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post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
I'm sure you've all heard of the case where a boy died at a church where they were performing a healing to rid the boy of his autism, ie. evil spirits.

There are now charges of murder pending on the minister of murder. Here are three CNN articles, most recent first, on the death.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/26/au...ath/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/25/au...ath/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Midwest/0....ap/index.html

(That last article of what the "church" did is pretty disturbing.)

How far should freedom of religion go?
post #2 of 20
They went too far. In my eyes, that is homicide. I don't care if they were saying that they were doing to get rid of "demons" - a death occurred and I hope this so called pastor gets the most extreme sentence passed onto him.

That poor boy, he has a sweet face! Autism is a condition, NOTHING to do with bloody demons
post #3 of 20
Unbelievable- that is absolutely, and undeniably MURDER. I hope all involved are charged and convicted.

Maybe this priest will end up slaughtered in a prison cell too- I can only hope.
post #4 of 20
He wasn't a priest, he was a minister, but still, don't these people do research? They said they had performed this exorcism on this poor child several times before for up to 2 hours! I wonder what the autopsy would reveal? A burst heart from a broken rib? How sad to be so fanatically driven that any type of unwarranted behavior is seen as demon possession. And although I do believe that demons can possess certain people, this little child was not one of those. It just makes me sad and I hope the parents are found guilty as well.
post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 
So far, they are not charging the mother with anything, nor the other church members who were present.

Personally, I agree with you all. I also think these people are freakin' idiots if they can't see the difference between autism and demon possession. But according to the head minister (why do you need more than one if there are only 6 families total in the church???), they weren't confused, "I know what I'm talking about."

I think the mother should be charged with something, too. Even if she had been brainwashed. How can you stand back and let the people beat your child (this is from the 3rd article)? Another article I found on the internet said that they prayed over the boy for over an hour before they noticed that he wasn't breathing. How do you not notice?

This is as much of an abomination of Christianity as the terrorists are an abomination of Islam.
post #6 of 20
I have been around a LOT of autistic children - some of them react violently because it is their way of communicating - I know, I got punched on the nose by one! OUCH! But you have to understand, it is just the way they are.

The mother wasnt charged? Bloody hell! This is sickening.
post #7 of 20
I am a firm supporter of freedom of religion. But this is not religion - this is ignorance!
post #8 of 20
I do read the Bible and for sure there is nothing in the bible the way how they did it . Jesus told the demon to come out of him and never lay a hand on the person . In my eyes they killed that child . For sure I don't undertsand the mother of the child that she was watching all that stuff . I think they are a sekt or how ever you call that in english .
post #9 of 20

That is so sad! Autistic children are often gifted in very special ways - now that special child is forever lost to the world because of some abusive fanatics. The mother should be charged for not trying to stop it!
post #10 of 20
The Dark Ages have returned! Mental illness is actually demon possession.

It is said that "ignorance is bliss" - some people must go through life, in ecstasy!

This is on par with cases of parents withholding insulin and attempting to pray away juvenile diabetes.

My grandmother was and my mother is a devout Pentecostal but, they take (took) their medicine.
post #11 of 20
Oh my God! That poor baby.
post #12 of 20
Quote:
Originally posted by Nora
I am a firm supporter of freedom of religion. But this is not religion - this is ignorance!
Too true...
It's appaling... but you know, i have to say this in defence of other religious people, though i myself am not religious, i think this guy is just an idiot. Wether he did it for religious purposes or for non-religious purposes, it was just plain stupidity. I hope he doesn't represent any large religious body.


eeee.

i just read that last article, and actually i now think they should ALL stand trial! and i hope they ALL get sentenced to similar 'exorcisms' hopefully under the care of large hungry lions...
post #13 of 20
I'm trying to catch up on all the IMOs and this is really sad, I don't watch news mainly for it's baises and it's desire to show sick stuff or depressing stuff. I'm wondering what the man was thinking, putting all his weight on a kid?! This was done out of arrogance caught up in the moment of thinking he can exorcise this kid and caught up in ignorance, not realizing what he was dealing with was a child. Very sad....
post #14 of 20
Exorcisms is the catholic term, evangelicals call it deliverance.
Yes some mental illnesses can be delivered out of a person by divine intervention, not all mental illness is caused by a demon, but certainly some are. I personally don't believe autism is a demonic illness.
post #15 of 20
The family that allowed this to happen should definately be charged!
post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by Shankar
Exorcisms is the catholic term, evangelicals call it deliverance.
Yes some mental illnesses can be delivered out of a person by divine intervention, not all mental illness is caused by a demon, but certainly some are. I personally don't believe autism is a demonic illness.
I have no problem with attempts to faith-heal, no matter what the illness. It's the way it was done, I just don't think that God ever intended for his flock to beat the cr@p out of anyone, let alone a small child, as a means of exorcism or deliverance! From the stories, these people sound like a real perversion of Evangelicals, not anywhere close to the upstanding people who practice that faith.
post #17 of 20
Quote:
Originally posted by valanhb
I have no problem with attempts to faith-heal, no matter what the illness. It's the way it was done, I just don't think that God ever intended for his flock to beat the cr@p out of anyone, let alone a small child, as a means of exorcism or deliverance! From the stories, these people sound like a real perversion of Evangelicals, not anywhere close to the upstanding people who practice that faith.
Very true, deliverance should not involve violence at all, I have heard of many cases of deliverances where a spoken word and prayer was enough.
post #18 of 20
I believe that God can heal BUT he created Doctors for healing
also - i think that charges should be filed
post #19 of 20
Quote:
Originally posted by chelle
I believe that God can heal BUT he created Doctors for healing
also - i think that charges should be filed
Thats absoulitly right, We should be thanking God everyday for the miracoulous advances in medicine that we have today.
post #20 of 20
They went too far, that's not Religion!

IMO I think that the mother should also be charged with murder, isn't it her responsibility to make sure that her child isn't harmed in any way, shape or form? And if those "adults" thought that they were cleansing his soul or spirit they also should be charged with Assisted Murder or whatever it's called.

This is one reason why I don't watch tv news anymore. Too much pain and hurt and ignorance in the world!
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