Mr. Jinx health/stuff update

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Poor Mr. Jinx. He's probably still a bit disoriented from the anesthesia, and scared from the vet visit. :vibes::vibes::vibes: that he calms down and comes out of hiding soon.
 

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Interceptor is for heartworm, not FIV.

You're sure he was talking about FIV? (I mean, getting it from the litter box????) That is considered likely with FeLV (though a lot of rescuers don't even separate FeLV kitties as most adult cats have strong enough immune systems to fight off the virus). But you're right - saying FIV cats can't be housemates is like saying you can catch HIV from someone with HIV by sharing a meal with them, or being roommates with them. :rolleyes:

WOW that's expensive for a holistic vet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Our holistic vet charges the same basic rate as regular vets, but the initial herbal/acupuncture consult is $200. But after that, it's essentially the same charge as visiting a regular vet - though you would have to pay for acupuncture if you use it (no benefit for any of our kitties at this point). Bummer about the cost!

You might want to check in with the forums on the http://www.fivtherapy.com site about the Emmune boost, because when dealing with FIV, it's not about "boosting" the immune system so much as it is about helping regulate it... just a thought.

...as to poor Mr. Jinx... :rub: , I think jcat's right. He's probably very disoriented from the anesthesia. :( It can take a couple of days to clear their systems. :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :heart3:
 
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Sorry LDG - I have more meds than cats at this point, and getting disoriented myself!


It's Interferon! He said to give it to him for a week, and then nothing, and then watch - if he has upper respiratory, then give him another week. Week on, week off, basically. And then only when he has congestion issues.

I looked at the site, and only a few of the herbs in the emmune boost are listed. I may just stick to the acidophilis for now, and gradually add in SMALL vitamin C dose and bone calcium. Today he's definitely out of it. He won't come out from under the bed and is basically sleeping at the VERY back corner, meaning, "I don't want to be touched!" So I've just been going in and reading 30 pages, then leaving, then going back. Trying not to take it too personally - I know he needed to go for his neuter, I just hate how sad he seems. Hopefully tomorrow will be better.

They also put some soft claws on him, but did it on all his nails! I didn't specify just front, so he is so weirded out by everything, and I feel awful. I feel like the evil lady who he trusted and then turned on him. I've been medicating myself with ice cream.


I live in Los Angeles, and every holistic vet here seems to be "to the stars" and therefore, the money. LOL I am not ruling it out anyway, and do want to take him at some point. We have to move at the end of Jan, and once we're all settled, it may be a good idea to take him. In the meantime, I think when he's back to his usual self, he'll need to adjust to family life and eating properly, and then moving! So much at once, but I'm hoping it won't be as scary as yesterday.

And yes, FIV about the litter box. He tested neg for FeLV again (hooray!!!). It's crazy! I know they can't get it from eating or drinking or playing or litter (urine was the worry, for some weird reason?). My husband wants to get the girls tested and give them the vaccine anyway. I said I'd think about it, because I want to make sure that that's safe.
 

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Glad the surgery went well. :vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes: For the Interferon to do it's job. Don't know much about that for treating FIV . Mr. Jinx is one lucky boy to have you and your DH caring for him now :hugs::hugs::hugs:
 
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Thank you!!

So far today he's been under the bed ALL day. He came over to me once, looked past me, growled at the lamp (or outside the window), and then went back under. So it doesn't seem like I'm the cause of his scares. But he still hasn't eaten all day, so I'm worried. I placed his food and water under the bed, fingers crossed he eats.

I can't wait until he comes out so I can see how he's doing. His poor infected eye doesn't look so hot, but that could be because he's been sleeping/freaked out all day. :(
 

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Did the vet give him a shot of Interferon? Or is it available in oral now - the info from Bud's Therapy dates back to pre-2005. Don't know if you've had time to read up on this yet, but here's the initial discussion:

http://www.fivtherapy.com/bdmeds.htm

Feline Omega Interferon. Interferons are specialized proteins produced by the body to direct the immune response. Type 1 interferons enhance the activity of CD8+ lymphocytes and of NK cells and inhibit overproduction of B cells and antibody synthesis. They also exert direct antiviral action by stimulating cellular enzymes to inactivate viral (e.g., herpesvirus and calicivirus) RNA (mRNA); against HIV, this action occurs only in macrophages, not in T-cells. Virbagen Feline Omega interferon , produced from feline cells by recombinant technology, has recently been licensed in Europe for treatment of FeLV and FIV; however, it is not yet available in the U.S. Word from Virbac, the manufacturer, projected availability in Canada in May, 2005, in the U.S. “after that.” Neither has happened to date. It can, however, be procured from abroad for use in the U.S. (The North American rights to recombinant feline interferon were sold by the Japanese developer, Toray, to Scherring Plough, not Virbac. For whatever reason, Schering Plough has not marketed a product.) Several studies have shown substantial improvement in health and survival rates of FIV+ animals receiving it, though in a recent FIV study, short-term administration did not improve viral load and produced only modest white cell gains. Particularly useful in treatment of FIV-related oral inflammation. Most common side effect is fever spike several hours after injection. Usual protocol for administration is a series of five daily injections, repeated at day 14 and day 60. In a 2006 update on use for symptomatic FIV, Virbac recommended monitoring clinical and hematological status after each group of five injections and stopping therapy in the event of either nonresponse or a return to normality. For the first time, it also recommended subsequent five-injection series in the event of relapse. Some people give individual injections as maintenance every three to four weeks following the end of the 3 x 5 protocol, a practice not endorsed by the manufacturer. Dosage: 1MU/kg SubQ. Some people give the interferon in a highly dilute form for mucosal absorption, the method widely used to give alpha interferon. (Bud’s Dosage: 4 MU in five-injections series, followed by monthly injections) U.S. procurement information available on request. Read more . . . “Interferons and FIV”

Note: Human Alpha Interferon has been used for viral infections and inflammatory conditions common among cats with FIV. Because high-dose injectable Human Alpha Interferon (unlike Feline Omega) provokes a foreign-substance immune response in cats, it quickly loses potency. Oral administration in a highly dilute form is usual, but its efficacy has not been universally supported. A new Italian study has found clear clinical benefit and survival value for cats treated with low dose oral huIFN-α. Although viral load remained unaffected, a strong immunomodulating effect was evident. However, the study did not make use of the recombinant interferon currently available; it used a mixed “natural” interferon-α containing multiple molecular subtypes of huIFN-α, instead of only one, as with the recombinant product. When contacted, the head of the research team said that he regarded the type of interferon used as integral to the result. Multiferon, the trade name for a mixed natural huIFN-a product manufactured by Viragen, is made in Sweden and currently being marketed for human use in other countries. Alfaferone, the product used in the study, is produced in Italy. A mixed natural interferon-α is available in the U.S. called Alferon. To view (in a new window) reports on informal trials with natural interferon-α among members of the FIV-HealthScience forum, click here. Procurement and dosage information available on request.
Read more . . . “Interferons and FIV”
Here's the "Read More" link: http://www.fivtherapy.com/interferons.htm

He's receiving the interferon... for his eye? Or just because he's FIV+ ? I know you haven't been able to touch him, but according to the info on the site, the administration of the Interferon can cause a fever... I wonder if maybe part of how he's feeling has to do with the Interferon (if it was even given to him). :dk:

He is older, and it can take longer to recover from anesthesia.

:vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: :vibes: he recovers well! (And starts eating!)
 
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Thanks for all the info!

I'm willing to do the Interferon for a bit, but I don't like it for a long-term use. I read that it is rare, but kidney/liver side effects can happen, so I'm wary. But yes, for his upper respiratory, it may be good. It's oral (liquid) and no, he didn't give him any, because he said not to start it until after the giardia meds are done. Of course, today he received nada, because I can't get to him, but hoping tomorrow.

It's possible he has a fever either way, or is just simply trying to recover from yesterday's incredible hardships. I know it was tough on him, but he was so brave, and of course I'm miserable because I'm so used to cuddling him and want to terribly, but I have to wait. I suppose he won't live under the bed forever, and hopefully he misses me too. And I REALLY would like to see him eat and drink.

Thank you for the vibes!! I'll visit him later and check - hoping some food is gone!
 
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Hi everyone!

So Mr. Jinx did come out of under bed hiding last night and this morning for some much needed cuddles. He also ate his food with the meds! He's doing really well, but he's obviously still pretty freaked. I've had to pull the curtains down in the room because he growled at the window this morning and alas, went back into hiding.

I'm guessing he's still adjusting to the change in hormonal things going on. But he doesn't seem afraid of me at all, just of everything else, so that's a good sign. Hoping he'll come out again soon. :)
 

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Awwwww........... :heart3: I'm SO glad to hear he's starting to eat and on the road to getting back to feeling normal. Well - his new normal. :)

Yes, closing the curtains was a good idea. :nod: Maybe leave a lamp on, or put in a nightlite for him. :heart3:

:vibes: :vibes: :vibes: he's feeling QUITE himself asap!!!!!
 

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Glad he came out from under the bed for some food and cuddles :D - good sign. I do have a suggestion if you are interested :D..... In my "foster" and/or "safe" room, I put the mattress on the floor - take away the bed frame. That way I am always able to reach a cat who is in need of medication, food or loving for socialization. I still give them nice hiding places, i.e., boxes, or kitty cubes that velcro together but I am still able to reach them.

Just sending LOADS more vibes for Mr. Jinx to continue on this wonderfully positive path and journey with you :hugs::hugs: :vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes:
 
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Thank you! I took your advice and we did take the bed frame out. Of course he was really scared, but let me pick him up, and we left the mattress for him as a bed, as well as hiding spots. He went under the mattress (what a cat! lol) but I'm pretty sure he'll be out and about in the morning since he can't actually live under it like a bed frame. I can't stand that he'll probably be afraid of me for a bit, but I don't blame him, really. I just wanted to make sure I could give him his meds and make sure he drinks enough water as well. He really wasn't coming out.

I went under (before moving the frame) and he was so happy I went under there he purred, but wouldn't follow me out, so I think it was the right thing to do. Sigh.
 

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:hugs: He will get over the change. I promise, they always do. Just make sure he has another hiding "cubby" so he can feel like he is still hiding :lol3: :D He will forgive you :nod:
 
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LOL you were so rightt, Feralvr!


I went back in last night and he was his old self. He seemed very relieved that the under bed area was gone. He was laying on the mattress like ususal, paws crossed, happy as ever, and came up to me purring and kissing and making muffins.

And this morning, he seems 100 percent better. He's eating like a horse again, too! So happy about that. I think he's on his way to a full recovery.
 
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Thanks everyone!

He really is so much better, and super happy. We spent a few hours cuddling today and I was able to snap a picture of him. Notice his teddy bear and holiday house in the background LOL. Hoping he will want to come out for some short visits into the house in the next couple weeks!

 
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So tonight since the DH is not home, I have Jinx's door ajar while I sit in the living room. He's not feeling safe enough to come out, but he's chatting with me and having eye contact with my little old lady, so I'm thinking I may do this a few times per day until he feels confident. Little old lady is trying to give poor Jinx the stare down (she's all of 6 pounds full grown, LOL) but I have harp music playing, so she keeps falling asleep! HAHA!
 

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:lol3: Harp music :clap: Oh what we do for cat's, right?? :hugs: Nice plan you have going - he will venture out a foot here and there as he starts to feel safe and comfortable. Before you know it, Mr. Jinx will be bounding about the house :D :clap::vibes:
 
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Right?! It's been hours of Celtic harp music, and music for concentration. LOL But honestly, this has been the most relaxed evening I've had in ages. I have a glass of wine, all the lights dim, candles, and the Christmas tree lit. Dog and kitty lady have completely respected that the bedroom is Jinxy's, and both lady and Mr. Jinx are sleeping soundly in their respective spots, so it looks like no one's really too nervous. I also placed a heating pad beneath Jinx's afghan, he's LOVING it so much. He is sprawled out on his side. Introductions look like they're going to be pretty smooth! Slow is definitely the way to go. It was such a good idea to have him inside and completely separate for a month before even doing this at all. It was enough time for them to know there were "others" around. 


I'll close the door for sleep tonight so he has a nice break, and we'll try again tomorrow. But it's no rush. I love that he just keeps peeking out like we're all TV out here.
 
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