Originally Posted by Rockcat
Just some questions:
We know that there was a scuffle prior to the shooting with either Zimmerman or Trayvon on top. If Trayvon was on top, as Zimmerman claims, when he was shot, where did the blood go? Shouldn't it be all over Zimmerman?
If Zimmerman got up prior to shooting, is it still self defense?
We know that's what Zimmerman says happened. I saw the grainy tape of when he was taken to the police station and I sure didn't see the amount of blood that should have been on his clothing if he had a head wound and broken nose. Both of those injuries bleed a lot. Regardless, IMO, a teenager beating up a full grown man is not a reasonable "self-defense" scenario. At the very least, Zimmerman certainly used excessive force for the situation at hand. At the very least
. Personally I think it goes deeper than that, but again that is just my opinion.
The media is certainly trying this case without all the facts and that in and of itself is a travesty. They determined Zimmerman was a racist guilty of murder - they may as well have had banjo music playing behind his picture. The fact that the only picture they show of Zimmerman looks like a mug shot and the only pictures they show of Trayvon are at least 4 years old (when he was 13 and cute...not looking like a 17 year old almost-adult) shows their slant on the story. There is a lot more to the story than what we know; than what the press knows.
The Stand Your Ground law...I'm really torn about that one. We have a "Make My Day" law in Colorado where it is justifiable to shoot an intruder in your home
IF there is a reasonable threat of death
to self or others in the house (**NOTE: NOT a free pass to shoot anyone who comes in your home!). The key, IMO, to our law is the "reasonable" part. I understand the concept of the Stand Your Ground law but it really comes down to the legal language of it and I don't have the time nor the inclination to read it. I don't see how chasing after someone is "STAND(ing) Your Ground" though
regardless of if he ends up jumping on you (I would too if some guy was following me at night!) and even if he breaks your nose, IMO.
Being a firearms enthusiast myself, I have to respectfully disagree with Jana that it is the NRA and gun laws that are to blame for this incident. Zimmerman was to blame, period. Whether or not he was acting legally has yet to be determined. Perhaps the fact that this "neighborhood watch" allowed him (or didn't forbid him) from carrying a gun while on "patrol" was a contributing factor. He obviously had a greatly exaggerated sense of importance being this "neighborhood watch" guy.
However, I will certainly grant you that if you just read the NRA propaganda you would think that every law abiding person should want to own a gun or there's just something wrong with them! Obviously there is no such thing as black and white to this issue, just shades of grey. All of the propaganda from either side paints with very wide brush strokes in all black and white, which means that neither side is anywhere near correct on most of their facts, figures, or "truths."