it is one or more or a combo of the elements enumerated here so I would listen to her. Plus, even when I asked about my darling mama using the toilet, the former owner said she was always told by the CFA and other groups to keep the litter box for when a cat is ill ot other problems. Makeweight sense to me. Good luck!!
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