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post #1 of 25
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Hello My three year old male cat has been acting crazy for the past two years.

 

I didn't think it was bad until this year.

 

He has been living with me since he was 4 months old.  When he turned 1 year I had to leave for school.  He was with my parents in the same house.  I would visit almost 2-3 days every month.

 

At that time of my visit he would just urinate and poop over my things, like bedroom carpet, clothes on the floor...anything on the floor.

 

I though he might be mad at me.

 

So after one year, I took him with me, but the problem still exists.

But worse he would just do it anywhere, didn't care if it was my room or any room.

 

And now I have changed the place (2 months now) and removed any rugs..etc from the floor.  He now jumps on sofas and bed and does it there!

 

I just bought a new sofa that is still wrapped in plastic, he just came and urinated over the plastic!

 

He would urinate over my shoes!

 

 

I need help, don't know what to do?

 

BTW: He is castrated last year

post #2 of 25
Have you taken him to the vet and checked him for a UTI? Done fecals?
What type of litterbox are you using?
where is it located?
what type of litter?
How many litter boxes do you have?
How are you cleaning the spots? - the pee and the poop?
post #3 of 25
Thread Starter 

 

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Have you taken him to the vet and checked him for a UTI? Done fecals?

 

No, but visit the vet every now and then. Because the problem started when I left him.

 

But will see the vet.

 

 

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What type of litterbox are you using?

 

 

The normal plastic one!

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where is it located?

 

Under the stairs, where no one can see him. (planning to buy him this: http://www.amazon.com/Pet-Studio-Litter-Cabinet-Mahogany/dp/B0014M1GWO/ref=sr_1_22?s=pet-supplies&ie=UTF8&qid=1325200245&sr=1-22)

 

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what type of litter?

 

I don't know, but it's not the paper one.

 

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How many litter boxes do you have?

 

Used to be 2, but now 1.

 

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How are you cleaning the spots? - the pee and the poop?

 

I use antiseptic with any detergent.

He doesn't pee in the same place though.

 

 

Also, I noticed when my roommate yells NO when he enters her room, he would just go and urinate in the armchair outside her room in the hallway!

 

 

post #4 of 25
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Originally Posted by Mum of two View Post



No, but visit the vet every now and then. Because the problem started when I left him.

But will see the vet. Yes- get a Urinalysis and a culture done - often times this is an UTI




The normal plastic one! I mean - large, small, but most importantly - Covered or uncovered? If covered - remove the cover

Under the stairs, where no one can see him. (planning to buy him this: http://www.amazon.com/Pet-Studio-Litter-Cabinet-Mahogany/dp/B0014M1GWO/ref=sr_1_22?s=pet-supplies&ie=UTF8&qid=1325200245&sr=1-22
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I don't know, but it's not the paper one. Ok - is is pellets? Clumping? Scented? Please make sure to get a fine clumping unscented litter. Cat Attract Litter would be best - they have an attractant that attract kitties to the box.


Used to be 2, but now 1. add another one in a different location....


I use antiseptic with any detergent. This is a Major problem right here. The odor might be gone for you, but not for him you need a GOOD enzyme cleaner. If you don't take this step, the kitty will continue to urinate and defecate around the house..... I highly recommend Nok-Out or Anti-Icky-Poo. They do not sell on stores, only online.... I would buy them by the gallon.... You really need to soak the areas..... spraying doesn't do it.... Get a black light and look for the spots on the complete dark - and treat all those areas.....
He doesn't pee in the same place though.


Also, I noticed when my roommate yells NO when he enters her room, he would just go and urinate in the armchair outside her room in the hallway!
Tell tale of stress right there.... your roommates behavior is not helping the situation....
Get a product online - on Amazon is cheaper called Feliway - they have plug ins and sprays..... That helps a lot....

post #5 of 25
Thread Starter 
  1. Getting the tests done.
  2. His litter box is about medium 2 1/2 - 3  times his size.
  3. The litter is clumping unscented.
  4. I will put another one.
  5. There are no enzyme cleaners where I am at nor they are allowed to be shipped internationally.  Would any recipe do?
  6. You think the whole thing is stress related? and do I have to plug feliway in every room?

 

 

Appreciate your help.

post #6 of 25
I definitely think your guy needs a urinalysis done, first and foremost. It could be stress related but it is definitely NOT out of spite or anger. It is quite possible your cat is associating the litter box with his pain and is going anywhere else other than in that box.

I would use two large open litter boxes and get the Cat Attract litter. You might need to confine your boy to get him back to feeling confident using the box again. If you can't get the Anti Icky Pooh or NOK Out on line. Stink Free is sold at Petsmart. Stink Free really works well. Here is article on how to properly clean up cat urine.

http://www.thecatsite.com/a/how-to-remove-cat-urine

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post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by Mum of two View Post

  1. Getting the tests done.
  2. His litter box is about medium 2 1/2 - 3  times his size.
  3. The litter is clumping unscented.
  4. I will put another one.
  5. There are no enzyme cleaners where I am at nor they are allowed to be shipped internationally.  Would any recipe do?
  6. You think the whole thing is stress related? and do I have to plug feliway in every room?

 

 

Appreciate your help.


HI, I was posting the same you were posting this reply laughing02.gif......

If it is stress related there are many things you can try. But first, let us know about the urinalysis. He has been doing this for so long now that I think you will need to re-train him to the box again. If you confine him then just use the one plug in that room for now. There is also a spray and is much less expensive but you must spritz every twelve hours at kitty nose level on items in the house.

I really do not know of any "home remedy" to really remove cat urine. You have to use the enzymatic cleaner to break down the bacteria. I would really try to find one of the products listed in the article above. Keep us posted vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif
post #8 of 25
One Feliway diffuser covers 50 - 70 square meters, so you wouldn't need one in every room. Cat Attract has a litter additive you might be able to obtain online.
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by Feralvr View Post

I definitely think your guy needs a urinalysis done, first and foremost. It could be stress related but it is definitely NOT out of spite or anger. It is quite possible your cat is associating the litter box with his pain and is going anywhere else other than in that box.

I would use two large open litter boxes and get the Cat Attract litter. You might need to confine your boy to get him back to feeling confident using the box again. If you can't get the Anti Icky Pooh or NOK Out on line. Stink Free is sold at Petsmart. Stink Free really works well. Here is article on how to properly clean up cat urine.

http://www.thecatsite.com/a/how-to-remove-cat-urine

vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif For your kitty. Let us know what the vet finds vibes.gif


 

Taking him to the vet today for the test.

 

They don't sell Cat attract Litter where I'm at.

 

I just ordered NOK, will arrive in 1 week.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

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HI, I was posting the same you were posting this reply laughing02.gif......

If it is stress related there are many things you can try. But first, let us know about the urinalysis. He has been doing this for so long now that I think you will need to re-train him to the box again. If you confine him then just use the one plug in that room for now. There is also a spray and is much less expensive but you must spritz every twelve hours at kitty nose level on items in the house.

I really do not know of any "home remedy" to really remove cat urine. You have to use the enzymatic cleaner to break down the bacteria. I would really try to find one of the products listed in the article above. Keep us posted vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif

 

Hello again

 

Yes, I will post as soon as the results come out.

 

I already ordered 1 feliway diffuser, and 3 spray bottles. I will spray at carpets and furniture all over the house!

 

 

 

 

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One Feliway diffuser covers 50 - 70 square meters, so you wouldn't need one in every room. Cat Attract has a litter additive you might be able to obtain online.

 

Hope everything works ok.

 

 

 

Thanks everyone.

post #10 of 25
Thread Starter 

UPDATE:

Ok so the vet told me everything is normal, its just a behavioral issue.
My cat was admitted last night, he's coming home today afternoon.  The vet said that this admissions period might give a positive change in his behavior.
He also recommended changing the furniture arrangements.  Or getting another cat (which I did before but didn't help)

I'm currently waiting for the shipments to arrive.  At the mean while I don't know how to act with him.
I've tried timeout but didn't work.

 


Edited by Mum of two - 12/31/11 at 10:53pm
post #11 of 25
Great news on the health front! clap.gifclap.gifclap.gif I am assuming the vet did a urinalysis? agree.gif
IMHO Furniture arrangements, the addition of other cats.... these add stress - worsening the issue, and not adding to resolve... I would not attempt that....
I would try the suggestions given before..... Can you get a black light? you have to make sure you treat all the spots...... all of them - there is not way to get them all without a black light...
Time out doesn't work...... Nor does punishment - can you talk to your roommate to remove the yelling?
It will take work, but it has been done, and you will get there - it takes time and diligence, but you will get there vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif
post #12 of 25
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Yes, he got a urinalysis done.

 

And yes I'm not changing anything in the house, nor getting a new cat.

I have already ordered along the black light with the Nok.

 

I will purchase this for the my roommate:

http://www.amazon.com/Contech-StayAway-Motion-Activated-Pet-Deterrent/dp/B000DZFFN4/ref=pd_sim_petsupplies_74

 

Then what do you suggest when he urinates? Ignore him? or take him to the litter box?

 

 

He usually wakes up after a long nap usually at 6:00 PM I  take him to the litter box and he does use it.

 

Last time he urinated was when I showered him, lol he urinated in my shower.

post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by Mum of two View Post

Yes, he got a urinalysis done.

And yes I'm not changing anything in the house, nor getting a new cat.
I have already ordered along the black light with the Nok.

I will purchase this for the my roommate:
http://www.amazon.com/Contech-StayAway-Motion-Activated-Pet-Deterrent/dp/B000DZFFN4/ref=pd_sim_petsupplies_74


Then what do you suggest when he urinates? Ignore him? or take him to the litter box?


He usually wakes up after a long nap usually at 6:00 PM I  take him to the litter box and he does use it.

Last time he urinated was when I showered him, lol he urinated in my shower.

Awesome - I actually use a similar product, called SSSCat, and it works VERY well - a couple of times that it goes off, the kitty learns, and the best thing about it, is that the kitty doesn't associate with the person - it is not a punishment, so not stressful agree.gif

I am not sure where you are, I am assuming out of the country.... It would be fantastic if you could get Cat Attract Litter, but if it is not available there, get this on Amazon: Cat Attract Litter Attractant

About ignoring him, or taking him to the litterbox: It will really be about cleaning, adding the litterboxes, and minimizing the stress...... what you can do is though, if he pees on something like a piece of cloth for example, you can put that inside of the litterbox.
Read this document - it is written by Dr. Elsey's, the creator of Cat Attract Litter, and has great, great tips in solving problems - it is actually a booklet that comes inside of each bag of Cat Attract.... Dr. Elsey's Litter Box Solutions
post #14 of 25
Thread Starter 

So for how long should the device be there?

 

And is it safe to use this device:

http://www.amazon.com/Powerhouse-Products-LLC-Electronic-Repellent/dp/B003HHFW8S/ref=pd_sim_petsupplies_4

 

I want to use it for the kitchen and dining area.

 

 

Thanks for your help.

post #15 of 25
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Originally Posted by Mum of two View Post

So for how long should the device be there?

And is it safe to use this device:
http://www.amazon.com/Powerhouse-Products-LLC-Electronic-Repellent/dp/B003HHFW8S/ref=pd_sim_petsupplies_4


I want to use it for the kitchen and dining area.


Thanks for your help.

Tell your roommate to put it right in front of his door - right on the opening - kitty will be probably sprayed a couple of times and he will learn. Keep in mind, it will spray for him too - be ready to jump - used to scare the heck out of me! agree.gif

I would NOT get the ultrasonic device.....
This kitty can't go to the dining room, to the kitchen, to your roommate's room.... What living areas is he able to go now? Can he be confined for a while to a room? Maybe your room? While you clean the house? You don't want him to be startled or suffer some type of a shock everytime he goes to a room..... IMHO, I would just confine him for now...... Otherwise you will just be adding it to the stress.... Honestly..... I think it can get to a point that instead of training - when there are too many "forbidden, startling spots", that it just becomes confusing and stressful - that is no longer training.... IMHO..... vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif
post #16 of 25

This kitty needs to be retrained to the litter box. Only real way to do that is to confine him to a single room until he's using it consistently... and the smaller the room to start with, the better.

 

Good luck! heartpump.gif

 

AC

post #17 of 25
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Tell your roommate to put it right in front of his door - right on the opening - kitty will be probably sprayed a couple of times and he will learn. Keep in mind, it will spray for him too - be ready to jump - used to scare the heck out of me! agree.gif
I would NOT get the ultrasonic device.....
This kitty can't go to the dining room, to the kitchen, to your roommate's room.... What living areas is he able to go now? Can he be confined for a while to a room? Maybe your room? While you clean the house? You don't want him to be startled or suffer some type of a shock everytime he goes to a room..... IMHO, I would just confine him for now...... Otherwise you will just be adding it to the stress.... Honestly..... I think it can get to a point that instead of training - when there are too many "forbidden, startling spots", that it just becomes confusing and stressful - that is no longer training.... IMHO..... vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif


I don't mind him going to the kitchen nor the dining area, but I don't want him to jump on the counter.  He is allowed in the living room but not to jump on the sofas.

 

 

He sleeps in my bed or under the sofa.  I have a a 10 feet by 4 feet open space for him. Its actually on the stair where the roof exit is closed and is never used.  In that area he is high up and no one can scare him when we have people over and he can have privacy.

 

 

http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/432868/432868,1253465052,8/stock-photo-contemporary-stair-case-with-wooden-steps-and-glass-rails-37389700.jpg

 

 

There's his food, bed, and toys.  But he never stays there only to eat.

The litter box is in another place away from his food and drink.

He also can play outside when ever he wants.

 

What scares me is that I have to be with him every time he stays in the living room to prevent him from urinating on the rugs.

 

Remember when he urinated on the plastic, will he wasn't stressed.  I petted him then as I walked into the room he followed me, he started sniffing the sofas then urinated.

 

!!!

 



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Originally Posted by Auntie Crazy View Post

This kitty needs to be retrained to the litter box. Only real way to do that is to confine him to a single room until he's using it consistently... and the smaller the room to start with, the better.

 

Good luck! heartpump.gif

 

AC


 

He is trained and uses his litter box. I clean it and know he uses it.  It's more of an anger related issue.

 

Locking him up in one room will make it worse.

post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by Mum of two View Post

 
He is trained and uses his litter box. I clean it and know he uses it.  It's more of an anger related issue.

Locking him up in one room will make it worse.
No it doesn't...... Contrary to what most think, especially to stressed cats, cats are very comfortable, and even more so, when confined to a room..... Which is why we do this when we first bring a kitty home - it is less stressful to them - they like small spaces agree.gif
Now, one thing that you need to make absolute sure, it that this room is 100% clean if urine to begin with.
In there, you will have all he needs - his litter boxes, toys, preferably a cat tree, his food and water - away from the litter boxes....
Make sure to spend lots of time with him in there as possible......
This will give time for you to clean up the house, while forcing him to pee in the box - cats are neat, and they don't like to be in their own poop/pee.....
Once the house is completely clean, and free of urine - meaning, the enzyme cleaner has had enough time to work - and it does take time, you give him access to more rooms - one at a time..... you start opening doors slowly.
If he pees again outside of the box, you make the room smaller again....
This is not about punishment..... this is about training..... but by no means, it is stressful for them to be confined in a room..... specially if it is your room, and he has plenty of things to do and your attention in there agree.gif
post #19 of 25

 

Originally Posted by Mum of two

Originally Posted by Auntie Crazy

This kitty needs to be retrained to the litter box. Only real way to do that is to confine him to a single room until he's using it consistently... and the smaller the room to start with, the better.

 

Good luck! heartpump.gif

 

AC


He is trained and uses his litter box. I clean it and know he uses it.  It's more of an anger related issue.

 

Locking him up in one room will make it worse.


Urinating or pooping in anger or revenge is a conceptual leap that cats simply cannot make.

 

Stress, however, can and often does cause them to alter their habits. If this kitty is regularly being disciplined for getting on counters and hopping up on couches, that could be enough - especially with the roommate's yelling - to push him over the edge. And he's likely not staying in that stairwell because he's a social boy and wants to be where his people are, making his reception that much more difficult for him to take.

 

I think you've received several good recommendations for helping him. I hope something works for you!

 

AC

post #20 of 25
Thread Starter 

Ok, things are starting to become clear now.

 

My roommate have promised not to yell at him.

 

And that personal space I made for him should I clear it?

post #21 of 25

Depends on what you mean by "clear it."  Normal furniture, etc., should be fine, if the cat feels safe.  That is the most important point.

post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by Mum of two View Post

Ok, things are starting to become clear now.

My roommate have promised not to yell at him.

And that personal space I made for him should I clear it?

No reason to clear - if you mean taking the furniture off and stuff....
Just make sure to have things in there for him, as Mike said..... Since he sleeps with you in your bedroom, I think there would be a great place - not stressful, and he would have YOU.
All his things need to be there.....
And NO urine - make sure the room is completely clean of urine smile.gif
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post #23 of 25
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post

Depends on what you mean by "clear it."  Normal furniture, etc., should be fine, if the cat feels safe.  That is the most important point.

 

I mean the personal space I made for him.
 

 



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No reason to clear - if you mean taking the furniture off and stuff....
Just make sure to have things in there for him, as Mike said..... Since he sleeps with you in your bedroom, I think there would be a great place - not stressful, and he would have YOU.
All his things need to be there.....
And NO urine - make sure the room is completely clean of urine smile.gif
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Ok, but sometimes he sleeps under the living room sofa.

So should I put his things in my room or in the living room? or both?

 

I'm still waiting for the shipments to arrive. :)

 

 

post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by Mum of two View Post


I mean the personal space I made for him.

 



Ok, but sometimes he sleeps under the living room sofa.
So should I put his things in my room or in the living room? or both?

I'm still waiting for the shipments to arrive. smile.gif


Confining him to your room means confining him to your room - that's where he is going to stay..... only there..... he will not come out..... at all.... not for a while....
Put his stuff in there - his favorite stuff..... make it nice and comfy for him heartpump.gif
But if he has a favorite bed, yep, in there it goes..... same with toys, and stuff.....
you can even put a window sill or a cat tree..... he can be there for a while. Do not let him out until you know he is using the box 100% consistently for a good while...... then add room by room..... the house needs to be 100% urine free by then. wavey.gifvibes.gif
post #25 of 25
Thread Starter 

Sorry for the late reply.

 

I have noticed that he doesn't urinate on the carpet, for now.  Guess lowering the voice tone helped.

 

Will keep you updated.

 

Take care.

 

 

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