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post #1 of 27
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So I was wondering if anyone has ever had this issue or anything similar. My boys Panda, Chip, and Bailey have been having lose stools for some time. I have taken them to the vet and the first few times we treated them for worms, then for giardia, then for something I forgot the name of, and then for coccidia, and every time we have gone to the vet recently I have just been told they have lots of bacteria in their stools moving around and they go on metronidazole for a week. It clears up briefly and then we are back in the same boat we started in. I am draining my bank account trying to help stop this and nothing seems to be working. They don't go frequently, its just when they go it is not solid. They eat fine, and their activity level is normal, I just have no clue what is going on.

post #2 of 27

What are you feeding them?

post #3 of 27

That is puzzling-especially since all three of them have it. Honestly, I know it stinks, but maybe try a different vet for a second opinion. Sometimes fresh eyes help a situation.

Do they go outside?

post #4 of 27
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They eat Purina kitten chow, the same thing they have ate since they started eating solid food. The vet is as puzzled as me, she wonders if being bottle fed from birth they didn't develop great digestive systems, but wants to make sure we rule out all parasites and such that could also cause this. They have actually seen 4 different vets and every time they just find something in their stool to treat them for, they all know the history these 3 have. They are 100% indoor only cats and have never been outside a day in their life. They only leave the house to go to the vet. A few months ago I had to bring Bailey in for vomiting and not eating, as well as the usual loose stool. The only thing wrong again was bacteria levels were high. He had an anti-nausea shot and fluids and we came home and he improved overnight. I figured this is related somehow to our never ending problem. I am at a loss, they don't seem bothered by it, but it is not normal for them to constantly have this issue, plus they hate being medicated.

post #5 of 27

I've been through this with my current fosters.  I've just about concluded they will probably have soft stools until their digestive tracts and immune systems are completely developed. 

 

Have you tried any pro-biotics?  Live-culture yogurt can help sometimes, as long as you don't give them too much, about 1 teaspoon.

post #6 of 27

Is he sure they maybe don't have colitis? Or if they do have digestive issues, maybe they need the metronidazole for more than a week. 

I feel for you, I really do. Your poor babies.

I also wonder if a probiotic would help. It puts good bacteria in the belly. I'm thinking about trying that with my cat. Not sure if it firms the stools, though.

I also am going to start adding a bit of canned pumpkin (I get it at the pet store, the grocery store pumpkin can have spices or additives not good for animals) to the wet food consistently.

 

 

 

post #7 of 27
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They are 8 months old and have had all of their shots, hopefully they have fairly developed systems. I gave them Fortiflora that I was given because it was about to expire. Maybe it was too close to the expiration date so thats why it didn't help. dontknow.gif

post #8 of 27

I would change the food to see if that helps. Kitten Chow is actually a pretty lousy food for growing cats. Not a heckuva lot of meat, way too many carbs and hyper-allergenic ingredients:

 

 

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Poultry by-product meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, soy flour, beef tallow preserved with mixed tocopherols (source of vitamin E), fish meal, brewers dried yeast, wheat flour, phosphoric acid, natural flavors,....

 

Yeast, corn, soy, wheat and fish are all potential trouble-makers on a cat's digestive system. Plus the fact that it's a dry food increases the risk factor for urinary tract problems to develop. See if you can find a quality canned food to switch to, like Wellness, Nature's Variety, By Nature, Merrick, Weruva, etc.

post #9 of 27
It is very possible that they need to go on the Metro for longer than one week. It could be Tritrichomonas Feotus http://www.petmd.com/cat/conditions/digestive/c_ct_tritrichomomas- and that would require a much longer dose of Metronidazole or even Ronizadole. Ask you vet about this parasite - it is more common then people think agree.gif. My Pipsqueak had it and had to be on Ronizadole for four weeks eek.gif. Completely cleared it up. If the vet is still seeing "bacteria" running around in the stools - then that is the problem, not the food....... Much luck to you and your three babies cross.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif
post #10 of 27
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It is very possible that they need to go on the Metro for longer than one week. It could be Tritrichomonas Feotus http://www.petmd.com/cat/conditions/digestive/c_ct_tritrichomomas- and that would require a much longer dose of Metronidazole or even Ronizadole. Ask you vet about this parasite - it is more common then people think agree.gif. My Pipsqueak had it and had to be on Ronizadole for four weeks eek.gif. Completely cleared it up. If the vet is still seeing "bacteria" running around in the stools - then that is the problem, not the food....... Much luck to you and your three babies cross.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif

yeah.gif Thankfully we've never had to deal with Tritrichomonas Feotus, but if the vet(s) are finding bacteria in their stools, the problem is not the food. I agree - talk to your vet about a much longer course of metro. agree.gif
post #11 of 27

I have no answers, but we deal with that here too.  Juno and Rex and my problem children and they tend to just have ridiculously sensitive tummies.  If I change one little thing, it sets one or both of them off.  The biggest problem is that they aren't allergic to the same things and when one gets better on a food, sometimes the other gets worse. 

 

I am always wondering about Coccidia and Giardia...but my vet is always saying no.  Like you, we have done lots of treatments and like you, it clears for a time and then starts back.  And ours are usually not runny stools, just softer than normal...and occasionally they will have blood or mucous during a "flare."

 

Good luck with it all!  I know how frustrating it can be!

post #12 of 27

I would definitely have them tested for T. foetus.  If it's not that, then it's probably the food.  Tumbles had this problem and we did Metro off an on. The vet finally put him on a prescription food (Royal Canin HE for sensitive tummies) and he's done great!

post #13 of 27
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It is very possible that they need to go on the Metro for longer than one week. It could be Tritrichomonas Feotus http://www.petmd.com/cat/conditions/digestive/c_ct_tritrichomomas- and that would require a much longer dose of Metronidazole or even Ronizadole. Ask you vet about this parasite - it is more common then people think agree.gif. My Pipsqueak had it and had to be on Ronizadole for four weeks eek.gif. Completely cleared it up. If the vet is still seeing "bacteria" running around in the stools - then that is the problem, not the food....... Much luck to you and your three babies cross.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif


I will definitely have the vet look into this. It sounds like it, their stools are very smelly too, and they get gassy, which is why the vet is always looking for coccidia and giardia. Once when we treated them for giardia they couldn't find it in their stool they just seemed like they had it. And the time we treated them for coccidia they had 1 little coccidia thing in the sample. We are due back next week for yet another recheck. 4 weeks is a long time to give medicine. My cats are the worst things in the world to medicate, every time I have to medicate them it is a battle. Pills are basically impossible, they eat pill pockets off from around them, same as hiding it in wet food, and attempting to even open their mouths when they know a pill is around they will shred your arms to pieces. But if we can clear this up and keep it that way it is completely worth it.

 

post #14 of 27

My kitty had constant loose stools. In fact, he didn't always make it to the litter box. He smelled horrible and would run from his dish to the box. I switched to a raw food diet. It has changed his life. He has a stool once a day sometimes every other day. They are well formed and hardly stink.  

 

There are lots of sites about switching on the web and somewhat confusing. I use chicken or turkey. I grind it bones and all in a cheap hand grinder. I use a small hatchet on turkey before the grinder because the bones are a larger than a chickens.

 

I add chicken hearts for extra Ta urine, some brewers yeast, a little salt, and occasionally some fish for the oils.  He is gaining weight, has a luxurious coat, lots of energy. 

 

I think a higher quality food might solve your problem; however, I'm no vet and ruling out any disease is probably still a good idea. 

post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by Feralvr View Post

It is very possible that they need to go on the Metro for longer than one week. It could be Tritrichomonas Feotus http://www.petmd.com/cat/conditions/digestive/c_ct_tritrichomomas- and that would require a much longer dose of Metronidazole or even Ronizadole. Ask you vet about this parasite - it is more common then people think agree.gif. My Pipsqueak had it and had to be on Ronizadole for four weeks eek.gif. Completely cleared it up. If the vet is still seeing "bacteria" running around in the stools - then that is the problem, not the food....... Much luck to you and your three babies cross.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif


Heyho, 

 

what apportioning did you had for the 4 weeks ?

 

Cause we have made 30mg/kg/ once a day for 14 days, and we are after 2 weeks again positive. so we are starting again today with ronidazol but are not sure with the dose our vet gives us. 

 

thanks for your help.

post #16 of 27
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I will definitely have the vet look into this. It sounds like it, their stools are very smelly too, and they get gassy, which is why the vet is always looking for coccidia and giardia. Once when we treated them for giardia they couldn't find it in their stool they just seemed like they had it. And the time we treated them for coccidia they had 1 little coccidia thing in the sample. We are due back next week for yet another recheck. 4 weeks is a long time to give medicine. My cats are the worst things in the world to medicate, every time I have to medicate them it is a battle. Pills are basically impossible, they eat pill pockets off from around them, same as hiding it in wet food, and attempting to even open their mouths when they know a pill is around they will shred your arms to pieces. But if we can clear this up and keep it that way it is completely worth it.

AW I know, piling cat's is a nightmare sigh.gif - but if you offer a really, really, really yummy treat after the pill - my cat's are pigs and love those Greenies or Temptation Treat's. Pipsqueak will sit on the counter now and wait for his pills because he want's his treat. Perla is doing the same thing for her pills now too. You have to be very, very quick and swift giving a pill and then they will just learn to tolerate it for that yummy treat. Have you ever used a pill shooter? It is a a clear plastic tube gun thingy laughing02.gif - and it works at saving your finger. If I have a real fighter - I scruff and shoot the pill very fast - they don't even know what hit them. bluelaugh.gif Of course, I have had year's of experience piling cat's so I understand this might not be easy for you hugs.gif But give it a try - if you scruff and lift up off of the counter,( just lift by the scruff until the front leg's are in the air - not the whole cat laughing02.gif) their mouth opens slightly and insert the pill gun into the back of the mouth - try to be gentle so as not to scrap the back of their throat - but get it to the back of the tongue. sigh.gif I know - not easy..... hugs.gifhugs.gif Much luck with your babies cross.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif
post #17 of 27
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Heyho, 

what apportioning did you had for the 4 weeks ?

Cause we have made 30mg/kg/ once a day for 14 days, and we are after 2 weeks again positive. so we are starting again today with ronidazol but are not sure with the dose our vet gives us. 

thanks for your help.

Yes - 30 mg/kg. less if it is a kitten (10mg/kg.). You can either keep them on it for four week's straight - I know - it is lousy frown.gif. OR give it for two week's and then wait a week and start again for another two week's. Trit. Feotus is usually resistant to Metronidazole, unfortunately. But of course - do what your vet is suggesting but treat aggressively IMO to get rid of the parasite. vibes.gifvibes.gif
post #18 of 27

Hey, please go easy on the Metronidazole!  It is extremely irritating to the digestive tract (think chemotherapy).  Since it is not giving them a permanent fix, then it is probably doing more harm than good, in the long run - not to mention how uncomfortable it makes the cats.  I think you need to switch foods.  Purina is pretty bad!  Find a premium (low, or no carb) wet food for them.  If you think these foods are expensive, then consider your vet bills.  If you pay a little extra to put them on a high quality diet, you'll save on vet bills and come out way ahead.  You may need to go online to find a good food.  There are many many high quality brands.  I feed my cats Weruva Chicken & Duck (wet), and they also get EVO Grainless dry.  I am a true believer in food as the ultimate healer (especially for digestive stuff).  Good luck....

post #19 of 27
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Hey, please go easy on the Metronidazole!  It is extremely irritating to the digestive tract (think chemotherapy).  Since it is not giving them a permanent fix, then it is probably doing more harm than good, in the long run - not to mention how uncomfortable it makes the cats.  I think you need to switch foods.  Purina is pretty bad!  Find a premium (low, or no carb) wet food for them.  If you think these foods are expensive, then consider your vet bills.  If you pay a little extra to put them on a high quality diet, you'll save on vet bills and come out way ahead.  You may need to go online to find a good food.  There are many many high quality brands.  I feed my cats Weruva Chicken & Duck (wet), and they also get EVO Grainless dry.  I am a true believer in food as the ultimate healer (especially for digestive stuff).  Good luck....

The dosage above 30 mg. is for Ronizadole for Trit.Feotus. and the person was questioning if her vet was dosing correctly. That was the dose my Pipsqueak got - so I was concuring. Metronidazole is very effective short-term to help "heal" the digestive tract - not upset it - it is also an antibiotic for intestinal bacteria as well as a parasitc drug. YES - long term use is not recommended and use the lowest dose possible. Even 10 mg/lb. agree.gif

Diet absolutely plays a significant role in digestive health. This cat has bacteria swimming around in the feces - so medication is a must to erradicate that bacteria/ parasite, diet won't cure that one. smile.gif

Weruva - great food - I feed my cat's that line of wet food too biggthumpup.gif
post #20 of 27

Ok,

 

thank you very much for the answer, yes we are very carefull with the ronidazol. We do not want to kill our cats or get self cancer cause this stuff is toxic and mutagen our vet said to us. only with gloves ! 

Normally we are feeding high quality wet food from macs, real nature or bozita from sweden. 

 

But we have seen that our cats have the best stool int the time  without ronidazol with hills i/d vet food.

 

many greetings tomi

post #21 of 27
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AW I know, piling cat's is a nightmare sigh.gif - but if you offer a really, really, really yummy treat after the pill - my cat's are pigs and love those Greenies or Temptation Treat's. Pipsqueak will sit on the counter now and wait for his pills because he want's his treat. Perla is doing the same thing for her pills now too. You have to be very, very quick and swift giving a pill and then they will just learn to tolerate it for that yummy treat. Have you ever used a pill shooter? It is a a clear plastic tube gun thingy laughing02.gif - and it works at saving your finger. If I have a real fighter - I scruff and shoot the pill very fast - they don't even know what hit them. bluelaugh.gif Of course, I have had year's of experience piling cat's so I understand this might not be easy for you hugs.gif But give it a try - if you scruff and lift up off of the counter,( just lift by the scruff until the front leg's are in the air - not the whole cat laughing02.gif) their mouth opens slightly and insert the pill gun into the back of the mouth - try to be gentle so as not to scrap the back of their throat - but get it to the back of the tongue. sigh.gif I know - not easy..... hugs.gifhugs.gif Much luck with your babies cross.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif

 

I will have to try a pill gun. As for a treat my kitties are weird and don't care much for them. I occasionally give them temptations and they will eat them after a lot of sniffing. The pounce treats my other cats go nuts over they turn their noses up too. rolleyes.gif Maybe if I gave them pumpkin, think.gif I started giving them pumpkin to see if it would help and it was like giving candy to children they went nuts over it. laughing02.gif
 

 



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yeah.gif Thankfully we've never had to deal with Tritrichomonas Feotus, but if the vet(s) are finding bacteria in their stools, the problem is not the food. I agree - talk to your vet about a much longer course of metro. agree.gif


Yes I do think the problem is not the food, and neither does my vet.

 

 

I know the food they are eating is not the greatest. I grew up feeding my cats Purina brand food, so I have never thought about changing it. I only recently started learning about better foods and plan on changing them to something better sometime after the first of the year when I should have things a little more stable money wise. Right now it is just not an option. I love them and just want them to be happy and healthy. heartpump.gif As much as they love the vet, and I am not being sarcastic they really love the vet and the vets love them as well, I would like to spend less time and money there. They also think riding in the car is fun and love to look out the windows and lay in my lap. bluelaugh.gif They are not your normal cats, but it probably comes from lots of trips to the vet when they were really young and I freaked out over every little thing, and then they started their shots, and then we went into this never ending battle we are having right now, so the car and the vet are just normal to them. agree.gif  Next week when I go for a recheck we will see what is going on, and what she suggest. I will definitely ask about Tritrichomonas Feotus.

post #22 of 27
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This cat has bacteria swimming around in the feces - so medication is a must to erradicate that bacteria/ parasite, diet won't cure that one. smile.gif
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Every animal has bacteria in the gut.  Some good, some bad.  These medications kill everything, good and bad.  I wasn't saying that there is no place for Metronodazole - just that it is very nasty stuff, and if it doesn't do the trick, then move on to different strategies.  That's all.

 

 

post #23 of 27
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Every animal has bacteria in the gut.  Some good, some bad.  These medications kill everything, good and bad.  I wasn't saying that there is no place for Metronodazole - just that it is very nasty stuff, and if it doesn't do the trick, then move on to different strategies.  That's all.

Agree with you smile.gif. Metro is definitely something not to be used lightly - the shortest possible duration should be used.... Always best to use a probiotic as well on this med or any antibiotic - will help with adding back some healthy bacteria to the gut that the Metro has killed - agree.gifbiggthumpup.gif
post #24 of 27
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I will have to try a pill gun. As for a treat my kitties are weird and don't care much for them. I occasionally give them temptations and they will eat them after a lot of sniffing. The pounce treats my other cats go nuts over they turn their noses up too. rolleyes.gif Maybe if I gave them pumpkin, think.gif I started giving them pumpkin to see if it would help and it was like giving candy to children they went nuts over it.


  Next week when I go for a recheck we will see what is going on, and what she suggest. I will definitely ask about Tritrichomonas Feotus.

Pumpkin biggthumpup.gif Good idea. I wish my Pipsqueak would LOVE the stuff rolleyes.gif If I have to give it to him - I have to syringe it into him. My other cat's love pumpkin.


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post #25 of 27

How can Metrodnidazole be harsh on digestion if that's what they are using to treat the digestive tract? I don't get it. Miss was only on it for a few days, but the vet wants me to watch her because he said some cats have to be on a low dose of it all the time if nothing else solves the problem...

 

Digestion issues are so ridiculously tough to solve...

post #26 of 27
Metro is an antibiotic that also acts as an anti-inflammatory and is DESIGNED not to kill the healthy flora in the gut. I don't know why Presto is saying metro is nasty stuff. dontknow.gif Hope Presto comes back to provide us some links/references/citations.
post #27 of 27
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Metro is an antibiotic that also acts as an anti-inflammatory and is DESIGNED not to kill the healthy flora in the gut.

Are you kidding??  Do you really think a "poison" discriminates between the good bacteria and the bad??  That would be some magic (smart) bullit.  I think you're the one who needs to provide the links. "A poison that can tell good from bad bacteria" - now there's something to write about! 

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