Finally! The First 100% STARCH-FREE/Grain Free Kibble is Launched!

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I do not feed kibbles, I feed raw, but I think as far as kibbles goes, this is a great evolution to it IMHO-

Wysong Epigen 90 - The First ever 100% Starch Free, Grain Free kibbles in the market!

It is made with 90% Meat! and has a whopping 60% protein!

Here is more information about it:

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS (For Epigen 90[emoji]8482[/emoji])
Crude Protein (Min) 60.0%
Crude Fat (Min) 12.0%
Crude Fiber (Max) 3.5%
Moisture (Max) 11.0%
Taurine (Min) 0.4%
Kcals 489 per cup

Ingredients: Organic Chicken, Chicken Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols as a source of Vitamin E), Chicken Giblets, Gelatin (source of collagen and proteoglycans), Apple (source of soluble fiber), Beet Pulp (source of prebiotics), Plums (antioxidant source), Inulin (prebiotic), Blueberries (antioxidant source), Tomato (source of lutein), Taurine (amino acid), Oregano Extract (antioxidant source), Sage Extract (antioxidant source), Rosemary Extract (antioxidant source), Probiotic Microorganisms (Bacillus subtilis, Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus plantarum, Lactococcus lactis, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus lactis), Ascorbic Acid, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Manganese Proteinate, Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Copper Proteinate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement.

As far as kibbles goes..... IMHO... Hard to beat!

This should also be noted, I think:
Made in the USA at Wysong manufacturing facilities with ingredients from USDA and FDA approved domestic sources
 
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To bad I am going to all wet food LOL and eventually raw.
That's not too bad at all hun, it's too good :bigthumb:

Still, IMHO great progress in the kibbles arena!! No more potatoes, peas..... no more carb heavy kibbles! This is a great improvement! :clap::clap::clap:
 

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That's not too bad at all hun, it's too good

Still, IMHO great progress in the kibbles arena!! No more potatoes, peas..... no more carb heavy kibbles! This is a great improvement!
Thanks! Yes it is a great step for the kibble world! WTG Wysong.
 
 

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I have always been somewhat suspicious of Wysong for some reason. And I wonder about the effects of having that high of protein in a dry food. It's my understanding that very high protein with not enough moisture can cause trouble. And the fat level is very low. I'd like to hear from anybody who buys it!
 

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Anybody heard of Young Again? I found out about it at a big CFA cat show a few weeks ago. It is endorsed by CFA. It is totally plant protein free. You can check out their website yourself.

My cats love the samples. I'm starting them on it tonight, transitioning them from Wellness Healthy Weight, which they have done very well on. However, I only have one overweight cat, and I would like to go carbo free for all of them. I may start a thread about this.

I won't be giving up kibble any time soon, for many reasons. By the way, kibble is called "jacks"in my family because we go so far back with cats, to when, and before, kibble was new, and early versions looked like children's toy jacks.

So I'm wondering if anyone here knows of this food.

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I have always been somewhat suspicious of Wysong for some reason. And I wonder about the effects of having that high of protein in a dry food. It's my understanding that very high protein with not enough moisture can cause trouble. And the fat level is very low. I'd like to hear from anybody who buys it!

I always have been as well and don't know why. 
 

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... I wonder about the effects of having that high of protein in a dry food. It's my understanding that very high protein with not enough moisture can cause trouble. And the fat level is very low. I'd like to hear from anybody who buys it!

I agree Willowy.

High protein combined with very low moisture and (oddly) very low fat sounds pretty hard on the Kidneys to me.

I wonder why it has such a low fat content?  
 
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I agree Willowy.
High protein combined with very low moisture and (oddly) very low fat sounds pretty hard on the Kidneys to me.

I wonder why it has such a low fat content?   :dk:
Can you show studies validating what you just said?
Look, I am no kibble proponent.... But imho, information is missing here for this statement to be made. The high protein theory is old, and the same thought process can be used for raw as well- and it is. Today studies show that cats actually need more protein as they age.e, not less. What you need to look at is the phosphorous content, and by the information here you do not have that. If you look at their label, you will notice that they recommend to feed this food in rotation with raw, and or wet, so that the cat get plenty of moisture, which the kibble can not supply. At least they do that, while others don't.
 

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Can you show studies validating what you just said?
Look, I am no kibble proponent.... But imho, information is missing here for this statement to be made. The high protein theory is old, and the same thought process can be used for raw as well- and it is. Today studies show that cats actually need more protein as they age.e, not less. What you need to look at is the phosphorous content, and by the information here you do not have that. If you look at their label, you will notice that they recommend to feed this food in rotation with raw, and or wet, so that the cat get plenty of moisture, which the kibble can not supply. At least they do that, while others don't.
:yeah: I have been working closely with a Holistic Vet in treating my ailing older dog Wilbur. Higher protein for both cat's/dog's as they age IS very important. I will be switching my cat's to Wysong as a side benefit to the raw they are now all eating. Wilbur is on raw too and his quality of life has seriously turned around because of it. Just incredibly so. I cannot BELIEVE he is still with me - seven month's ago he was on his last leg - literally. Holistically speaking from my vet - high protein IS extremely important. Times have changed in nutrition and these facts are coming to the forefront - finally :jump: !!!!!

I currently have EVO (excellent kibble IMO) on hand. ( by Natura - btw - Innova is not EVO. Innova is Natura's grain dry) I use it when I need to "complete" a meal for my cat's during this raw transition. BUT I am just over the moon about Wysong's new starch free diet. This diet will help me tremendously when I have to travel or be away for a few days. Will solve "how to feed raw" during my absence. :woohoo: in conjunction with grain free wet food that the sitter will feed. Just solves my problem !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
 
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I agree Willowy.

High protein combined with very low moisture and (oddly) very low fat sounds pretty hard on the Kidneys to me.

I wonder why it has such a low fat content?  


Can you show studies validating what you just said?
Look, I am no kibble proponent.... But imho, information is missing here for this statement to be made. The high protein theory is old, and the same thought process can be used for raw as well- and it is. Today studies show that cats actually need more protein as they age.e, not less. What you need to look at is the phosphorous content, and by the information here you do not have that. If you look at their label, you will notice that they recommend to feed this food in rotation with raw, and or wet, so that the cat get plenty of moisture, which the kibble can not supply. At least they do that, while others don't.

I think they may be referring to the original study on the effects of high protein and kidney disease which was initially done on rats. It wasn't disproven until recently when a study was done on dogs (and I think cats too) which proved the opposite. Oddly enough, when I was researching it about a year or so ago, it was difficult to find information on the new study, but maybe that was because I wasn't willing to pay to read the actual study. Recent graduates from vet school were being taught about the new study, but older vets were sticking with the old information. 
 

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Epigen has been out awhile, it's popular among the ferret kibble feeders, I believe that one has more fat if you are looking for another option. Wysong is a big proponent of feeding fresh foods and variety, I don't know if they mean for it to be fed as a sole diet or not. 
 

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I have tried all of the canned Wysong catfood and none of my 5 cats will touch it, although my 5 cats are somewhat addicted to Natural Balance canned and don't each much of anything else.

I also do use some of the Wysong dry Nuture with Free Range Pheasant (freeze dried raw chunks of pheasant in with the kibble) and 4 of the 5 cats love it.  Maybe I will make the switch to this Epigen 90 instead. 
 

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I picked up a bag of this today, my kibble eaters all love it.  It will replace my Pinnacle Cat grain free kibble.

My cats don't eat much kibble anyway, transitioning to raw/canned rotation - but this will be what they get in a pinch when needed.
 
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This food sounds great, and the link was an interesting read. I would like to try this as I feed both wet and kibble and I'd like very much to transition away from the Hill's c/d Pushy is on.
 

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If you read that review linked, it says that this food, which has been out for some time, is actually 14% carbs, and 10% of that is refined carbs - not the undigestible plant fiber that is of no concern. According to this source, the manufacturer, Wysong, is misleading the public regarding the amount of carbs.


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If you read that review linked, it says that this food, which has been out for some time, is actually 14% carbs, and 10% of that is refined carbs - not the undigestible plant fiber that is of no concern. According to this source, the manufacturer, Wysong, is misleading the public regarding the amount of carbs.
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How do you figure 10% refined carbs Robin?
And no.... According to this link, one wysong sales rep, during a phone call, gave wrong information- such misleading/wrong information is in not printed in any of their labels, and can be disputed. I can call wysong and ask them the same question to see their answer, as well as you can do the same. It is important to note that this was one incident.
The amount of carbs, per the calculator, is a little over 13%. Not hard to figure out from the nutrional analysis. They are not saying their food has no carbs either- they are saying it has no starch, no grains.
So..... How are they being misleading?
 
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I just read the review again and that is what it says, 10% refined sugars. This is no better than starch. Digestible carbohydrates is the issue, and they are playing games with the words.

And the "mistruth" about the percentage was said, by the company's representative, to two people who asked, according to this review.


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