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post #1 of 53
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Hi all;

My 13 year old cat was diagnosed with kidney failure a month ago. He had x-rays, blood and urine testing done and I also found out he is anemic. I was prescribed Clavamox for the anemia and also Epakitin for his kidney function - one scoop daily in his food, twice per day (for the rest of his life). Well, the very first day on Clavamox he vomitted and had diahhrea and also lost interest in food greatly. He went 10 days like this; vomitting, diahhrea and no appetite. He was losing weight rapidly.

 

I took him in for his second vet visit (this time with a different vet, tho same clinic) and I was then told he should have been put on fluids the first time around so I then started the fluids at home and was prescribed even more Clavamox. He was on Clavamox for another 10 days and the same horrible side effects continued. Eventually he finished both dosages and immediately after he had his appetite back, and then some. No more vomitting but still diahhrea DAILY and it has a been a while since he's been off the Clavamox. Has anybody else experienced the same side effects? It's been over one month so I figured the diahhrea would have gone away by now; I can't see how healthy that can be for him, plus it's no fun when he constantly tracks it through the house and all in my bed. ohwell.gif
 

Anyway, on the 3rd visit to the vet, I got more bloodwork done and it looks like the fluids and Epikitin got his kidney and phosphorus levels up :) He has shown significant improvement!! jive.gif I was told the diahhrea is from his kidneys failing but I really don't think it is. He didn't have any diahhrea until the first dose of Clavamox. I got his anal glands done and he also also de-wormed. I was then prescribed Metronidazole to get rid of his diahhrea but it is definitely NOT working - he is is almost finished the dosage and no improvement whatsoever. I was also told that I don't need to give him Epakitin anymore since the phosphorus levels look good, but the other vet initially told me I will have to give it to him everyday for the rest of his life. Anyone know anything in regards to this?

Two other issues are... My cat has a heart murmur - this I found out last late December. I was giving my cat 200 mls of fluids everyday until his 2nd blood panel was done. Now, since his levels have improved, I am told to give 150 ml every 2nd day. Is this a lot to be giving a cat with a murmur?

The other issue is I also just found out on the 2nd vet visit, that he also has Periodontal disease. He has two rotting upper teeth on one side of his mouth. I am assuming this is what caused the heart murmur/kidney failure. I recently went out of town for one night and came back to find one of the rotten teeth has basically broke off - is this a cause for concern? I know he will need the rotten teeth extracted and his other teeth cleaned once he's in a bit better shape but I'm worried about leaving it too long (as I already obviously have)?? He still eats alot, but he does need more coaxing, so I spoon feed him his food and he eats quite a bit this way.

Sorry this is so long.... This is just so overwhelming to me as this lil guy is my heart and I keep getting conflicting stories from different vets. Just hoping to connect with anyone who has any similarities of what they have gone/going through or anyone who has any words of advice. 

THANK YOU if you have read this far - lol!!
 


Edited by lovemykittehs - 11/9/11 at 3:22pm
post #2 of 53

I am unsure why the vet would prescribe clavamox for anemia.

Clav is an antibiotic and does cause diarhea.

 

He is off the antibiotic now, add a probiotic to his meals, or see if you can get him to eat a tablespoon or two of plain, unflavored yogurt twice a day.

 

Antibiotics kill good and band bacteria in his system, the probiotic will help restore the balance.

post #3 of 53
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He does eat yogourt almost daily, already. He loves it.... so yogourt obviously isn't helping....

 

Oh and I think I may have had that wrong w/ the clavamox for anemia - the blood panel showed he had an infection in his blood - which I'm assuming is from the bacterial from the rotten teeth... I had originally brought him in because he had blood in his urine.

post #4 of 53

He is a senior, and balance upsets can take a while to get straightened out.

 

My oldest has CRF, she doesn't have diarrhea due to her CRF, however, occasionally when something upsets her system and she does get diarreah, it takes a while longer for her to straighten out than it does for my two younger, healthy cats.

post #5 of 53
You certainly DO love your kitty so much heartpump.gif I don't have much experience with CRF, just want to pass along my vibes and well wishes to your cat. He sure has been through a lot and you too hugs.gifhugs.gifhugs.gif I am glad he is feeling better and hope it keeps up vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif
post #6 of 53
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Thank you! happy.gif

post #7 of 53
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Originally Posted by lovemykittehs View Post

He still eats alot, but he does need more coaxing, so I spoon feed him his food and he eats quite a bit this way.


 



What is your kitty eating now? Was this the same thing he was eating before the CRF diagnosis?

post #8 of 53
My cat got Clavamox 13 months ago for an UTI..... got horrible diarrhea from it..... while he got somewhat better - after a LOT of treatments - so many treatments that actually affected hi liver, his digestive tract never wen back to normal. He still has soft poop. Not diarrhea, as he only poops once..... but still gelly like. And again - we are talking 13 months here..... and he is only 4.

P.S. - take care of that tooth - having those disease pieces broken inside of his bone is absolutely not a good thing..... Whenever giving him antibiotics (like for the dental, for example), get injections as oppose of pills - it is much easier on their bodies..... easy to give at home too, don't worry.....
Make sure to do a full blood test prior to the dental and TELL the dentist about the murmur - get an IV for emergencies. If you have all these things in place, your kitty will be fine..... vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif
post #9 of 53
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What is your kitty eating now? Was this the same thing he was eating before the CRF diagnosis?



Well I had him eating Costco's Western Family brand dry cat food for years, until I read about the harmful effects of dry food, as opposed to wet... So I started feeding him wet every day and since then he will not even look at the Costco brand anymore.  I was however feeding him a horrible brand of wet food (Friskies and Fancy Feast), and did so for just under a year, now I have switched to Wellness and Petsmart's Simply Nourish (both dry) and completely wet it for him. But I also now leave out some dry of it for him as well.

 

post #10 of 53
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My cat got Clavamox 13 months ago for an UTI..... got horrible diarrhea from it..... while he got somewhat better - after a LOT of treatments - so many treatments that actually affected hi liver, his digestive tract never wen back to normal. He still has soft poop. Not diarrhea, as he only poops once..... but still gelly like. And again - we are talking 13 months here..... and he is only 4.
P.S. - take care of that tooth - having those disease pieces broken inside of his bone is absolutely not a good thing..... Whenever giving him antibiotics (like for the dental, for example), get injections as oppose of pills - it is much easier on their bodies..... easy to give at home too, don't worry.....
Make sure to do a full blood test prior to the dental and TELL the dentist about the murmur - get an IV for emergencies. If you have all these things in place, your kitty will be fine..... vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif



What do you mean "treatments"? and also, "get an IV for emergencies"?

 

Thank you for the words of advice, it is appreciated.. :)

 

 

Does anyone have a rough figure of how much it will cost to extract two teeth and have a dental cleaning done? I'm assuming it is pretty costly :/

 

post #11 of 53
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What is your kitty eating now? Was this the same thing he was eating before the CRF diagnosis?


Sorry, I forgot to say he was eating the wet food before the diagnosis and now I have switched him to a much better brand (wellness and simply nourish).
 

 

post #12 of 53
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Well I had him eating Costco's Western Family brand dry cat food for years, until I read about the harmful effects of dry food, as opposed to wet... So I started feeding him wet every day and since then he will not even look at the Costco brand anymore.  I was however feeding him a horrible brand of wet food (Friskies and Fancy Feast), and did so for just under a year, now I have switched to Wellness and Petsmart's Simply Nourish (both dry) and completely wet it for him. But I also now leave out some dry of it for him as well.

Hum..... IMHO.... if I had to choose for a kidney disease cat, I would go with a 100% wet - even if Friskies and fancy feast. No dry at all...... over what you are doing...... There is a list here somewhere a think, of low calcium/magnesium FF and Friskies, or FF only, but if I am not mistaken, there is a list here on TCS of the best ones.

Dry food is not meant to be fed wet - that might be the problem with the diarrhea. It is infested with bacteria.... what happens is that when you add water, these harmful bacteria quickly multiply and become dangerous for the kitty. Since your kitty is already lacking good bacteria from his intestinal tract (due to the antibiotics), his system can have twice as much trouble to fight these bad bacteria from the food.
If you moisten the food, you need to make sure the kitty eats it within 30 minutes and take it away. Otherwise you are setting yourself to trouble.... wavey.gif
post #13 of 53
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What do you mean "treatments"? For his diarrhea - first trying to figure out why.... I mean, months long of diarrhea... you can't just leave it be..... Several different types of antibiotics.... Steroids..... You name it, he had it. All combos you can find of antibiotics and drugs that could opssibly help with diarrhea (some antibiotics, like metronidazole (but there are others too Metro is only one), do have an anti-inflammatory effect on the gut.... After months of this, his liver suffered. So we dropped all; Bugsy was days from going into a massive exploratory surgery when I decided in going with a completely natural approach - so far it is what has helped him the most. It has not solved the problem completely..... But he is doing good. Not perfect, not 100%.... but not losing weight, not pooping all the time..... Just pooping soft poop.... once a day - I can live with that. He takes 2 different probiotics Align (the human one wink.gif ) and Proviable-DC, a natural diarrhea supplement, and fiber...... All, of course approved by his vet. We do test his liver from time to time, since this scare, as he does take one drug, for his stomatitis, but that has never affected him, and it has been showing on his tests to not affect him at all...... so...... so far so good! cross.gif and also, "get an IV for emergencies"? It is advisable to place any cat on IV fluids during and after any dental procedures in order to avoid falls in blood pressure during the procedure. These falls in blood pressure can reduce blood flow to the kidneys, which may lead to the kidneys failing a few days later. In addition, CRF cats should be placed on IV fluids before any dental procedures, as well as during and after them. This is optional, and you will have to ask for it - but it is highly recommended, and specially in your case, it will make the surgery that much safer. I have never, and will never do a dental on a kitty of mine without an IV and blood test (both optional, and both potentially life-saving).

Thank you for the words of advice, it is appreciated.. smile.gif


Does anyone have a rough figure of how much it will cost to extract two teeth and have a dental cleaning done? I'm assuming it is pretty costly :/ Not necessarily too costly, but it highly depends of the area you live.... The last surgery Bugsy had, I think he had 4 extractions? They were big teeth, and complicated surgeries too - molars and pre-molars. Due to periodontal disease, his roots melted inside the bone - so they had to open the bone to shave it off (which I think it is your case) - the tooth was also abscessed - for the 4 teeth, blood test, x-rays, IV, 10 days of antibiotics (injection), and follow up visit, I think I paid $700. I do go to a dentist - I do not do any dental procedure on a vet - Bugsy has Stomatitis, so he does see a dentist..... I work with 3 vets and an Emergency vet laughing02.gif - One of them is a dentist. Dentist is not at all more expensive IMHO - but for sure I do feel it is money better spent, as they are specialists agree.gif
post #14 of 53
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Hum..... IMHO.... if I had to choose for a kidney disease cat, I would go with a 100% wet - even if Friskies and fancy feast. No dry at all...... over what you are doing...... There is a list here somewhere a think, of low calcium/magnesium FF and Friskies, or FF only, but if I am not mistaken, there is a list here on TCS of the best ones.
Dry food is not meant to be fed wet - that might be the problem with the diarrhea. It is infested with bacteria.... what happens is that when you add water, these harmful bacteria quickly multiply and become dangerous for the kitty. Since your kitty is already lacking good bacteria from his intestinal tract (due to the antibiotics), his system can have twice as much trouble to fight these bad bacteria from the food.
If you moisten the food, you need to make sure the kitty eats it within 30 minutes and take it away. Otherwise you are setting yourself to trouble.... wavey.gif



Uh oh, really?! That sucks, cuz I've been leaving the moistened food in the fridge and I take a bit out at a time an add even more water to it when I serve it to him.  That is an ultimate no-no?? :( I was suggested I do this by a Royal Canin supplier at Petsmart, lol. I felt alot better about getting rid of the Friskies out of his diet and feeding him a better brand... silly me :(

 

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Thanks for the pointers!

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Uh oh, really?! That sucks, cuz I've been leaving the moistened food in the fridge and I take a bit out at a time an add even more water to it when I serve it to him.  That is an ultimate no-no?? frown.gif I was suggested I do this by a Royal Canin supplier at Petsmart, lol. I felt alot better about getting rid of the Friskies out of his diet and feeding him a better brand... silly me frown.gif

Definite dangerous no-no for sure wavey.gif I am sorry he did this to you..... Unfortunately he closed a sale at the expense of kitties health frown.gif Not good frown.gif
Yes, lots and lots of bacteria on dry food - moisture and dry food is not a good thing at all...... agree.gif
post #17 of 53
If the diarrhea was caused by antibiotics and this food bacteria, adding probiotics can help tremendously.
I am going to bed now as it is super late - but get a gel Called "Dia-Gel" for cats - comes in little syringes - if it is dues to antibiotics/bacteria imbalance, toxicicity, 2 doses (it is expensive, like $12 a pop) within 12 hours of one another might fix the problem entirely. This gel is FANTASTIC. (in Bugsy's case, it helps, but doesn't fix... His is a SERIOUS one)
Your vet can also order it for you - it is used a lot in vet clinics - it is not a drug, all natural, super safe, and super effective.... It is one of my emergency "must have" for all my kitties when they have diarrhea - I call it my magic super-plug laughing02.gifwavey.gif
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Definite dangerous no-no for sure wavey.gif I am sorry he did this to you..... Unfortunately he closed a sale at the expense of kitties health frown.gif Not good frown.gif
Yes, lots and lots of bacteria on dry food - moisture and dry food is not a good thing at all...... agree.gif



Well I feel like a dumbass now! I actually didn't end up buying Royal Canin - I went for the Wellness instead. :p

 

I just flushed a big bowl of moistened dry food that I had in the fridge down the toilet..waste of money but oh well...don't need him getting sicker than he already is.

 

Thank you very much for bringing this to my attention!! I also researched it and you are very right.

 

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If the diarrhea was caused by antibiotics and this food bacteria, adding probiotics can help tremendously.
I am going to bed now as it is super late - but get a gel Called "Dia-Gel" for cats - comes in little syringes - if it is dues to antibiotics/bacteria imbalance, toxicicity, 2 doses (it is expensive, like $12 a pop) within 12 hours of one another might fix the problem entirely. This gel is FANTASTIC. (in Bugsy's case, it helps, but doesn't fix... His is a SERIOUS one)
Your vet can also order it for you - it is used a lot in vet clinics - it is not a drug, all natural, super safe, and super effective.... It is one of my emergency "must have" for all my kitties when they have diarrhea - I call it my magic super-plug laughing02.gifwavey.gif


Thanks for the tip - I'll look int that :)
 

 

post #20 of 53
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I don't feel right feeding him an all wet diet though, as he lost quite a bit of weight while eating only canned... Now that he is eating some dry too, he has definitely got his weight back up.

post #21 of 53

It's important to keep a CRF kitty's weight up.  It's so hard for them to maintain their weight, though my Callie had no problems.  She loved her carbs, though, and seldom relished eating wet food!  LOL  Wet food is really best for your kitty, though.  You want your kitty at a healthy weight, not too round and not skin & bones.  I think the most important thing is for the kitty to eat, even if it's Fancy Feast or Friskies.  I know many folks on the Yahoo CRF group feed their kitties Fancy Feast.

 

 

post #22 of 53
It's the diarrhea draining away his weight and hydration. Get him on a probiotic, yogurt isn't enough. I recommend ProViable DC, it's done wonders for Queen Eva.

The initial weight loss when you switched to canned could have been from the kidney disease, and have nothing to do with canned food. Carbohydrates can make a healthy cat too fat, but they are not all that good for a sick cat. Sick cats need lots healthy proteins to gain weight.

Glad you have stopped feeding moistened wet food, especially left over! Feed warmed up canned food in small portions as often as possible.

Sometimes when cats don't feel good, too much food in the dish will cause them to turn away and not eat at all. Small portions, like a tablespoon at a time, warmed up either by adding a little warm water to it, or letting the dish sit in a dish of warm water for a few minutes, makes it even more appealing.

Hand (or spoon) feeding is good too, and helps you bond together.

Do not ever let your cat be put on clavamox again. There are other antibiotics available. None of my cats can tolerate clavamox.

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Do not ever let your cat be put on clavamox again. There are other antibiotics available. None of my cats can tolerate clavamox.
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yeah.gif Clavamox has joined my "Do NOT give list in all my kitties files - I will not give it, no matter what. I have a fear Bugsy will never be the same afer that very first pill frown.gif

As Otto said - get Proviable-DC - det it on AMAzon - you will get it for the best price...... the box comes with 80 pills, for about $37. It is the cheapest place you can get..... I believe you can get around the same at entirely pets.
Proviable-DC is bar none the Best Probiotic for animals, IMHO.

Good luck hun! vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif
post #24 of 53

First of all, I don't know why clavamox would be prescribed for anemia but if your cat has diarrhea and vomiting, ask your vet for another suitable antibiotic. I would also ask him why he prescribed an antibiotic. 

 

With CRF it is important, I think, to figure out what stage of kidney failure your cat is at. Usually, when it is diagnosed, a cat's kidneys have already lost 75 % of its function. So regular monitoring and proper treatment are of the utmost importance in ensuring that the remaining 25% function as best as it can.  I'm also interested in why your vet prescribed Epakitin so soon. Usually, a phosphorus binder is prescribed later in the disease - I can't recall exactly why but there are side effects to these phosphorus binders. There are others such as calcium carbonate or aluminum hydroxide, the latter of which is no longer used in humans.  Again, I can't recall (damn my age) why but at the clinic where I work, it is used more than Epakitin.  I think, from what I've read, there are pros and cons to both.  I have never given calcium carbonate to a cat with CRF so I am not aware of its effectiveness or side effects.

 

I cannot emphasize more than the other posters about the importance of feeding canned food. It provides the moisture your cat needs, it is more digestible (which is important for CRF kitties as sometimes their tummies don't feel so good), and is generally better for cats.  I know that a lot of people are dry feeders some for financial reasons and others just because they have always fed it and their cats are doing fine. However, with CRF, if you want your cat to live a quality life during the progression of this disease, then canned food is the key.  i feed my 4.5 kg CRF cat 1.5 cans a day (half a can three times a day - again, smaller meals more often will not overtax his digestive system and thus, his kidneys).  However, if financial reasons prohibit a full canned diet, then try to feed as much canned as possible. 

 

It used to be thought that CRF cats needed a reduced protein diet but current research has pointed to reduced phosphorus as being key to prolonging the life of a CRF cat. Your vet will tell you that studies have shown that the rx kidney diets have proved to prolong a CRF cat's life as compared to a regular maintenance diet. I am not doubting it but as these diets are not as palatable, your cat may not eat them. So if your catis like mine, you'll have to find foods that may appeal to him but with a relatively low phosphorus content (<0.5-0.1 %). I feed Natural Balance's limited ingredient foods (all flavours), Wellness Turkey and Chicken (not the best choice but one he will eat in the middle of the rotation), Holistic Selects (Chicken and Lamb, Duck and Chicken? & Salmon & Shrimp), the occasional Almo Nature (not good for CRF but when he refuses all other foods, this has to do), and the occasional Hills k/d, Medi-cal Reduced Protein, Medi-cal Mature, and Hills g/d.  Senior diets like the Mature and g/d can be fed to cats at the early stages of CRF.  My cat usually refuses them but he will eat them on the rare occasion.  I also give him 75 mls of subcutaneous fluids per day and the occasional famotidine (Pepcid AC) when his appetite wanes (meaning his tummy is not feeling well and thankfully, his appetite doesn't wane too often).

 

I don't know if your vet has a different approach to treating CRF - I am not saying what he is prescribing is wrong - who am I to say?  There are different approaches.  Some vets will prescribe Benazepril immediately after diagnosis.  This is typically given to cats with heart issues but it is thought to help prolong the life of cats with CRF.  however, studies have shown that this is true under certain conditions.  One is the urine-protein-creatinine ratio (UPC ratio) which is basically a measure of the protein in the urine. It is also a measure of the damage to the kidneys and blood pressure and something called secondary parathyroidism. I don't understand this enough to explain it but it has to do something with calcium, vitamin D and its progression results in bone density loss and other things.  Calcitriol is often prescribed either immediately or at a certain point of CRF - many approaches to this as well.  If the UPC ratio was >0.1, then CRF cats given benazepril had a longer survival time.  UPC ratios <0.1 did not show any significant difference between cats given benazepril and those not given benazepril.  At my clinic, (again, not saying this is the right and only way, just one approach) they prescribe benazepril when the UPC ratio is <0.4.  that is the dangerous level for cats (for dogs it's 0.5 and over).  So once the UPC ratio is >0.4, the cat is at risk.  So I would suggest having your cat's UPC ratio monitored regularly.  Some vets believe that benazepril can reduce the survival time of a CRF cat or at the very least, increase the clinical signs of CRF so these vets probably only prescribe it when the UPC >0.4.

 

Also, a urinalysis and a culture and sensitivity should be done regularly as well.  If the kidneys are filtering and concentrating urine properly, then the urinary tract is protected from infection. However, if the kidneys are not concentrating urine properly, then the urinary tract is not protected from infection.  Doing the urinalysis and culture will determine if there is an infection - they will also determine the urine's specific gravity which determines how the urine is concentrating.  Usually, it's low in CRF cats so the kidneys are basically retaining the toxins as opposed to excreting them into the urine.  Regular urinalyses and cultures will detect infection which can be treated so no further damage can be done to the urinary tract.

 

Usually, an xray and/or ultrasound is done to see the size of the kidneys (i.e. the amount of damage done - if they are smaller than normal, that means damage has been done) and the texture of the kidneys. 

 

Regular bloodwork, urinalysis cultures and UPC ratios to monitor your cat's CRF are usually done every three months, longer if his values are stable. My cat's values are now stable and have actually reduced somewhat (knock on wood). 

 

There are many supplements out there that purport to support the kidneys.  A popular one is Azodyl.  it is a probiotic which purports to reduce the BUN (blood urea nitrogen) and creatinine going through the kidneys.  As these are both markers on the bloodwork on which vets base the progression of CRF, this on the surface sounds like a good idea.  However, BUN and creatinine are not the only factors that are involved in kidney disease so you may be given false hope.  I used to give it to my cat but stopped it as I didn't want to give a huge pill for nothing.  I have read and spoke to many vets about Azodyl and all of them said that it doesn't make much of a difference.  Just giving that example to be aware.  As CRF progresses, you will have to give more meds so why stress your cat out for nothing?

 

I know this is a lot to digest and I'm sorry if I have confused and overwhelmed you. That is not my intent.  My intent was to further inform you so that you can make sure your cat gets the best care you can give him.  The more knowledge you have, the better your cat will be.  IMHO, I would get a second opinion.  I'm sorry about your cat's diagnosis, but she can live a quality life if treated properly and conscientiously.  Vibes to you and your cat...

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My cat got Clavamox 13 months ago for an UTI..... got horrible diarrhea from it..... while he got somewhat better - after a LOT of treatments - so many treatments that actually affected hi liver, his digestive tract never wen back to normal. He still has soft poop. Not diarrhea, as he only poops once..... but still gelly like. And again - we are talking 13 months here..... and he is only 4.
P.S. - take care of that tooth - having those disease pieces broken inside of his bone is absolutely not a good thing..... Whenever giving him antibiotics (like for the dental, for example), get injections as oppose of pills - it is much easier on their bodies..... easy to give at home too, don't worry.....
Make sure to do a full blood test prior to the dental and TELL the dentist about the murmur - get an IV for emergencies. If you have all these things in place, your kitty will be fine..... vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif



Is this common?? Clavamox is really that harmful to cats?? I'm mad that the vet even prescribed this in the first place... It's been about 1.5 months of straight diarrhea now and the Metronidazole that was prescribed has done nothing... he just finished his last dose this morning. There has been no improvement. I really hope this isn't permanent all because of a drug that didn't even help him to begin with :(

 

post #26 of 53
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It's the diarrhea draining away his weight and hydration. Get him on a probiotic, yogurt isn't enough. I recommend ProViable DC, it's done wonders for Queen Eva.
The initial weight loss when you switched to canned could have been from the kidney disease, and have nothing to do with canned food. Carbohydrates can make a healthy cat too fat, but they are not all that good for a sick cat. Sick cats need lots healthy proteins to gain weight.
Glad you have stopped feeding moistened wet food, especially left over! Feed warmed up canned food in small portions as often as possible.
Sometimes when cats don't feel good, too much food in the dish will cause them to turn away and not eat at all. Small portions, like a tablespoon at a time, warmed up either by adding a little warm water to it, or letting the dish sit in a dish of warm water for a few minutes, makes it even more appealing.
Hand (or spoon) feeding is good too, and helps you bond together.
Do not ever let your cat be put on clavamox again. There are other antibiotics available. None of my cats can tolerate clavamox.
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Thank you :)  He actually has a very healthy appetite.  It's just hard for him to eat now because of the rotting teeth on one side...

 

post #27 of 53
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@ sweetpea24;

 

I did correct myself on that - clavamox was not prescribed for the anemia, but because he has an infection in his blood (likely due to the rotten teeth).

 

I was told that when cats show signs of kidney failure, the kidneys have already lost 75% of their function.  I confirmed with the vet that this was the same with my cat's case.  I was told that the Epakitin does not give any side effects and my cat didn't show any while taking it.

 

I have tried the Hill's K/D canned and my cat does not like it.  It is also a rip off and does not have the best ingrediants anyway.

 

I have been strapped financially for quite some time now, so regular urine and blood testing is not possible at this point. I will try my best to get his kidney levels tested every few months or so though.  He has had an x-ray at the initial visit and it shows that one of his kidneys is quite enlarged.

 

On his second blood panel, the vet told me that my cat has shown significant improvement and that improvement is usually slow, but not in my case. His urea was 31.5, now it is 15.7 and normal range is 12.  His creatinine went from 440 to 256. I take some comfort in knowing that.

 

I thank everyone for the recommendations - I'll look into it and ask vet's opinion.

 

 

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Is this common?? Clavamox is really that harmful to cats?? I'm mad that the vet even prescribed this in the first place... It's been about 1.5 months of straight diarrhea now and the Metronidazole that was prescribed has done nothing... he just finished his last dose this morning. There has been no improvement. I really hope this isn't permanent all because of a drug that didn't even help him to begin with frown.gif

Bugsy's case is not common, I don't think.... However, yes - Clavamox can be very harmful for a lot of cats. It is unfortunately, the first prescribed antibiotic for UTI, usually.... Then if it doesn't work vet move on to other ones. There has been kitties who have died to a reaction to it.
Now.... the majority of cats do just fine on it - with diarrhea and vomiting during treatment as side effects..... But others can not tolerate, and some, like my Bugsy, have awful, potentially life-long lasting effects from it. Because of that, I do not risk it with any of my cats - I do don't want to ever have even the slightest risk of going through that again.
post #29 of 53
Just sending along hugs.gif and vibes.gif your way. The vet's usually do start with Clavamox for UTI's. I have used Clavamox over the years for my cat's and have never had a problem, vomiting or diarrhea with that antibiotic. But some cat's certainly do. I will usually start them on a Probiotic before, during and after the antibiotics. Try not to worry so, I know it is hard with all that is going on. Good luck with everything biggrin.gif!!!! vibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gifvibes.gif
post #30 of 53
@luvmykittens, sorry must have missed some info.

I wasn't suggesting that you feed k/d, just giving an option. From your original post it didn't sound like your vet gave you a lot of info but apparently, I missed that post.

Glad to hear your cat's numbers are improving.
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