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Vet said the "cats need all canned food" is bologna....

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 

I was talking to my vet today and just asked her opinion on cats and moisture. She told me as long as the cat is eating a good kibble (Science Diet according to her) and drinking water its fine. That feeding all canned food is horrible for their teeth etc. 

 

Is this true? Could someone explain why cats need more moisture in their diet compared to lets say a dog?

post #2 of 29

The issue is that cats have a low thirst drive. So it's not really that they need more water compared to other animals.... it's just that cats don't really drink. They are made to get their moisture from the food they are eating. Which is why canned foods are recommended because they will have (for example) 80% moisture while a dry kibble will only have like 12% moisture. Dogs know that they are thirsty, and they will go drink water. Cats... don't really do that.

 

I'm not against kibble for cats; my cat mainly eats kibble. But it is important for them to be getting moisture added to their diet if they don't drink a lot of water. As far as the teeth go, in my opinion that's kind of the bologna part.... eating something dry and crunchy is hardly going to be enough to keep teeth clean for any period of time. wink.gif

post #3 of 29
The other problem with kibble is that so often - not always - it has a lot of carbs. But to hold it together as kibble, it requires some carbs or starches at a minimum. Cats have no nutritional requirement for either. And Science Diet does NOT have quality ingredients. ANY formula.
post #4 of 29
We get into a discussion of kibble in this thread: http://www.thecatsite.com/t/241465/talk-to-your-vet
post #5 of 29

Years ago before I did any research on Cat Nutrition, I used to feed almost no wet food. I had one cat who died from Kidney problems and another from cancer, so I started researching. I won't go into a lot of details here, but suffice it to say that after we switched from Science Diet and Royal Canin to Blue Buffalo (Wilderness and Finicky Feast) our other kitties' skin, fur, breath, stools, and vomiting all improved dramatically. They seemed much healthier overall.

 

Later, I learned that more moisture in their diet not only improves their skin & fur, but it helps to prevent kidney problems (function, stones and crystals.) So, I started feeding them one meal of wet food each day (Blue Spa Select and Innova Cat & Kitten.) The improvement was dramatic once again.

 

Now we are taking the next step - I'm switching them to Grain Free. I just ordered Wellness cans (Turkey & Salmon, and Chicken) and Core dry. Also EVO Cat & Kitten. Additionally, I'll continue giving them a little Buffalo Wilderness to snack on occasionally.

 

Oh, Blue Buffalo has some very good basic info about Dry foods on their site, along with a comparison tool. The tool only compares against common brands rather than other high quality brands like Innova and Wellness, but it is still very informative.

 

Bottom line IMO, I would definitely not let them eat Science Diet, nono.gif

and I'd give them at least one meal of wet food each day.

Your kitties will thank you!

 

post #6 of 29
Most vets (who aren't cat specialists) know very little about cats. Most of their education is focused on dogs.
post #7 of 29

I ignore my vets when they talk about nutrition. I plan on looking for a holistic vet when I move.

post #8 of 29

And most vets know very little about nutrition, but especially feline nutrition. A very worthwhile read on vets and dry food: http://catnutrition.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/dry-food-and-vets/

post #9 of 29
Thread Starter 

Right now mine only gets little kibble a day. He is mostly on a dehydrated raw food

post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by Sugarcatmom View Post

And most vets know very little about nutrition, but especially feline nutrition. A very worthwhile read on vets and dry food: http://catnutrition.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/dry-food-and-vets/

Thanks for the link - that was an excellent read!
post #11 of 29

I'd have tuned that vet out as soon as they suggested SD was a good kibble.  laughing02.gif

post #12 of 29
Thread Starter 

I really never listen to the vets advice when it involved nutrition haha. I was just thrown away by this vets reply about cats not needing all that moisture

post #13 of 29

My old beloved cat, who died this past November of Cancer, used to eat mostly dry kibble. When I first had him, and for many years afterwards, I did not know about proper nutrition for cats. I thought if I bought a good kibble that would be fine. He had allergies, dandruff, constipation, and was overweight. After his second enema, I started researching some more and realized he needed to be on wet food. I switched over to a can of wet per day and this helped dramatically with his constipation. Unfortunately he got an aggressive cancer and died last year. I now have a 9 month old kitten and I have been doing lots of research on nutrition to avoid making the same mistakes I made with my previous cat due to ignorance. My current cat gets all wet food plus some raw and a very very small about of Blue Buffalo wilderness formula (dry, as a snack) each day. His coat is glossy and feels like silk. His bathroom habits are great. He's healthy looking and the perfect weight. Knock on wood, things seem to be working so far. I can only speak for myself, but I would never ever do an all kibble diet again. I feel really guilty about my last cat and wish I had known, or my vet had told me, some nutritional advice (he basically had me put him on diet kibble, and made no mention of wet).

post #14 of 29

Kairi gets free feed Blue Buffalo Kitten kibble. He eats alot of it, I guess. He also get one can of Merrick cat food a day (in the late morning). He eats mostly dry, but he also almost empties a full glass (6-8 oz)  of water every day. (He won't drink from a bowl, so he has his own glass next to the sink. No. He's not at all spoiled. )

 

Before I gave him the glass, he rarely drank.(He did play in it though) I don't know why, but with the glass he seems eager to drink, and he also tends to drink out of the kitchen sink if there's a puddle or pot filled with water. 

 

My vet (who is a cat specialist) told me his kibble was enough, since I was feeding I high end dry, but he likes the can, so he gets it. I wonder if many of the cats that don't drink enough, may just want a different thing to drink out of. It worked for me.

 

 

post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by Chloe16 View Post

(Science Diet according to her)



Most vets are sponsored by Hills, makers of Science Diet. They will always recommend you buy the food that they keep in stock themselves (at a much higher rate than normal, of course)

 

 

BTW, it's good to see you back on the site. How is Riot doing? How have you been since Chloe passed? I remember you were very broken up over her.

post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by rad65 View Post


Most vets are sponsored by Hills, makers of Science Diet. They will always recommend you buy the food that they keep in stock themselves (at a much higher rate than normal, of course)

YEP - and unfortunately, even well-meaning vets who know better have a conflict of interest in having to supply Hill's products. It is one way for vet clinic's to make more money in their practices. frown.gif
post #17 of 29
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Originally Posted by Sugarcatmom View Post

And most vets know very little about nutrition, but especially feline nutrition. A very worthwhile read on vets and dry food: http://catnutrition.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/dry-food-and-vets/

Thank you for this link. clap.gifclap.gifclap.gifclap.gifclap.gif
post #18 of 29

Very informative, eye opening link found through my rescue group site.

catalesrescue.org. Click the cat nutrition link in the center, then on the left it says visit this great site.

View the ratings, ingredients words and their real meaning, amazing and educational!

post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by catwoman707 View Post

Very informative, eye opening link found through my rescue group site.

catalesrescue.org. Click the cat nutrition link in the center, then on the left it says visit this great site.

View the ratings, ingredients words and their real meaning, amazing and educational!



Thanks - I could not find the "Nutrition link" you mentioned, or the "Visit this Great Site" link,

but once I figured out the article you wanted us to see (I think anyway), it is a very good, detailed article that gets referenced occasionally on these forums.

Gotta be honest, if I didn't know better, I'd have thought that was a clever way to get people to search all through your site looking for the article.   wink2.gif

 

http://www.bornfreeusa.org/facts.php?p=359&more=1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #20 of 29

This (http://www.petfoodratings.net/cats.html) is the page those links lead to. Rather than "nutrition", the link on the catalerescue page was under the Health Care dropdown, listed as "Cat Food." I have to agree this smells like a thinly veiled plot to get people to visit the rescue site. petfoodratings.net/cats.html seems like an easy enough link to post otherwise.

post #21 of 29

I agree! That was not my intention.

I rarely go to that end of the site, I am behind the scenes in the database, so yes, you are right, after reading the comments I was slightly offended and went to check out my miswording, the dropdown tab is not labelled cat nutrition, it's health care, as RAD65 stated, then cat food.

Under the big bold blue tab on the left labelled LEARN MORE, the next line is visit this great site.

 

Why would I try to get readers to the site? It's not like members here are neighbors, or even close by for volunteering/adopting, etc. (??)

I just remember being pretty impressed with lots of eye-opening info.

 

I guess I should have went there myself and posted only the cat food ratings site address (that I didn't have memorized) instead of jumping in to offer a bit of help.

 

SORRY!

I was enjoying this newly found site too...(TCS)

post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by catwoman707 View Post

I agree! That was not my intention...I guess I should have went there myself and posted only the cat food ratings site address (that I didn't have memorized) instead of jumping in to offer a bit of help.

 

SORRY!

I was enjoying this newly found site too...(TCS)


 

catwoman707, please don't be sad   balloon.gif

 

I love cats, I love women, I really love catwomen... heck, I even love the number 7 in any combination!

 

We didn't think you were evil or anything...

the links you described just weren't quite as you had remembered them... it was an innocent mistake - no harm done!   rub.gif

 

And, sorry if I hurt your feelings!   alright.gif

 

 

post #23 of 29

yeah.gif

 

I was mostly jesting, too. Obviously anyone working hard for a rescue wants to get the name of that rescue out there. I never thought you were purposely doing that.

post #24 of 29

Thank you both. You brought tears to my eyes.

Extra sensitive today, I discovered something last night that shocked and hurt me to my core, and I can't share it, of course it's about cats, but not nice, not at all. And I don't know what, if anything to do about it. Not fair to share though.

Upsetting enough that I hardly slept.

Thanks again girls, I really appreciate your msgs!

post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by catwoman707 View Post

Thank you both. You brought tears to my eyes.

Extra sensitive today, I discovered something last night that shocked and hurt me to my core, and I can't share it, of course it's about cats, but not nice, not at all.

And I don't know what, if anything to do about it. Not fair to share though. Upsetting enough that I hardly slept.

Thanks again girls, I really appreciate your msgs!



Hey, I'm a guy - guys can love Kitties too ya know! Plus, that fact makes my CatWoman fetish a little less disturbing to some people, including my Wife...  banana2.gif

 

 

I'm concerned about the upsetting cat related discovery you made...

I take Cat Welfare very seriously - if there is some kind of abuse or mistreatment occurring, please let us know about it.

There are steps that can be taken to correct most problems.  whistle.gif   smash.gif     walking_tall.gif

 

Dave

 

 

 

post #26 of 29
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Originally Posted by catwoman707 View Post

Thank you both. You brought tears to my eyes.
Extra sensitive today, I discovered something last night that shocked and hurt me to my core, and I can't share it, of course it's about cats, but not nice, not at all. And I don't know what, if anything to do about it. Not fair to share though.
Upsetting enough that I hardly slept.
Thanks again girls, I really appreciate your msgs!

hugs.gif I see you found the SOS Forum. heartpump.gif

This is, in fact, a site to share these things with. So many of us TNR and work with and/or rescue ferals, sadly, many of us have encountered the very worst in people. frown.gif
post #27 of 29

I'm okay-ish enough about it, also see that I can, in fact tell-all here, so I will share my latest stories of good and evil in their appropriate forums.

Thanks again for the support, I am so happy to have found TCS.

post #28 of 29
agree.gif Not to hijack the thread further, but that's really the point of the different forums. One of the really sensitive issues is abuse, so for people who are feeling emotionally vulnerable, it makes it easy to avoid threads they don't want to see. hearthrob.gif
post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by Chloe16 View Post

I was talking to my vet today and just asked her opinion on cats and moisture. She told me as long as the cat is eating a good kibble (Science Diet according to her) and drinking water its fine. That feeding all canned food is horrible for their teeth etc. 

 

Is this true? Could someone explain why cats need more moisture in their diet compared to lets say a dog?

Whether dogs are carnivores or omnivores is highly debatable. They are descendants of the wolf who are carnivores. I usually present it that dogs have a carnivorous background but have shifted to become more omnivorous during domestication. Cats on the other hand have remained a true carnivore and are actually obligate or strict carnivores that require animal based foods in their diets to provide their unique nutritional needs.

 

Cats are wired to get most of their moisture from the foods they eat.  Dogs, OTOH, will run to the water bowl and lap up an entire bowl of water after playing outdoors. Some cats enjoy water and will drink plenty of it.  Others not so much.  I personally have no issue with an all kibble diet for your cat if he/she is getting plenty of water to hydrate itself.  A cat not getting enough water can develop a multitude of health issues up to and including UTIs.  Another consideration is kibble is calorie/carb dense which can lead to obesity and possibly diabetes if the ingestion of the kibble is not monitored.  That said, an all kibble diet is okay as long as you monitor the cats intake and your kitty is drinking enough water.

 

Waltham Center for Pet Nutrition suggests an 80% wet to 20% dry diet for cats.  I *try* to go by this guideline but I'm sure I'm not exact because I do free feed the cats kibble. Their kibble is Nutro Max Indoor Chicken.   I only do this because none of them over eat.  Their wet meals are fed twice daily. Their wet consists of Nutro Natural Choice varieties and I will throw in other brands of premium wet to give them different tastes and textures.  So far I have had very healthy cats with no health or oral health issues. My oldest is 15 and the youngest is about 3.
 

 

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