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Warning - Turkey liver is very high in vitamin A

post #1 of 11
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Maybe others already know this but it came as a surprise to me. 
 
I put together a turkey only (meat, bones, heart, liver and gizzards) recipe and was surprised when the nutritional analysis showed the vitamin A content to be very high, a little over the NRC safe upper limit. At first I thought it was a bug in  my analysis program. After wasting a lot of time "debugging" my program I realized the problem is that turkey liver has 6.5 times the amount of vitamin A that chicken liver has. I had assumed they would have roughly the same amount.
 
Vitamin A is one of the fat soluable vitamins meaning that any excess consumed is stored in the body. Very large accumulations of vitamin A are known to cause serious health issues in cats. 
 
 
Normally vitamin A toxicity is difficult to acheive because it requires very high quantities of vitamin A to be consumed frequently and over a long period of time. The recipe I put together could well result in toxicity if fed frequently. I was planning on feeding it 1 meal out of 4.
 
The recipe included 0.5 lb liver in a total of 11.5 lb making the liver 4.3% of the whole.
 
100 grams of turkey liver contains 72,383 IU of vitamin A vs 11,078 IU in chicken liver.
 
My recipe was 70% water so, my recipe contained 110,040 IU/kg vitamin A including the small amounts present in ingredients other than liver. The NRC recommends 5000 IU/kg and sets a safe upper limit of 100,000 IU/kg. The NRC recommendations are the amount per kg on a dry matter basis. 
 
I don't think turkey liver is readily available to most people but it may be for some as it is with me. Serving it occasionally should not be a concern. But using it frequently as our liver source is probably not a good idea.
 
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100 grams turkey liver => 72383 IU vit A
0.5 lbs turkey liver = 226.8 grams
226.8 grams turkey liver => 164,164 IU vit A
 
11.5 lbs total recipe = 5216.4 grams = 5.2 kg
recipe total (DMB) = 5.2 kg * .30 = 1.56 kg
 
164,164 IU/1.56 kg = 105,233 IU/kg
 
Using chicken liver in place of the turkey liver results in 18,539 IU/kg, well within the safe limit. 
post #2 of 11

Wow. Good to know; thanks, Mschauer!

 

Yet another illustration of the importance of diet variety!

 

AC

post #3 of 11

Thanks for the info.  I guess when I get the innards from the turkey my sister in law is preparing, I'll think twice about the liver.

Ritz does not like beef hearts, loves chicken hearts and likes kidney.  One reason I still give Ritz commercial raw is because I can hide liver in it better than I can under a piece of raw meat.

I believe liver stores/filters the toxic stuff in the animal.  So I may start buying organic, natural, etc., chicken livers at the pet food store where I buy RadCat.  Or, am I being too paranoid, careful.

 

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Originally Posted by Ritz View Post

Thanks for the info.  I guess when I get the innards from the turkey my sister in law is preparing, I'll think twice about the liver.

 

 

I wouldn't be worried about serving one liver. It is serving a lot of it over a long period of time that can cause toxicity.

 


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Originally Posted by Ritz View Post

I believe liver stores/filters the toxic stuff in the animal.  So I may start buying organic, natural, etc., chicken livers at the pet food store where I buy RadCat.  Or, am I being too paranoid, careful.

 


Some people say organic is always better. I haven't formed an opinion on it myself.

 

 

post #5 of 11

 

Originally Posted by mschauer View Post

 

Some people say organic is always better. I haven't formed an opinion on it myself.


I always say, it's just as much better for your cat as it is for you, and let the reader take that as they will. biggrin.gif

 

AC

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Originally Posted by Auntie Crazy View Post

 


I always say, it's just as much better for your cat as it is for you, and let the reader take that as they will. biggrin.gif

 

AC


Yeah, but for me the question is whether it is really better even for us. But that is another issue...

post #7 of 11

 

Originally Posted by mschauer View Post

Originally Posted by Auntie Crazy View Post

 

I always say, it's just as much better for your cat as it is for you, and let the reader take that as they will. biggrin.gif

 

AC


Yeah, but for me the question is whether it is really better even for us. But that is another issue...


I agree that a question exists, Mschauer. That's why I phrase my recommendation the way I do. (Put "however much that is" after "for you.") wink.gif

 

AC

post #8 of 11

I'm by nature skeptical or any health claims.  That said, I'm inclined to buy natural/organic liver from a high end pet food store (like Primal or Bravo or local Amish market) and non organ meat and meat from the supermarket.  (And I did break down and buy a stainless steel food bowl and threw away the ceramic bowl I bought for 25 cents from the thrift store.)

post #9 of 11
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Dang it!

 

I just realized the NRC safe upper limit for vitamin A is expressed as mcg/kg not IU/kg. Converting to IU/kg makes the safe upper limit 333,000 IU/kg not 100,000 IU/kg as I thought.

 

Also the AAFCO recommendations list the maximum for vitamin A as 750,000 IU/kg. I guess that isn't too surprised given the AAFCO value is adjusted for things like bioavailibility and losses 

during processing.

 

So turkey liver is still high in vitamin A but it isn't quite as easy to hit the safe upper limit with it as I thought!

 

 

post #10 of 11

Thank you very much for the clarification!!!!! I hadn't yet changed my cats' eating schedule, but I was planning to the next time I went shopping... currently, half their liver comes from chicken, half from turkey.

 

Thanks again for the update, Mschauer!

 

AC

post #11 of 11
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You're welcome AC.

 

Remember though that turkey liver does have 6.5 times the vitamin A that chicken liver has. I have found it very easy to exceed the NRC and AAFCO recommended values even with chicken liver.

 

I'm planning on using turkey liver less frequently now.

 

 

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