Really scared again for Bonaparte

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Hoping they have him all cleaned out and the problem does not re occur.
 
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He is OK, they are keeping him lightly sedated to avoid stress. The vet will decide tomorrow if he can come home. But it will not be till they are sure he is peeing OK on his own. He will have a catheter again for a while. They have 'tefloned' him - coated his tubes with some kind of slidey substance that discourages sand or gravel from sticking to him.
 

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I just saw this. This forum and the RB one break my heart so I rarely view them,  but I saw Bonaparte's name and came to the thread.

Poor boy!  Lots of vibes that he feels better soon and is able to come home tomorrow!
 
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Oh Jenny! How annoyingly frustrating. :hugs: So no crystals or gravel in his urine, either? Many :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: for Bonaparte!
Lauren's Pipsqueak had the same thing (though I don't think he ever had a problem with crystals) - only it seems maybe not as much blood. She's trying Dasuquin. Though it turns out the glucosamine studies weren't controlled, and they now believe it doesn't really help with idiopathic cystitis, in some cats it does (by thickening/buffering the bladder wall). I don't know if it's worth discussing with the vet or not, but wanted to put the idea out there. :heart3:
Pipsqueak does have FIC - blood in urine with no known cause - no crystal's or stones. I took him through all of the tests: xrays, culture sensitivity urine tests, and ultrasound. Everything was normal. Very frustrating not to be able to find out the WHY... I have not been able to see actual blood though (red urine) although when I collect it from him it is a brownish color. He let's me collect his urine while he goes, I just use a sterile small plastic container. He is currently on Dasuquin http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/vet/products/Dasuquin-for-cats.aspx It is suppose to help strengthen the bladder wall against irritation.
I am not sure it is working though. These last few day's he is going to the box a bit more again, not like before, but a little more and the urine clumps are not as big. He was also on an anti-depressant but not at the current time. The antidepressant he was on was called Elavil. It helps the cat's to retain their urine and allows the bladder to heal. Although it did stop his urinating frequently - it did not clear the blood in the urine. He was on it for three month's. I may have to go back to it just for his stress and urine retention. His FIC is most likely due to his high strung nature. Stress goes directly to a cat's bladder causing inflammation and irritation - which produces the blood.
 
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Pipsqueak does have FIC - blood in urine with no known cause - no crystal's or stones. I took him through all of the tests: xrays, culture sensitivity urine tests, and ultrasound. Everything was normal. Very frustrating not to be able to find out the WHY... I have not been able to see actual blood though (red urine) although when I collect it from him it is a brownish color. He let's me collect his urine while he goes, I just use a sterile small plastic container. He is currently on Dasuquin http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/vet/products/Dasuquin-for-cats.aspx It is suppose to help strengthen the bladder wall against irritation.
I am not sure it is working though. These last few day's he is going to the box a bit more again, not like before, but a little more and the urine clumps are not as big. He was also on an anti-depressant but not at the current time. The antidepressant he was on was called Elavil. It helps the cat's to retain their urine and allows the bladder to heal. Although it did stop his urinating frequently - it did not clear the blood in the urine. He was on it for three month's. I may have to go back to it just for his stress and urine retention. His FIC is most likely due to his high strung nature. Stress goes directly to a cat's bladder causing inflammation and irritation - which produces the blood.
Thanks for the info. Lauren. The vet has called me this morning and I can bring Bonaparte home htis afternoon. The vet says he removed a lot of gunk form his tubes, some of which was embedded and had been there a long time. I must keep him on a special diet for the rest of his life, difficult in a mulit-cat (and dog!) household, but I will sort things out. He is also an inside/outside cat and eats the prey he catches, and I cannot change that - I have a feeling that it may be no coincidence that this has happened just after I had to keep him in for a month because I had a cat-killing dog staying in my gite and the poor cat was definitely very stressed. All the cats are already on the best urinary balance food I can find, but it will need to go further. I will discuss the details with the vet when I see him later.

It will be wonderful to have him home. There has been such a Bonaparte-shaped hole in the house, and everyone is feeling it. Tasha is definitely missing him and the cats are quiet and not themselves.. I miss having him in his normal spot on the bed at night and on my pillow in the morning to wake me up. My neighbour has asked where he is, as he is a regular visitor to their garden.

So I will update tonight when I have got him back. Thank you all for your kind wishes and vibes - we all know what a great difference it makes having TCS support behind you.
 

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:clap: We will always be behind our friend's and their cat's here on TCS :hugs: :heart3: A special place for sure :happy3:

YAY for Bonaparte home coming today. Sounds like everyone at home misses his so much and he will be warmly welcomed home. It does sound like he had a lot of build-up in his tubes.... hope he is good as new now and will stay that way on the Prescription diet. I do know the vet's say that all cat's can eat the diet if for some reason you cannot schedule feed all of your cat's. Fill us in with more later :hugs: Just get your boy home :nod: :D :vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes:
 
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He is home at last, and very happy to be free. Apparently he got out of his cage twice by unhooking the catch, until they tied it with string. That's my boy!
They have sent the stones to be analysed and maybe we will know more about hte causes. But I have brought home a month of urinary diet wet food for him. I shall have to reorganise the feeding schedules and not free feed any more - I certainly can't afford to feed them all on this. As it is, I thought I was doing right by feeding them all the Sanabelle urinary health kibble, but he needs more.

For tonight he is isolated int he bedroom where he was before, and I know he is Ok there, it is familiar and he everything he needs. Tomorrow I will let him into the rest of the house under supervision. I do not want the others to fight or rough play and pull his stitches out. He cannot go outside till his next vet visit next week.

I mentioned the Dosuquin and we looked it up in the French drug book, but it is not there. They do have Cosequin though, that seems to do the same thing. The vet is going to do a bit more research and let me know if he thinks it would help him. Thanks again for hte suggestion.
 

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It's great news that he's been allowed home! In addition to the Hill's c/d, Royal Canin has a urinary wet food in pouches. It's chunks in gravy, in case Bonaparte refers that to the paté.
 
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Tricia, it is the RC one he is on - I have a selection of the pouches (pieces) and the little tins (pates), as well as the kibble. He enjoyed a pate this evening.
 

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:cross: that he continues to eat it. Jamie ate it for about a month (with a little kibble on top), but then decided he'd rather starve than take one more bite, so we went to kibble. I've tried a number of different brands with the same results. His UTI was quite a while ago, so he's doing okay on the prescription kibble in the morning and non-prescription all-meat canned in the evening. Lunch is one or the other.
 

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I'm so glad he's home!!!!! :rub:

I do hope the analysis will help with some answers. :nod:

As to the cosequin... I hope he takes pills well. My understanding is they're large, and you have to give quite a few of them. Dosuquin is the same thing, just formulated slightly differently, and thus smaller and you give fewer of them - and the form of the glucosamine, in my understanding, tends to be more effective. Either way, it's hit or miss though (for bladder issues). The research on it is old and not well controlled - it showed it helped. Then the problems with the study(ies) came to light... and other better controlled studies showed no difference. But vets continue to suggest it, because it definitely helps some cats.

But WHY he's making the stones would be a much better help!

:vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: he loves the RC wet and keeps liking it (and it does the trick!)
 
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It is so difficult when they suddenly decide they will no longer eat what is good for them! Hope Jamie continues to hold his own. I am going to vary Bonaparte's meals between wet pate and wet morsels. both of them RC urinary, and the RC kibble. Hopefully that way he won't get bored. He ate well last night and this morning, and has peed in the tray without discomfort, so hopefully he is on hte mend. Right now he wants to stay in his safe room, as long as I spend some time there with him. He is not keen on dealing with the others yet, understandably.

We hope that the analysis will offer some clues as to why this has happened. That is my greatest worry - how to stop it re-occurring.
 
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I'm so glad he's home!!!!! :rub:
I do hope the analysis will help with some answers. :nod:
As to the cosequin... I hope he takes pills well. My understanding is they're large, and you have to give quite a few of them. Dosuquin is the same thing, just formulated slightly differently, and thus smaller and you give fewer of them - and the form of the glucosamine, in my understanding, tends to be more effective. Either way, it's hit or miss though (for bladder issues). The research on it is old and not well controlled - it showed it helped. Then the problems with the study(ies) came to light... and other better controlled studies showed no difference. But vets continue to suggest it, because it definitely helps some cats.
But WHY he's making the stones would be a much better help!
:vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: he loves the RC wet and keeps liking it (and it does the trick!)
The Cosequin that I had for Pipsqueak was made for Cat's. http://nutramaxlabs.com/Vet/Products/Cosequin-for-cats.aspx I is not a pill :) - It is a capsule and you only have to sprinkle one on the food once daily. Twice daily for over ten pounds (two capsules sprinkled on food). It is very easy and they can't taste anything either. I ordered mine from Amazon and also the Dasuquin http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/vet/products/Dasuquin-for-cats.aspx can be ordered from Amazon. It certainly won't hurt to put Bonaparte on one of these two product's. The Cosequin a a little cheaper but the Dasuquin has a better formulation of ingredient's as Laurie says :). That is what Pipsqueak is on right now. :nod:

I wish we could find out WHY certain cat's are prone to stone formation like that. Hope he gets better on the new diet and continues to improve. :cross: :vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes:
 
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The Cosequin that I had for Pipsqueak was made for Cat's. http://nutramaxlabs.com/Vet/Products/Cosequin-for-cats.aspx I is not a pill :) - It is a capsule and you only have to sprinkle one on the food once daily. Twice daily for over ten pounds (two capsules sprinkled on food). It is very easy and they can't taste anything either. I ordered mine from Amazon and also the Dasuquin http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/vet/products/Dasuquin-for-cats.aspx can be ordered from Amazon. It certainly won't hurt to put Bonaparte on one of these two product's. The Cosequin a a little cheaper but the Dasuquin has a better formulation of ingredient's as Laurie says :). That is what Pipsqueak is on right now. :nod:
I wish we could find out WHY certain cat's are prone to stone formation like that. Hope he gets better on the new diet and continues to improve. :cross: :vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes:
That is interesting, as the manufacturer's website says both are available only through vets. anyway, I will wait to see what the vet says, and he is now on a glucosamine med to help keep his system lubricated, so I won't add to that for the moment. He is still quiet today, not yet himslef, but he has been through a terrible time and will take awhile to get over it all.
 

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The Cosequin that I had for Pipsqueak was made for Cat's. http://nutramaxlabs.com/Vet/Products/Cosequin-for-cats.aspx I is not a pill :) - It is a capsule and you only have to sprinkle one on the food once daily. Twice daily for over ten pounds (two capsules sprinkled on food). It is very easy and they can't taste anything either. I ordered mine from Amazon and also the Dasuquin http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/vet/products/Dasuquin-for-cats.aspx can be ordered from Amazon. It certainly won't hurt to put Bonaparte on one of these two product's. The Cosequin a a little cheaper but the Dasuquin has a better formulation of ingredient's as Laurie says :). That is what Pipsqueak is on right now. :nod:

I wish we could find out WHY certain cat's are prone to stone formation like that. Hope he gets better on the new diet and continues to improve. :cross: :vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes:
Jenny is in France, but Amazon.co.uk has Nutramax Cosequin for Cats and Nutramax Dasuquin for Cats Capsules The shipping for the cosequin is ridiculous (GBP 22.02), but it's GBP 3.95 for the dasuquin.

Petmeds has a French website with Capsules Cosequin pour chats They also have the RC Urinary food, but no dasuquin.
 
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