Dog that survives gassing........

What a lucky doggy, glad he has found a home and hopefully they got him on oxygen right away.   Carbon monoxide may not be the best but I'd wager is still among the most humane ways to put an animal down though IMO.   We learned about it from flying older aircraft that it has no color, smell, taste, or anything, so you have to keep a patch on the dash of the aircraft to know if carbon monoxide is seeping in.   Breath in too much, and you simply become sleepy and faint, and then later don't wake if you keep breathing it but you're unconscious at that point so wouldn't feel anything.

Dog Who Survived Being Euthanized

Did anyone see the story about the dog who was in a shelter in Alabama and was put in a gas chamber with others.    Seemed he somehow survived.    A family in NJ heard the story and adopted him.  He's a one year old Beagle and the new family named him Daniel, for Daniel surviving the lions den.      I was shocked to hear that 31 states still euthanize animals using gas.    It's bad enough to have any animals lose their lives, but being gassed is absolutely horrible.     At least this story had a happy ending for Daniel, but what about the unwanted cats and dogs that go through this horrible end.     I don't want to see any animals euthanized, but at least an injection is much more humane.      This story really got me upset and I hope all the states that allow this will change their laws.

I heard this! I read in a news article that next year the gas chamber will also be made illegal in Alabama. What a little fighter though I'm happy this story had a happy ending, but my heart breaks to think of all the other animals out there who aren't as lucky. 

I am just shocked to hear this. That poor dog having to be in that chamber and watch the other dogs die. I hope this will bring to light how utterly cruel it is to still be gassing cat's and dogs. Makes me so upset. Daniel is a miracle dog. Just a blessing for this family.

 

If you're OK with euthanization in general, I don't understand the concern with gas.   Its invisible, odorless, tasteless, and symptoms before falling unconscious are merely drowsiness.     Pilots that have suffered carbon monoxide poisoning noticed nothing more than blurred vision before passing out (no coughing or burning lungs or anything like that), and heart failure doesn't occur while conscious, so I'd wager people are more concerned with the picture of WW2 gas chambers.  By contrast, lethal injection requires restraining the animal and poking it with a needle which they do feel.

 

The only concern IMO is for the health and safety of the staff, as they could be unknowingly exposed, but for the pets I'd think its one of the most painless options.

I saw this.story on the news. Daniel is so cute! Whomever the reporter was talking to said that euthanasia by gas is.painful for.the animals whereas the injection is painless as it is.basically an overdose of.an anesthetic. Gas chambers remind me of Auschwitz. Kind of gross. However the real problem is how the cats and dogs end up in the shelters in the first place. To those who work in shelters, I salute you!

They were wrong, or the shelter wasn't using carbon monoxide as they had reported earlier.   The whole reason we have to wear patches when there is risk of exposure is because there is no irritation, you think you're breathing air, and because you're getting plenty of oxygen still you don't get any feeling of shortness of breath like at altitude, you just feel drowsy and pass out.   Its a bit morbid, but I can link to sites that explain why carbon monoxide is one of the most recommended ways to commit non-violent suicide for those w/ terminal illness, as its readily available (gas ovens/ car in garage) and considered the most painless and foolproof method.   

 

You are definitely right, we should do our best to prevent the euthanization of as many pets as possible, but laws against using carbon monoxide are completely misinformed IMO and is more an emotional response to war atrocities than scientific evaluation of options. 

Have you seen an animal suffering carbon monoxide poisoning?

 

While it may be pain free, it is not trauma free for the animal, often they fall to seizures long before they pass out.

 

Sorry, that's pretty inhumane.

No I haven't, but I'm sorry you're wrong it is trauma free, or the dosage was incorrectly low.   A very low dosage of lethal injection can also fail to work properly, which is a case of malpractice, not an argument against lethal injection. Please research "carbon monoxide suicide" before spreading misinformation, although of note that nitrogen is more recommended since it doesn't pose a risk to bystanders like carbon monoxide does.

Wow, I can't even believe he survived that. It must have affected his health. Poor thing!

The physiology of dogs and humans are about as alike as the physiology of a cat and a cow.

You cannot compare one to the other.

I can take Valium and it'll make me go take a nap, I can give Valium to a cat and it makes them hyper and uncoordinated.

 

 

 

ETA: I'll admit, if you took the time to explain to a dog (oh wait not possible) that he and about 10-20 others were about to be stuffed into a small aluminum box, that there was no reason to be frightened, then yeah, trauma free.

Look up a few videos on shelter kill boxes, and turn your sound up and tell me those animals are without fear and trauma.

Then you're talking about an implementation issue, not a carbon monoxide issue.   If that is the concern, address that directly, you don't address that by making one of the most painless methods illegal.    Make a law that limits one at a time, minimum size, and you can require it be made of a sealed see through material (like acrylic) not dissimilar to those used at shelters to view animals.    Definitely I can understand that a stranger putting Wesley in a dark box with a bunch of other unfamiliar cats would be frightening obviously.   But administered humanely, CO or nitrogen gassing can certainly be the most peaceful way to go.

 

Carbon monoxide is carbon monoxide though.    It does not attempt to alter brain chemistry, so your analogy is poor, as it binds to hemoglobin and will work the same.

I was about to ask if it was painless (a little oblivious). I can see why people don't like it, but if all they do is pass out before they feel anything I don't see the problem either (I do agree they should just do it one at a time so the dog/cat doesn't have to be so scared). I was very misinformed and although I would still prefer the injection, I now don't feel AS bad about it.

 

Symptoms of CO poisoning in dogs includes, but is not limited to

Sleepiness, labored breathing, lethargy, seizures, deafness, loss of eqilibrium, abortion, depression, coma and death.

 

Now then, to put any animal (especially considering the whole thing is confusing to them) into a box with others, and gassing them is wrong.

Consider this dog that survived (and there have been others) they cannot have walked away from this completely unscathed.

There are bound to be lasting health problems.

Even the small possibility that an animal can live through it should be enough to end this practice as it is barbaric.

 

You're confused, as you are reading mainly symptoms of those that survive limited CO poisoning, which is no surprise that it causes organ damage.      Lethal dosage of CO includes sleepiness, unconsciousness, and death which is the way I'd prefer to go if given a choice.    Unfortunately, yes, this was clearly a botched job and this dog will suffer health issues which is atrocious, so don't get me wrong I'm not saying this wasn't barbaric or that some implementations are inhumane, I'm just arguing that its foolish to ban the humane use of gas in euthanization as a whole.