Yet Another IBD/Digestive Thread

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Some quick backstory: Layla began losing weight rapidly last year, despite a ravenous appetite.  A trip to an internal medicine specialist revealed no masses in her abdominal cavity by ultrasound, a very low level of vitamin B12, and no problems with other digestive organs including the pancreas.  Both he and my regular vet concluded that it was either IBD or intestinal lymphoma and gave me the option of going through with endoscopy/biopsy.  I opted not to do the tests because I did not want to put Layla under anesthesia at 12-13 years of age.  We started a low dose of Presdnisone once a day, which she has now been on for a year, along with her liver supplement, Denosyl.  She also got B12 injections for several months.

She has lost a bit of weight again (down from 8 lbs 3 oz to 7 lbs 10 oz).  I don't necessarily think this is a cause for concern yet, as I haven't seen any of the other signs that I saw last year (appetite increase and increased stool output).  But I want to think about these things NOW and make sure I have a handle on things if and when things get worse.

I am personally not crazy about having my cat on Prednisone chronically.  Her maintenance dose is very low (0.3 cc once a day), but my vet had me increase it to 0.4-0.5 cc for the next two weeks to see whether that helps her weight and her other problems (asthma, and now, most recently, a slight limp that is likely the result of arthritis or a soft tissue injury, according to the vet).  The leg issue was gone within days of increasing the dose.. maybe coincidental, maybe not.

I'm not even sure what the point of creating this thread is.. I feel like her conditions are chronic, complex, and inter-related (at least the digestive troubles and the respiratory troubles).  

I guess I'm just asking, in general, about the safety of having Layla on Pred so long term.  All I ever hear is about how chronic steroid treatment shaves years off an animal's life, and I admit, I have always thought of steroids as a short-term solution rather than a long-term one.  But maybe that's just MY personal and unfounded-in-fact bias.  It is possible for I am looking for a utopian solution when the reality is that she is 13 years old and doing relatively well considering her many conditions.  But at the same time.. I wonder if I can make things even better for her.

So my questions are:
  • Are there any alternatives I should explore in terms of treating Layla's digestive/absorption problems? Is the Pred safe and/or absolutely my only choice?  I have asked about Prednisolone but the vet said since she's doing fine on Pred, to leave her on Pred.
  • Are there any changes I can suggest to my vet in terms of her diet?  Supplements other than Denosyl? Diet choices are extremely limited for her as she has extreme food sensitivities.  I do not want to tamper with things too much, but maybe there is a food out there that she can pull nutrients from a little better. She currently eats Royal Canin Prescription Duck & Green Pea and Natural Balance Duck & Green Pea canned.   She can't eat z/d or Hill's prescription foods.  EVO Duck appeared to cause a respiratory allergic reaction. I am certain that she is intolerant of fish as the main protein source of her food and the vet wants me to stay away from Chicken, Turkey, Beef, etc.
  • How about B12 treatment?  Is that something that can/should be done chronically? I asked my vet about getting another few syringes from him to inject her from home, and it didn't seem like he thought it was necessary.
Sorry I know this is kind of long and tackles multiple issues... any help/guidance/moral support is appreciated!
 

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Have you ever considered feeding Layla a raw diet? That has significantly helped many cats with IBD when nothing else did: http://www.catnutrition.org/ibd.html

I'm a fan of B12 injections, if you think they might be helping. Not sure where you live, but in Canada you can buy a vial of cobalamin or a B12 complex OTC from any pharmacy. I think in the U.S. you need a prescription, which your vet should provide if you ask. 
 
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I have considered it, yes, and have spoken to a number of people who feed raw, but, big surprise, my vet is not a fan of it.  I totally get the benefits of feeding raw and have used raw food products with my dog.  My hesitance stems from the fact that it would be so drastically different for my cat at this point..  and, seeing as she clearly has all sorts of immune oddities going on, kind of wonder whether it would be the best route to go.

I feel like I constantly go back and forth between "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" and "it is broke, so let's fix it" with my cat.

I am in the US, and, indeed, need to get B12 from my vet.  I just figured a shot of it every other month or so might have therapeutic value and certainly wouldn't hurt, since it is water soluble.
 

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I have considered it, yes, and have spoken to a number of people who feed raw, but, big surprise, my vet is not a fan of it.  I totally get the benefits of feeding raw and have used raw food products with my dog.  My hesitance stems from the fact that it would be so drastically different for my cat at this point..  and, seeing as she clearly has all sorts of immune oddities going on, kind of wonder whether it would be the best route to go.

I feel like I constantly go back and forth between "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" and "it is broke, so let's fix it" with my cat.

I am in the US, and, indeed, need to get B12 from my vet.  I just figured a shot of it every other month or so might have therapeutic value and certainly wouldn't hurt, since it is water soluble.
About the bold part..... This was the case with my cat.... I called him my Murphy's law kitty..... His immune-system is completely whacky. I should say WAS. Raw just about saved his life.... when nothing else worked. I tried everything. And I mean everything. Raw worked from the very first day..... It was a small miracle for Bugsy.
Hope you are open to it, it can do wonders for a kitty with IBD :vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes:
 
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I am certainly open to it, yes, but will admit that I am definitely hesitant to go that route without the approval of my vet and so will only do so unless I really feel it is my only choice (not that I would allow her to get super sick, of course, but as I said she is pretty stable now, and it's all about just exploring different ways to manage the condition).

I probably won't be making any changes until we do a re-weigh next week.  I just don't think it would be a good idea to make med changes and food changes at the same time.  Want to see whether the increased Pred has any impact on her weight or if her weight is stable.  If it's stable, I'll lower the Pred back down and then talk about diet changes.

I also just looked in to Nature's Variety Instinct Duck cans.  I could have SWORE when I originally was searching for a food that Nature's Variety didn't have a Duck food.. seems that may have changed. That may be something for me to try as well.   It has Turkey Liver in it but I am fairly sure that's not one of the things she's allergic to considering I feed her small quantities of cold-cut Turkey and Turkey-containing treats with absolutely no negative effects (someone really needs to make a Duck-based treat for cats!).

Thanks for the suggestions so far. :)
 

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Ok..... it is an option... one that works for many many many cats.... one that can potentially take her out of all meds.... with diet alone... and have her healthy.... or at least substantially decrease them.
I was like you - I fought against raw and said I would NEVER feed it. I was days away from a big surgery with Bugsy - that was his only option, as he no longer could take meds, so many had he taken already, his liver could not deal with them anymore....
A raw diet is what they were intended to eat.... it is really that simple....
It is sad that not a lot of vets support this.... They are so IN the BOX with Hills.....
There is a number of IBD kitties here on TCS with the similar experiences than mine..... I have a thread with my raw introduction, and so have the others....
I will not push you now - not here for this.....
Anyways, look around, browse around..... and good luck!
 
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Please don't misunderstand me, Carolina - I really do appreciate the suggestion and your sharing of your experience. :)  I'm not doubting the effect that raw could have.  I will continue to research and consider it but not going to make any big changes overnight.  I am up against a lot of traditionalists in my life, unfortunately.  One problem that I forgot to mention is that I am in my 20's and live with my family.  I'm not the only one who feeds my cat and I know that feeding raw would be a huge, huge thing to have to battle with my parents and sister, who also play a part in feeding/caring for my cat.

I have also thought of going to see a holistic veterinarian who perhaps might be more open to the idea of raw - I would definitely prefer having guidance from a vet knowledgeable about a raw diet then going against my own vet's recommendation.  It is a shame that vets are not taught very much about nutrition (and behavior, too, for that matter).

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Please don't misunderstand me, Carolina - I really do appreciate the suggestion and your sharing of your experience. :)  I'm not doubting the effect that raw could have.  I will continue to research and consider it but not going to make any big changes overnight.  I am up against a lot of traditionalists in my life, unfortunately.  One problem that I forgot to mention is that I am in my 20's and live with my family.  I'm not the only one who feeds my cat and I know that feeding raw would be a huge, huge thing to have to battle with my parents and sister, who also play a part in feeding/caring for my cat.

I have also thought of going to see a holistic veterinarian who perhaps might be more open to the idea of raw - I would definitely prefer having guidance from a vet knowledgeable about a raw diet then going against my own vet's recommendation.  It is a shame that vets are not taught very much about nutrition (and behavior, too, for that matter).

Thanks again.
Oh that's an excellent idea! I did go to a holistic vet as well, to discuss the kitties menu..... even though I am ever so lucky that my regular vet is 100% pro-raw and supportive of the diet. You are correct - a Holistic vet indeed will understand the diet better, and will be able to guide you along in ways your regular vet won't.....

Meanwhile, here is a thread with a ton of information for you.... it will help you on your research for when you are ready :)
http://www.thecatsite.com/t/240809/raw-feeding-resource-thread
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Hey LDG!! I would have posted that link but it's my site and every time I do, I get busted for it. It's an informational site for these purposes so I'm not pushing it, just trying to help others which is why I worked on it for 3 years in the first place. Anyway, thank you for posting that link. LaylaCat I sent you a PM with some of that info.
 
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