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post #1 of 28
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So the title pretty much says it all. In the past I had a siamese cat for 17 years, he never had an issue with liners and every time I went to clean the actual box out I just watered it down with the garden hose as it didn't smell or anything and seemed good enough like that... 

 

With my new cat, she is 7 months old and I've had her since August 30th. So far she had been really good with her litter box, and she's still good with using her little box... Only today I saw her scratching at the side of the litter liner not only tearing that side to pieces but also eating the liner after that... I knew that wouldn't do... First I called a vet that's open today to get advice - I wanted to make sure she'd be okay after eating the plastic. For now I've just been told to watch her. Then I called petco - to see if there was anything in the liner that could be bad for her chemically. We couldn't find anything so hopefully not... 

 

Now the reason why I'm posting this. I've decided to take the liners out all together and just use her litter box and litter, the box is very smooth so it should be fine on her paws and hopefully not having the lining in there won't make her have accidents or anything. 

 

What I want to know is what's the best way to clean her litter box? It's one of those big ones that have a hood over it... I no longer live in a house, I live in an apartment so a garden hose is not easily accessible. So the vet person said just to use my bathtub and then I'd just have to clean my bathtub more often. Then she said to use bleach on the actual litter box... I thought that bleach would be a bit of a strong smell for a cats nose - although it would certainly kill germs... 

 

Then I called my grandma and she said baking soda... well that might be good for masking the smell but I'm not sure if it's the best for cleaning the box...

 

I have clumping litter and usually scoop it daily, if I can't get to it one day for some reason I always get to it the next. 

 

Just curious if there's an easy way to clean it out? With being very clean as well...

 

The litter liners were so nice (sighs), even with all of her claws she'd only get a few holes in there and when I went to change the bag I only had to put a plastic bag under it and then just throw it away in the dumpster outside... But with her pica problems I don't want to chance it... 

 

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post #2 of 28
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Originally Posted by Brandy-Neka View Post

So the title pretty much says it all. In the past I had a siamese cat for 17 years, he never had an issue with liners and every time I went to clean the actual box out I just watered it down with the garden hose as it didn't smell or anything and seemed good enough like that... 

 

That is a normal domestic cat, your dear Savannah is not laughing02.gif, and neither is mine.

 

With my new cat, she is 7 months old and I've had her since August 30th. So far she had been really good with her litter box, and she's still good with using her little box... Only today I saw her scratching at the side of the litter liner not only tearing that side to pieces but also eating the liner after that... I knew that wouldn't do... First I called a vet that's open today to get advice - I wanted to make sure she'd be okay after eating the plastic. For now I've just been told to watch her. Then I called petco - to see if there was anything in the liner that could be bad for her chemically. We couldn't find anything so hopefully not... 

 

This is an example of PICA ISSUES, which is very common in the breed paranoid.gif.

 

Now the reason why I'm posting this. I've decided to take the liners out all together and just use her litter box and litter, the box is very smooth so it should be fine on her paws and hopefully not having the lining in there won't make her have accidents or anything. 

 

That is a very good idea. I should probably have mentioned, that litter box liners and Savannahs seem to be a no no smash.gif. At least in my humble experience. If the litter box liners where unscented and smooth, all should go well. If they where scented and had a different texture you might have a problem.

 

What I want to know is what's the best way to clean her litter box? It's one of those big ones that have a hood over it... I no longer live in a house, I live in an apartment so a garden hose is not easily accessible. So the vet person said just to use my bathtub and then I'd just have to clean my bathtub more often. Then she said to use bleach on the actual litter box... I thought that bleach would be a bit of a strong smell for a cats nose - although it would certainly kill germs... 

 

I have never used bleach, so I am not sure what to say. But I can tell you this, NEVER EVER use anything with amonia in it. It can cause the cat to spray. I just use Fresh Step Pet Wipes (http://www.freshstep.com/products.php#).

 

Then I called my grandma and she said baking soda... well that might be good for masking the smell but I'm not sure if it's the best for cleaning the box...

 

That might work, not sure.

 

I have clumping litter and usually scoop it daily, if I can't get to it one day for some reason I always get to it the next. 

 

Just my 2cents.gif, NEVER EVER USE CLUMPING LITTER WITH THIS BREED OF CAT!

 

Just curious if there's an easy way to clean it out? With being very clean as well...

 

The litter liners were so nice (sighs), even with all of her claws she'd only get a few holes in there and when I went to change the bag I only had to put a plastic bag under it and then just throw it away in the dumpster outside... But with her pica problems I don't want to chance it... 

 

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The breed has the PICA problem, not just your cat. I sure hope the breeder explained that.

 

Please note, my answers are in bold face type.
 

 

post #3 of 28
I use Dawn dish washing detergent to wash all my cats' things.

Clumping clay litter can be dangerous for kittens, if that is what you are using. Especially with a kitten inclined to eat things she shouldn't. It expands 10 times or more it's dry volume when wet, and can cause blockages.
post #4 of 28
I have two sets of litter boxes, so while one set is in use, the other set is being washed and aired.

Boxes are dumped and scrubbed once a week, in the bath tub. Rinsed in hot water first to remove all litter particles. (rinsed and dumped into a bucket. The bucket is then dumped outside, so litter particles are not being washed down the drain)

The boxes are then set to soak over night with a bleach/laundry soap/hot water solution (I use laundry soap because it is safe to use with bleach, some cleaners, such as most dish soaps, are not)

The next morning they are scrubbed and rinsed..first with hot water, then cold water to remove soap residue, then with white vinegar to remove any lingering odors or soap residue, then a final cold water rinse.

Air dried.

I cover the bottoms of the boxes with baking soda after they have air dried. They sit with the baking soda until it is time to use them. Then I dump the baking soda out. I don't add baking soda to the litter boxes, I don't like the idea of them breathing the baking soda dust
post #5 of 28
I scrub the boxes in the bathtub with dish soap and an old sponge, rinse, then pour enough white vinegar to cover the bottom and let it sit for 10 minutes, then a quick swish with the dish soap sponge again and rinse well. You probably don't have to do the vinegar thing every time, but since I'm cleaning so many boxes at once it works for me. You can also use properly diluted bleach mixture for the soak, but it's not actually a cleaner (just a disinfectant) so the box should be cleaned somehow before bleaching.
post #6 of 28
Thread Starter 

Uh she's 7 months old and I've never seen her eat her litter... this is the kind of litter I use:

 

Litter

 

I got that kind because it helps with odor AND it's supposed to be almost entirely dust free... I only have 1 cat, so it might be overboard but at times her poo is stinky... It's also supposed to stop the growth o bacteria in the litter... it says 99.7 percent dust free... She's never eaten her litter... I don't want to change litters types... 

post #7 of 28

Two items I would not be without in my litter box "toolkit":

 

1.  Smart Scoop No-Stick Litter Box Spray.  With a clean litter pan, I spray the bottom and sides, as well as the litter pan cleaning tools.  Let dry then add the litter.  It helps to keep things from sticking, should they make it through the litter to the bottom...or on the sides.

 

2.  A metal paint scraper with the wide blade.  This is the best tool for helping to really get the box clean.  First I use the blade around the sides, much like one would do to loosen a cake in the pan.  Then I scrape along the bottom...it really gets everything away from the bottom and sides, making it easier to scoop up.  I do use clumping litter, so that is what my experience is based on.

 

Also, I'm a firm believer in scooping the litter pan twice a day.  The way I look at it...I'd hate to find that my own toilet was only flushed once a day...so I won't ask any less of my cat.  In fact, if I know that she has gone in and had a BM, I head in, make sure it's covered and go on and scoop it out. 

 

Anyway...that's what I do! 

 

wavey.gif  Until next time...Annie

 

post #8 of 28

We use plain Dawn dish soap to clean the boxes.  I use an old wash cloth to clean them.  I also have 2 sets of boxes so that I can have a set to use while one set is being cleaned.  We replace the boxes about once a year since the plastic ones can scratch and hold in odors.  I also believe in scooping twice daily to help control odors.  We use World's Best Cat Litter and love it!

post #9 of 28

I use a generic bleach cleaner and scrub brush... but in a bathtub?  I'd never get it clean enough to take a bath in there again.  To me that'd be like taking a sip out of a toilet, no matter how much you scrub... it wouldn't be enough mentally for me.  If the concern is you'd have to wash it constantly, I don't and have never had an issue.   Its a litterbox, they poo and pee in there regularly, so even if you got it spick and span, its going to be dirty the first time they use it anyway, and its not like they don't lick their own butts, heh.  We usually go about two months before I wash it which is when they get completely fresh litter (in between its cycled w/ new stuff gradually as its used up and topped off), but I do wipe off any mess if there is one with a wetwipe (rare).     Cats are less than two years old, but no issues to date.  *knock on wood*

 

We use Swheat Scoop Multicat litter in quasi-automatic Omega Paw rolling litterboxes (four of them for two cats) and when putting fresh litter in I spray the box lightly w/ PAM vegetable oil anti-stick spray to ensure there aren't any pee clumps that stick to the bottom.   I don't like to scoop too often not just out of laziness, but the pee/poo clumps harden in the litter if allowed to sit a while which keeps the box clean when I roll it. 

 

We don't use liners either, Wesley would tear it to shreds as he sometimes likes to dig to China and besides he likes licking plastic too.

post #10 of 28
I don't drink out of my toilet OR my bathtub laughing02.gif

I think those rolling boxes are a terrible invention. I can only imagine how much they must stink inside, being coated from top to bottom with pee and poop day after day. Ick.
post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by otto View Post

I have two sets of litter boxes, so while one set is in use, the other set is being washed and aired.
Boxes are dumped and scrubbed once a week, in the bath tub. Rinsed in hot water first to remove all litter particles. (rinsed and dumped into a bucket. The bucket is then dumped outside, so litter particles are not being washed down the drain)
The boxes are then set to soak over night with a bleach/laundry soap/hot water solution (I use laundry soap because it is safe to use with bleach, some cleaners, such as most dish soaps, are not)
The next morning they are scrubbed and rinsed..first with hot water, then cold water to remove soap residue, then with white vinegar to remove any lingering odors or soap residue, then a final cold water rinse.
Air dried.
I cover the bottoms of the boxes with baking soda after they have air dried. They sit with the baking soda until it is time to use them. Then I dump the baking soda out. I don't add baking soda to the litter boxes, I don't like the idea of them breathing the baking soda dust

 

I use Jonny Cat Scooping Cat Litter. I scoop morning and night, and once more in the day if I'm home.

 

I do similar to what Otto does. Only I soak the boxes over night in the tub with hot water and "Mr. Clean" or "Javex" (never mixed together). Then I run the toilet brush over them and rinse a few times with hot water and then turn the boxes upside down to dry. Then into the utility closet they go until the next litter change.
 

 

post #12 of 28
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Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post

I use a generic bleach cleaner and scrub brush... but in a bathtub?  I'd never get it clean enough to take a bath in there again.  To me that'd be like taking a sip out of a toilet, no matter how much you scrub... it wouldn't be enough mentally for me.

 

When you live in an apartment, where do you suggest that the box be cleaned? Your choices are: Bath tub, bathroom sink, toilet or kitchen sink.

 

post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post

 

When you live in an apartment, where do you suggest that the box be cleaned? Your choices are: Bath tub, bathroom sink, toilet or kitchen sink.

 


Every apartment I've been to had water somewhere outside.   Just flop it in the trunk and wash it when you wash your car. smile.gif

(Unless you use those scratch-o-matic drive through ones!  Worst invention everrrrr, heh.   *cringe*)

 

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Originally Posted by Otto
 
I think those rolling boxes are a terrible invention. I can only imagine how much they must stink inside, being coated from top to bottom with pee and poop day after day. Ick.

 

Yup, they are definitely unpopular and poorly reviewed for that reason.   Oh wait, no they aren't.  bigwink.gif

 

http://www.amazon.com/Omega-Paw-Self-Cleaning-Litter-Large/dp/B000LVGL1A/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1321887280&sr=8-2

 

#1 Selling litterbox on Amazon.com with 4.5 out of 5* review, with the poor reviews complaining about plastic tabs breaking, not about "stink".     And if your cat is somehow getting urine and feces on the top of the device, you really really need to bring them to the vet.    Most cats pee in the litter, which creates solid hard clumps, and they poo there as well which harden from the moisture absorption of the litter unless your kitty is suffering from persistent loose stools which would be a real medical concern.   

post #14 of 28
When you roll the box, the pee and poop goes all over the box. That is what I meant by pee and poop all over the box.

I'm sure the box is popular, many people are lazy and don't like to be bothered with cleaning litter boxes, and don't care if their cats have to smell horrid odors when they use the box.

For myself and my cats, I prefer cleanliness rather than convenience.

There are many many apartments with no "water outside". Including mine. In fact, I have never lived in an apartment that had an outside water source.
Edited by otto - 11/21/11 at 7:32am
post #15 of 28

I wash my litter boxes in the bathtub.  We have one of those detachable shower heads that makes it easy to rinse.  Seeing as how I don't drink out of my bathtub (and if I used it to hold water if our water was off, I'd boil it first) I have no problems using the tub or shower after I've cleaned the boxes.  I usually clean boxes and then clean the bathtub when I'm finished.  Since there's no measurable amount of litter, pee, or poop in my shower, it's no worse than washing dirty dishes in the sink.

post #16 of 28
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I wash my litter boxes in the bathtub.  We have one of those detachable shower heads that makes it easy to rinse.  Seeing as how I don't drink out of my bathtub (and if I used it to hold water if our water was off, I'd boil it first) I have no problems using the tub or shower after I've cleaned the boxes.  I usually clean boxes and then clean the bathtub when I'm finished.  Since there's no measurable amount of litter, pee, or poop in my shower, it's no worse than washing dirty dishes in the sink.

Same here...
plus, I have 2 littler boxes...
before I clean the dirty one, I fill the clean box with fresh litter so that they always have litter available.

I use clorox type wipes (never pine) rinse the box thoroughly...
dry somewhat with paper towels, then let it air dry completely, set is aside until the next change cycle. biggthumpup.gif
post #17 of 28
I use Dawn Dishwasing soap first and give the boxes a good scrub. Then in goes some bleach mixed with water and scrub some more. Then I rinse and rinse. Add the white vinegar and let sit for ten minutes. Rinse again and wipe dry. I have two set's of litter boxes as well. I like the suggestion of leaving baking soda sit in the bottom of the clean boxes till their next use. biggthumpup.gif I have a pretty large Utility sink that I wash the boxes in. I would never use or have never used the liners. They would get torn to shreds.
post #18 of 28
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I use Dawn Dishwasing soap first and give the boxes a good scrub. Then in goes some bleach mixed with water and scrub some more. Then I rinse and rinse. Add the white vinegar and let sit for ten minutes. Rinse again and wipe dry.
I am going to try your cleaning technique....
it seems less toxic than using the clorox wipes. agree.gif
post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by otto View Post

When you roll the box, the pee and poop goes all over the box. That is what I meant by pee and poop all over the box.

 

I know what you said, I'm saying your guess is wrong.   As an actual long-term owner, no pee or poop goes all over the box.  I've corrected you on that statement before.  If it did, it would surely show up at least once in the near hundred reviews from actual owners of the box.   That WOULD happen if the cat doesn't pee/poo in the actual litter (which coats it and absorbs moisture) or had very loose stools, but that is a medical problem not a litterbox one IMO.  That is what I meant.  smile.gif

 

There is a similar, and looks like it may possibly be even better, sifting box though that doesn't have a lid.   Downside of course is that with an enclosed design you don't have to worry about spastic diggers making a mess and what not, but great for those cats that won't use them:

http://www.littersystem.com/

 

Looks promising!

post #20 of 28
I read about 10 of the reviews and there were several mentions about odor, but not enough to deter the people writing the review from using them.

No matter if the pee and poop is litter covered or not, the entire inside of those boxes is covered in odor causing bacteria from the very first "roll". Not to mention litter dust. There is no avoiding it. Cats have much stronger olfactory senses than humans. It's disgusting in my opinion, and I would never subject a cat to such filth.laughing02.gif
post #21 of 28
PS That Quick Sift doesn't look too bad! At least the cats don't have to sit in a 'tomb of filth' laughing02.gif Looks kind of small.

Hard to dump and scrub though. And that's one of my beefs with these kinds of systems. People don't wash these boxes often enough, in my opinion. But, I like things clean, and so do my cats. Shrug.
post #22 of 28

I envy you cat owners who can use the plastic liners. Mine get (or used to) get scratched to bits.  I gave up on that idea.

 

I envy you cat owners who have an outside water source.  It would be so nice just to go out in the back yard and turn the hose on it.

 

I have to do the tub thing. I dump the litter and try my best, with paper towels to get all the granules out as to not clog the pluming.  Then I wash in the tub, but dump the water down the toilet, And inevitably I spill it all over the bathroom floor.doh3.gif

 

I like the idea about the paint scraper to free the clumps that get stuck to the walls of the box. My scooper is defective, it likes to brake the clumps.

post #23 of 28

zwaai.gifIf you're using clumping litter - try the ClumperDumper. I really mean it - it's the fastest, easiest way to clean litter and it GETS it clean. My one cat, an older male tabby, had "issues" because the scoop always left a few pebble sized clumps and he "objected". But this thing (clumperdumper) gets it really clean and I also think it keeps more litter in because I'm not digging around and throwing litter out the side of the box by mistake. And I just think litter these days is so expensive so I've noticed I'm using it longer. Any way good luck and don't use bleach.

post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post


Every apartment I've been to had water somewhere outside.   Just flop it in the trunk and wash it when you wash your car. smile.gif

(Unless you use those scratch-o-matic drive through ones!  Worst invention everrrrr, heh.   *cringe*)

 


Not all apartment buildings keep the water to the outside turned on. My apartment for example doesn't.  And not everyone owns a car or drives. Me for example.

 

 

 

post #25 of 28

I do my litter box washing outside because it's easiest.  I live in a townhouse with a water spigot on the patio, but I like to wash with hot water so I carry my water out in gallon milk jugs.  I dump litter, wash and refill outside because I don't want the litter and dust everywhere.  I have 4 cats using 2 litter boxes with regular litter, so I change the boxes about 2x a week.  I've had my cats less than a year so I don't know what I'll do when it gets cold, maybe use the bathtub if necessary or wait for a mild day to do it outside.

 

Maybe this would work for you?  Surely there is an "off the beaten path" area around your building where no one would object if you spent 5 minutes washing and rinsing your boxes?  :) 

post #26 of 28
I use clumping litter, piled deep, and scoop at least twice a day. The boxes are steam-cleaned, wiped with an old washcloth, steamed again and allowed to air dry. No chemicals, no mess, no smell.
post #27 of 28
My house has a utility sink in the basement that I use to clean the litter pans. But for much of my life I lived in apartments with no outside water. I used the bathtub and washed it (scrubbed it) well afterwards. Besides I've mostly always lived in a climate where there is no water access outside during winter due to below freezing temperatures.

I'm wondering about all you who write about clumps sticking so hard to the sides and bottom of the pans that you have to use scrapers to get them off. You must be using hard clumping clay litter (all or part sodium bentonite*). For many reasons, this being one, I finally gave up that stuff a couple of years ago. I use a corn crumble litter, similar to World's Best Cat Litter, and there is no such problem. None sticks hard to the plastic storage bins I use for litter pans. All the litter easily goes in the garbage bag before the pans are washed. After a year of using these storage bins, and using only Dawn or Mr. Clean to wash them, they are not holding oders at all. And they only cost $6 or $7. I think they are great.

Last night I saw a commercial for the sifting cat liners. I just have to laugh. Such junk! As was all the "and that's not all" stuff that came with. There is a lot of stuff on the market for cats that just doesn't work well, or at all, or isn't actually a good idea.

Robin

*You may want to do a search regarding possible health problems associated with clumping clay cat litter.
post #28 of 28
I keep forgetting to mention this: Scoops can carry odor too. Like the two sets of litter boxes, I have several scoops. I keep a little container with baking soda in it and stick the scoop in the baking soda (the level is high enough to hold the scoop upright). Each week when I dump and scrub the boxes, I dump and scrub the scoop and baking soda container, too. If the scoop gets really yucky at any time during the week, I wash it right away, and use one of the extras. smile.gif
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