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My lovely Katie has cancer

post #1 of 25
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Hi to all. This is my first posting - I've seen how great and warm you people are on this site in offering support ...and I'd like to share with you the bad news I had yesterday about my gorgeous black rescue cat Katie who will be 20 in January. Despite being hyperthyyroid,(successfully treated with felimazole) hypertensive,(successfully treated with amlodipine) and with compromised kidneys ( successfully treqated with renalzin and fortekor) and having had 5 teeth out last January, she has continued to be a very happy, affectionate indoor cat with a strong little personality and a penchant for cuttle fish cake and watching "Autumnwatch" on telly! (We are in the UK). She has regular blood checks and on 9 Nov all was well with her haematology, save for a slightly elevated ALK which has been present for a while and vet said nothing to worry about given her age.

 

For the past week she has been vomiting around once a day - sometimes it is a furball, other times undigested food, though she has been happy and purring within minutes. The vet at Liverpool small animal practice , ( she is the best vet I've ever come across) felt slightly enlarged lymph nodes in Katie's tummy on palpation, so we decided on an ultrasound. I was devastated to be told that Katie has a 1cm intestinal mass and also abnormalities in her liver and spleen suggestive of malignancy. Three needle biopsies have been taken and I await the results tomorrow.

 

 

Wow .... I am numb. If it is localised just to the intestine then thay can offer chemo and surgery - however if there are metastases to liver and spleen then the prognosis is much poorer. There is a small chance that the abnormalities in spleen and liver could be just benign and age -related. I do not want to get my hopes up though. I'm in the medical profession so I guess that's why I'm able to describe the symptoms in a relatively clinical manner .....but when I consider the possibility of being without my wonderful, soft and feisty little girl my heart wants to explode. She has lost some weight but is still very happy and eating well and playing. Thankfully she is unaware of my angst. Thank you for letting me share this. has anybody been through the same thing?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #2 of 25

Welcome to TCS, and i'm so sorry you had to find us under sad circumatances frown.gif

 

Keep checking your thread as most of the members are outside the UK, but in the meantime you could do a search in the health forum as there should be threads from members in there with the same problem

 

Lots of healthy   vibes.gifcoming over for Katie though, and please let us know what the vet says tomorrow?

post #3 of 25
Welcome to TCS, a community that will share your positive and negative experiences with your beloved furbaby. Many vibes.gif that Katie's condition isn't as bad as feared.
post #4 of 25
I'm so sorry it's something like this that brings you to TCS. hugs.gifhugs.gifhugs.gif Your grand old girl has lived a wonderful life with you, and clearly she's been so very loved!

vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif it hasn't metastasized (sp?). Our Lazlo, only 9, was diagnosed at the end of July with an 8mm tumor (lymphoma) in his stomach. He is being successfully treated with chemotherapy and supporting medications (steroids, ulcer medication, anti-nausea medication, an antacid, and and appetite stimulant).

vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif for you and your baby girl!
Edited by LDG - 11/30/11 at 5:01am
post #5 of 25

Welcome, 

I am go sorry to learn that your lovely Katie might be seriously ill. 

You will find love and emotional support here because we  all love cats,  we understand the pain and stress you are feeling. 

I will be watching for your update. cross.gif

 

post #6 of 25
Thread Starter 

Thank you all for your warm replies and best wishes. It really is great to talk to other cat lovers! As tomorrow looms and I dread the 'phone call from the vet, Katie is quite oblivious and has just jumped up onto the window sill to watch a pair of graceful swans glide across the river! 

post #7 of 25
Welcome to TCS and I am also sorry it is to bring us sad news about your Katie heartpump.gif. I guess that is really very good news that Katie is feeling good today biggthumpup.gif She has been one lucky girl to have reached the big 20 as you have taken such good care of her all of these years hugs.gifhugs.gifhugs.gif Sending vibes that you can remain strong and that Katie continues to feel good despite this diagnosis... cross.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif
post #8 of 25

I am going through much the same thing as you are. Thank you for posting on my thread about my poor Marmite.

 

I know exactly how you are feeling. My stomach stomach is in knots & I feel like crying most of the time. Thanks to Liverpool hospital, I now know what is wrong with Marmite, but we are finding it difficult to treat her because of her sickness. I wish you & Katie the very best of luck with her diagnoses & treatment. At the hospital, I know that she will get the very best care available. Please post when you hear something.

post #9 of 25
Just adding more vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif for the best possible news tomorrow, and some vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif for you, for calm and strength. hugs.gif

I was a bit rushed this morning, so also wanted to add that I'm happy to share information about cancer and treatment if it makes sense (if your baby's is treatable, and it's the same type of cancer, lymphoma). agree.gif Otherwise, I don't want to bore you. laughing02.gifhugs.gif
post #10 of 25

Just checking in for an update?

post #11 of 25

I'm so sorry to hear of Katie's health problem. Here's vibes vibes.gifthat it's not as bad as they thought. Hugs!!

post #12 of 25

Wishing you & Katie good luck.

post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by Rosiemac View Post

Just checking in for an update?

Me too. vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif
post #14 of 25
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smile.gif GOOD NEWS ABOUT MY AMAZING LITTLE KATIE!!!!!! Just spoken to vet - the biopsy results are not entirely conclusive yet and the samples have been passed to another consultant for a second opinion - we'll know more tomorrow but it looks like her liver and spleen are ok!!!!!!!! HURRAH!!!! There is still an abnormality in the ileum though, but hopefully this could possibly be removed surgically and Katie put on some chemo. I'm not getting my hopes up but it looks positive - I've been so on edge all day that I've done what I always do when stressed - clean the flat - it's now sparkling!!!!!! I'd like to thank everybody for their very kind and hearfelt good wishes and I'll keep you all posted - meanwhile Katie hasn't been sick since 2am Sunday, she's happy, purring and as black and beautiful as ever!!!! Purrs and hugs to you all xxx

post #15 of 25

This news is very hopeful....

now you can stop cleaning, take a deep breath and relax...

at least for now.rub.gif

Continuing Katie's  healing vibes with some love added for good measure ...

Katie  vibes.gifhearthrob.gif

post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by xocats View Post

This news is very hopeful....
yeah.gif and adding more vibes.gif for Katie!
post #17 of 25

Awww this is sounding hopeful like Tricia says. Keep us updated, but more mega healthy  vibes.gifcoming for Katie

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biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifheartpump.gifcross.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif Oh I SO hope this will turn out to be the case! BE TREATABLE!!!!!!! vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif
post #19 of 25
woohoo.gif We just love this kind of news!! More vibes for your sweet Katie to keep feeling good clap.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif
post #20 of 25

That's wonderful news! Liverpool will be able to oversee Katie's treatment, they have been very good advising my own vet.

post #21 of 25
Any further word on Katie? cross.gifhugs.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif
post #22 of 25
Thread Starter 

Update on Katie - good news but some uncertainty !  advice appreciated!  There is no sign of cancer in liver or spleen which is great - however the cytology results on cells from intestine are "inconclusive" in that the mass/abnormality gave insufficient cells to reach a diagnosis. However the ultrasonographer was "confident" that he was looking at an intestinal tumour when he did the needle aspiration biopsies on intestine, spleen and liver. He did say that he was undecided about liver and spleen and that the abnormalities could be age - related and indeed that appears to be so. We have 2 options  - monitor Katie and see how she goes or subject her to an operation for removal of the mass, intestinal resection and a subsequent biopsy of mass so we would know what it was. Katie has now not been sick for 9 days - she is eating well, happy and purring and her normal self! that makes it all the more difficult to put her through an op at present! Apparently endoscopy can't be done because the problem is in the ileum which is not accessible via endoscopy. The cytology was done twice by different people and both times was inconclusive. As far as I am concerned Katie is asymptomatic at present though she has lost some weight so this is something which will be monitored next week when we take her to the vets. I would like to know what others think and if anybody else has had results whuch were of an inconclusive nature. The vet feels that Katie's vomiting symptoms ( which made me take her to the vets in the first instance) could have been furball related and not connected to the abnormal finding in the intestine . I asked if she could perhaps have IBD but was told probably not as the intestinal lumen was clear and this would normally be inflamed in IBD. I also asked if Katie had maybe had this " abnormality" since birth but was told that the ultrasonographer thought that unlikely. Advice and comments gratefully appreciated - meanwhile Katie is tucking into a plate of poached salmon fillet in butter !

post #23 of 25
Wow, this is a tough one! Our Lazlo has lymphosarcoma, his is a mass in his stomach that has not spread. It was not operable, but he is responding really well to chemotherapy. When we discussed cancer(s) with the oncologist, we were told that masses other than in the esophagus and stomach were more difficult to treat, as they're typically non-operable, and as they grow, the problem becomes one of blockage, e.g. the cancer may not directly cause the death of the kitty. (Sorry to be so frank here, but I think you need the information).

However.... she's asymptomatic, and the biopsy was inconclusive. Further, your Katie is 20 years old... she's lived a long and wonderful life, and surgery may be more of a problem for a lady... of her age, so to speak. Lazlo, on the other hand, is 9. If surgery had been an option, we would have taken it. agree.gif

I think you need to give it a few days, and find some quiet time to let your heart explore the options. heartpump.gif

But here's some input I might want before taking that time:

What is the risk to her of having surgery now? Of course, surgery at any time is always a risk, but what are current health and age-related risks?
Because if you wait, and it turns out she could have benefitted from the surgery... will she be strong enough THEN for the surgery?
A question we always ask the vet treating our kitty... if this were YOUR cat, what would YOU do?

Katie has lived a long and wonderful life. Is it worth putting her through the surgery? Even if it is... what type of cancer? Most likely lymphoma, right? Because if it IS cancer, and does grow - would chemotherapy without surgery an option in the future? For Lazlo, it had shrunk the "massive" mass in his stomach (8mm) by 40% in two months of treatment. The specialist wasn't overly happy with this, but we've taken to calling him "Dr. Doom and Gloom," because HIS definition of remission is the tumor GONE. And while that's great... the fact of the matter is that Lazlo obviously feels great. Only about 15% of cats do not do well with chemo. They may not feel well for a few days after the chemo treatment, but with attending medications (prednisone, an appetite stimulant, and anti-nausea medication - and sometimes an antacid), they do very well. That said, with lymphoma, the odds of remission with chemo are about 50%.

And with animals, the goals of chemo are completely different than in people. With animals, the goal is quality of life and comfort. With people, chemotherapy is much more aggressive (and thus all the side effects due to toxicity issues), because the goal is increasing the length of life. Many people - most, according to our vets - opt not to treat cancer, but instead make kitty as comfortable as possible until it's time. heartpump.gif

Things to consider... how does your kitty deal with vet trips? Lazlo handles them fine, and doesn't overly stress. I have no problem getting all of his medication into him, and it's not stressful for either of us.

So if you opt not to treat via surgery now, if in the future she'd need chemotherapy... would that be a problem?

I don't think I answered your questions... but I hope this has helped. hugs.gifhugs.gifhugs.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif
Edited by LDG - 12/6/11 at 3:12pm
post #24 of 25
Thread Starter 

Update on Katie - good news but some uncertainty ! advice appreciated! There is no sign of cancer in liver or spleen which is great - however the cytology results on cells from intestine are "inconclusive" in that the mass/abnormality gave insufficient cells to reach a diagnosis. However the ultrasonographer was "confident" that he was looking at an intestinal tumour when he did the needle aspiration biopsies on intestine, spleen and liver. He did say that he was undecided about liver and spleen and that the abnormalities could be age - related and indeed that appears to be so. We have 2 options - monitor Katie and see how she goes or subject her to an operation for removal of the mass, intestinal resection and a subsequent biopsy of mass so we would know what it was. Katie has now not been sick for 9 days - she is eating well, happy and purring and her normal self! that makes it all the more difficult to put her through an op at present! Apparently endoscopy can't be done because the problem is in the ileum which is not accessible via endoscopy. The cytology was done twice by different people and both times was inconclusive. As far as I am concerned Katie is asymptomatic at present though she has lost some weight so this is something which will be monitored next week when we take her to the vets. I would like to know what others think and if anybody else has had results whuch were of an inconclusive nature. The vet feels that Katie's vomiting symptoms ( which made me take her to the vets in the first instance) could have been furball related and not connected to the abnormal finding in the intestine . I asked if she could perhaps have IBD but was told probably not as the intestinal lumen was clear and this would normally be inflamed in IBD. I also asked if Katie had maybe had this " abnormality" since birth but was told that the ultrasonographer thought that unlikely. Advice and comments gratefully appreciated - meanwhile Katie is tucking into a plate of poached salmon fillet in butter !

post #25 of 25
Thread Starter 

thanks Laurie for your very informative reply -  you basically echo all my concerns exactly! I asked the vet what she'd do if it were her cat and she said that really she'd want a specific diagnosis - and I tend to agree. The vet said that Katie's age should not be a preclusion to surgery - she is a physically strong cat ( had 5 teeth out 10 months ago and was playing within an hour of coming round from anaesthetic!) she is on tablets for hyperthyroidism, hypertension, and renal insufficiency along with renalzin as a "phosphorous mopper-upper". she has regular bloodwork and all her haematology is in normal range for her age. She is a very laid back cat and although I don't know any cat who enjoys going to vets , she takes it all in her stride and is very placid. As she was recovering from her ultrasound last week, the vet told me she was purring away in their " cat ward" - though I suspect this may have been the effects of the buprenorphine! Tablets are no problem as she has them in butter, ham, clotted cream, philadelphia cheese etc! I am going to enquire further about the less invasive endoscopic biopsy as it seems that some vets feel that it is possible to examine the ileum. Our vet is excellent though she freely admits that intestinal physiology is not her forte, so I may get a referral to a specialist - either an oncologist or a GI specialist. As you say if this is a malignancy I want to "nip it in the bud" before It gets worse. Of course there is the risk of peritonitis from any intestinal op - regardless of the animal's age. It's a dilemma - Katie, i wish I could ask you what I should do!!! Thanks again Laurie for your support and big purrs to Lazlo who is doing so well xxx

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