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If you can bare with me to read through all of this and offer me advice I will be forever grateful.

So Pixie is over a week late coming into heat which was the start of my paranoia.

Although me and my boyfriend have been very careful about keeping Pixie away from my housemates tom cat my housemate thinks kittens are a wonderful idea, at the end of last month, last time Pixie was in heat me and my boyfriend went out of town over night and left my girls in the care of my housemate. Now Pixie is not going back into heat and the one tie she has let me look her nipples are quite pink. My housemate says she didn't let them get at each other but she has said many times how great kittens would be.

I have never had to check her nipples before so I have no idea how they usually look but the other day when she let me check them they were rosie. To try back up my theory I checked my other cats nipples (they are from the same mum but different litters) and hers are the same as the skin surrounding them.

Pixie has always been affectionate especially towards me but for the last few days she has been demanding more attention. She has always loved playing fetch with my boyfriend, we flick a bobble for her that she goes and gets and brings back for us, I don't manage to flick it as far as my boyfriend does so she generally has always taken it to him. For the last few days tough she has brought it to me instead and then will only chase it two or three times before she stops bringing it back and just comes for cuddles. She is a lot less playful in the last few days and has been grooming my other cat, Trixie, more than she used to. She has also been eating more and hovering when I put their food out, something she hasn't done fr a while, she generally just wanders over once both bowls are n the floor.

She has also become very indifferent to the tom cat when she sees him through the door. When she was in heat she tried to get to him or present at him, when she wasn't in heat she would hiss and growl at him. Last night he tried to get through the door and she just sat calmly on the stairs watching him completely indifferent. (we live in the attic room, the cats take it in turn to roam the house, especially since Pixie was still coming into heat, we hadn't even started introductions yet, that was going to wait until after Pixie and Manson were fixed. but they do occasionally spot each other as doors open.

Trixie has also been more vocal lately, whenever I go to stroke Pixie, Trixie will whine from the other end of the room.

My many questions are these.

With Pixie not coming into heat yet (she normally has 12 days between cycles and its been 22) and her nipples looking pink would you say that there is a pretty good chance she is pregnant?

If Pixie is pregnant would Trixie be able to tell or is it just that she has picked up on the fact that Pixie is demanding more attention. (When I first brought Trixie home she was quite clingy but she grew out of it and by the time we brought home Pixie the only time Trixie demanded my attention was dinner time and if I went to the bathroom. She is pretty independent now and generally wanders off if I try to give her attention she hasn't asked for and is generally indifferent when Pixie is getting attention. Until the other day, now she watches and whines if I get too close too Pixie.

Trixie is spayed but would she be likely to attack any kittens Pixie has? (She has never attacked Pixie or Manson, my housemates tom, just hisses and growls at him through the door.)

I know they will need to be separated by the time Pixie goes into labour but how long before Pixie's due date to they need to be separated, and for how long after? 

I'm assuming that introducing Trixie to the new kittens should be done the same way we introduced Trixie and Pixie when we brought her home but how old should the kittens be before introducing them or should they be kept separate until after the kittens are homed in which case would Trixie and Pixie need re introducing?

Also Manson is a, Bengal cross and is very big for his age, he is about 8 months old but is bigger than the average fully grown cat twice the size of Pixie who is 9 months old. With Pixie being so small and Manson being so big would that mean that her kittens could be too big for her to be able to carry them?

As you can probably tell this is my first time with a pregnant cat and I although I am probably getting ahead of myself I would rather start now and be thoroughly prepared with a game plan.

If you have read all my paranoid crazy ramblings then thank you for sparing the time, If you can help answer any of my questions then thank you even more.
 

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I don't know?  It could be the end of this cycle?  Sometimes they can not come back into heat for a couple of months and then start back up again.  I can't and I am sure no one else can say for sure she is pregnant until she starts to "show" even then, it is difficult to know without confirmation from a vet.  Are you wanting to breed her?  If so, why?  Especially if you believe she is too tiny?  I would get her to the vet asap and have her spayed if it were me.  If she is pregnant it is probably still early enough to do so.  But, that is just me. 
 
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I wasn't intending to breed her and as I said I know that I have kept her away from the tom my housemate brought home but cant guarantee that she didn't decide to put them together when I was away, I had intended to have her spayed but lost my job before i had chance and as I was so careful to keep them seperate I figured it could wait a few weeks till i had the money. I could not bring myself to have her spayed if she is pregnant crazy as it may sound to you but i just couldn't bring myself to do it, I considered it but the thought upsets me, I would rather go without myself and keep any kittens than do that to her. Obviously each individual is different but I just couldn't do it.

But I will be taking her to the vet to see if she is pregnant, I'm far too impatient for the wait and see approach. Hence asking your opinions on here so soon. The vets said they can tell from about four weeks so we will be going next week hopefully.
 

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I know abortion isnt pleasant, but early pregnancy spaying isnt no medical problem. In fact, some vet handbooks do recommend to bring in females to spay when they are freshly pregnant.  Ie let them met a tom to get pregnant, and after it - to the vet.

Unpleasant?  This way you dont risk to bring them in for spaying when they are in heat.  THIS is tricky, spaying when they are in heat. More difficult and more dangerous.

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I understand your feeling that it is wrong to spay her early in pregnancy.  But, unlike humans, cats do not get anything out of the experience of pregnancy, birth and motherhood.  Plus, if she's really small you could be doing her a favor, even saving her life.  The smaller they are, the harder time they have.  But, my guess is, if you have really been vigilant about keeping her from having the oppurtunity to mate, she could be on her out-of-heat time.  It can last for a couple of months or a few weeks.  It just depends.  If she is pregnant, well, we can help you cross that bridge if it comes to it.  Just hope for the best. 

I know you said you don't have the money now, but have you considered asking your vet if there is maybe a Humane Society spay/neuter service in your area?  A lot of times they will come to you for very cheap or even free in some cases.
 

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Sounds to me like she could be pregnant, and getting her spayed ASAP really is the best thing.  As to your housemate having an unneutered tom - yuck!  Whose house is it?  If it's yours I would give the housemate an edict - get her cat neutered or leave.

And if money is tight, getting a cat spayed is cheap compared to raising a litter of kittens.  Each kitten costs more to keep than an adult cat - they eat more, and get through mountains of litter.  They should also all get vaccinated at 8 weeks.
 

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Sounds to me like she could be pregnant, and getting her spayed ASAP really is the best thing.  As to your housemate having an unneutered tom - yuck!  Whose house is it?  If it's yours I would give the housemate an edict - get her cat neutered or leave.



And if money is tight, getting a cat spayed is cheap compared to raising a litter of kittens.  Each kitten costs more to keep than an adult cat - they eat more, and get through mountains of litter.  They should also all get vaccinated at 8 weeks.
I agree about the unneutered tom--pretty soon he's going to start spraying and it won't be nice to live there! I wouldn't want to live with a full tom for any amount of time. He may not be too bad at his age but in a few months it'll probably be unbearable. I hope he doesn't end up in a shelter because of that (like many young toms). Neutering him soon would prevent a lot of problems.

I also agree about it being a LOT more expensive to raise a litter. I've only raised one litter with their mama (the rest have been orphans and I expect orphans to cost a lot), and just the amount she ate! It was crazy. I nearly went broke trying to keep her fed. And then, yeah, shots and de-worming for the babies, the constant cleaning, the litter. . .it cost a lot. I wish I had kept track of the expenses.

Cats have weird heat cycles. I wouldn't assume pregnancy based on her not calling. And she could also be having a false pregnancy (which would cause some pinking). If you're not willing to spay right away I guess all you can do is wait and see. If she is pregnant, I'd have some words with that roommate!
 

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I agree with everyone's rationale for spaying her now even if she is pregnant. Raising kittens does get expensive, and you are going to have to put a lot of time and energy into them if you want them to have a chance at adoption. That said, only you can decide what you can and can't live with. Personally, it's never a choice I have had to make (all the kittens I have raised come from a shelter), and I don't know if it's something I could do. I support whichever way you decide to go, so long as you make that choice with her (and your) best interest at heart. 

If you choose to spay her now, do it ASAP. It only becomes more dangerous for her (and more emotional for you) the longer you wait. 

If you simply can't, then you are in the wait and see boat. Certainly what you describe could be the signs of pregnancy, but could also be a host of other things. If her behavior changes significantly then I would highly, highly, highly recommend getting her to a vet. It could be an infection or other illness that is changing her behavior.

Perhaps your best bet is to play some sort of middle game? This early on not even a vet can tell if she's pregnant for sure. Maybe wait a few weeks and then take her in for an appointment. If the vet suspects that she is pregnant and you want to follow through, that would be the time to start making your preparations. If she isn't the vet can rule out any other medical issues and spay her. Either way, this gives you some time to save up some pennies. I would also use that time to start asking around if anyone you know (or anyone they know) is looking to add a new member to the family. If you decide to let her have her litter then you are taking on the responsibility of however many kittens she may have. Getting a feel for if you can find homes for them may help you make a decision. 

If you confirm she's pregnant, then you want to start switching her to a kitten formula food, as she will need the extra calories and nutrients. The average gestation period for cats is 60-70 days but anyone on here will tell you it could be a lot longer or a lot shorter, so, be patient but be prepared. She will let you know by her behavior if having the other female around bothers her or not. Some cats like their companion to stay close, others don't. I have a resident female cat in my home and she has always been around the kittens as much as Mom allows and has never harmed them. If anything, she gets maternal herself and will lick them, play with them, ect. Toms on the other hand have been known to harm kittens, so keep him away at all costs. DO have him neutered ASAP. In my State this time of year there are tons of low cost clinics- get online and utilize them! 

Good luck to you in making this decision. Whatever way you go there is a lot of support and wealth of information on this site so use it to your advantage!
 

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I agree about the unneutered tom--pretty soon he's going to start spraying and it won't be nice to live there!
Agree on all counts, entire males are not good house pets that's why breeders keep them in stud enclosures. Entire girls often spray too, and keeping both in the house could get very messy.

Raising kittens for 12 weeks, getting them all fed, wormed, vaccinated, microchipped and neutered is expensive even if you charge the new owners an adoption fee as is common over here it barely covers the vet bill.
 
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The tom has been neutered last week, he started spraying early, she got it done cheap because she is on benefits, unfortunately the only way to get a cheap spay in the town I live in is to be on benefits and I am still waiting for mine to come through otherwise its around £60 which is all I get a week at the moment and that has to cover rent food and bills, hence the waiting. I cant take her out of town because nether of us drive and I have no way to get to one further away.

I'm going to wait until shes at around the 5 week mark by my calculations then the vet should be able to tell me for sure and we can decide what we are doing then. 

We do know a few people that have asked me to let them know if the woman I got my two girls from has anymore, they are both beautiful tuxedo cats. I have been doing some work on that already. My girls both came to me too young and I paid for all their vaccinations and microchiping and Trixie's spay so I have a rough idea of what it will cost per kitten and we are saving already. Fortunatly there is plenty of time to save for the kittens vet bills and as for litter and food I figure if i just get packs here and there as i go out towards the end of her pregnancy I wont notice it as much, thankfully im quite close to the supermarket and it will just mean a few less mcdonalds for us.

She is still on kitten food as she isnt a year old yet, I feed her whiskas and she loves it but should i try switching her to one of the more expensive ones? I have looked at all the kitten foods i can get to in my area and they all have about the same percentage of meat in them, either 5% or 8% cant remember off the top of my head but should I look online and try to get a better brand, or should I leave her with what she is happy with?
 
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Thank you so much for your replies by the way. I do tend to over analyze everything. I'm driving my boyfriend crazy at the moment. :)
 

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If you can't afford to spay her, you really can't afford her to have a litter of kittens, especially in the unlikely event that something goes wrong and she needs an emergency vet visit and section...

If you ring your vet you might be able to come to an arrangement about paying for her to be spayed ASAP. 
 

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I agree with Oriental Slave.  Also what is the cost of the vet exam versus the cost of spaying.

How long until you get Benefits--you could get the cat spayed then maybe.

Kittens are really cute and loveable and costly, especially if one of them develops problems.
 

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She is still on kitten food as she isnt a year old yet, I feed her whiskas and she loves it but should i try switching her to one of the more expensive ones? I have looked at all the kitten foods i can get to in my area and they all have about the same percentage of meat in them, either 5% or 8% cant remember off the top of my head but should I look online and try to get a better brand, or should I leave her with what she is happy with?
The more important question is where the protein comes from. Cats need animal based proteins, not plant based. Labels list the ingredients in order of how dominant they are to the formula, so you want at least the first 5 ingredients to be a good source of meat and real grain/vegetables. I don't know what formula Whiskas you are feeding her, but the dry kitten formula has as it's first 3 ingredients: poultry by-product meal, corn gluten meal, and soybean meal. None of these ingredients are great for a cat. Anytime it says "by-product" it means the scraps that are picked off the floor of the butchers- i.e. the parts that are not safe for human consumption. That said, meat by-product is significantly better than gluten meal or soybean meal (these are plant-based protein fillers). I would look for as high a quality of food as you can afford. Things to look for: multiple proteins (ex: chicken and salmon). Try to find a brand that lists de-boned chicken (or fish) or chicken meal as the first ingredient. Also, try to find one with as many "whole" ingredients as possible (whole carrot, whole brown rice, ect). Avoid gluten meal or corn gluten meal if at all possible, or at least make sure it's low on the list of ingredients.There are a lot of websites that compare/contrast formulas. I can give you some specific websites/brands if you want to send me a private message. If you do switch her, do it slowly over the course of several weeks so she doesn't get an upset stomach. Of course she won't like it, it's like giving kids nothing but ice cream and then trying to get them to eat broccoli. But, she will significantly benefit from a higher quality food, pregnant or not. 
 
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The vets we take her to sells applaws tinned kitten food, that seems to be good and the vet has given it to her before to distract her from her vaccinations, she wolfed it down, I got her some kitten milk as well which she loves and some salmon yogurt stuff that has added omega 3 even if she isnt pregnant this stuff will at least help her grow.

My benefits should be in before the kittens are born definitley before the kittens are due for their vaccines.
 
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