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one aggressive kitten and another kitten with litter box problems and diarrhea

post #1 of 7
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I know, it sounds terrible but let me tell you about my kittens for a bit, Hermes and Hera.

I got them 3 weeks ago from a local no kill shelter, together-as everyone at the shelter told that it is much better to get two kittens then one. It is the first time I am taking care of two kittens at once. They are not from the same litter, but their ages are approximately the same: right now Hera is 13, Hermes is 12 weeks old. They are both neutered.Either I or my roommate or my partner are around for the most part of the day-except for 3-4 hours.

Now let me introduce you the problems: Hera is really very aggressive towards Hermes, it is often the case that she bites his ears or his bottom to the point that he screams. I can't be sure if it is only play fighting or if there is something more beneath this- but since they came home at the same time and their age is the same, shouldn't they get along well? I am definitely trying to discourage her behavior, but it is not that easy since it is not only directed towards humans. I also bought her a teething toy, which didn't seem to distract her a lot.

Hermes, on the other hand, has diarrhea for a while (or at least his excrement is quite loose). He doesn't act like he is sick, he is quite playful, and has a more athletic body than Hera in usual, so he explores the whole plays, jump where Hera can't. Also, last week they both had parasites tests done, and they were negative. However, last week he sprayed first on my bed, then on my roommate's bed. I cleaned the areas, and took him to the vet, though vet didn't seem worried, and she said these are normal for young kittens, just that she would recommend us to keep our bedrooms' doors closed for a while-so that he wouldn't think it's ok for him to use our beds as litterboxes. This morning, however, I found kitten poops in my living room, one on top of the kitten bed(it is an enclosed one because they like sleeping in dark) and one in a box of books they usually like to play in. I am assuming it is Hermes (sorry for the detail but it was quite loose).

So I'm worried why these are happening, do they not like each other or should I separate them? I didn't change their food, and I changed from crystal litter to culpable few days ago-but they had been using it since I changed it. Also, the litter-box was clean, I scooped it yesterday

Thanks a lot!
post #2 of 7
Okay, so I don't know if this is the best thing for you to do but it's something I would try. For the diarrhea I can't really help you because I am not a vet and don't know what's causing it but maybe it could be the food, if you give him a different food then the shelter did (some cats take a while to get used to new foods and will have diarrhea if it's changed without a slow process).

As for the behavior issues. There isn't any chance you have two cages for them is there?

My thought is when they are fighting put them both in separate cages right next to each other, until they both calm down. Then when they are calm let them out again. Once Hera attacks Hermes again to the point that he cries out, put them both back in the cages next to each other. Do this over and over again to see if at some point Hera realizes that biting/scratching Hermes is just going to get her put in time out, and hopefully she'll slowly get more used to Hermes this way as well. I know it's not exactly fair for Hermes to be put in a cage as well - but being right next to each other but not being able to attack each other might get them used to each others smells more than letting them have free run of the house...

Now for Hermes when he sprays or does his business outside of the litter box slowly re train him if you have to. If need be lock him in the bathroom with food, water, and litter box when you are not home. It's only 3 or 4 hours of the day right? That's not too long. And if your home when he does it make sure you scold him and bring him to the litter box as soon as possible...

Just an idea... don't know if it will work... I was blessed with having a kitten who has never gone outside of the litter box. But she also doesn't have a play mate...
post #3 of 7
There very young yet. Kittens ,,,Play and they play rough! Sounds like normal kitten play to me..I would not lock them in cages for punishment as cats don't learn that way.. Try redirecting the rough play with toys ....If you feel one is really hurting the other one them certainly pick one up and stop the rough play..
As to the peeing, pooping outside the litter box. Thats a whole other issue.
Changing the type of litter may have something to do with that. I would use what you have been using..Find the cause of the loose stools.
Good idea to keep him away from your bed room for a while if thats where he sprayed! At night I would keep them enclosed in 1 room with their litter box..Usually kittens take to the litter boxes really well and never have accidents. But as your boy is having bowel issues that maybe the reason. he can't get to the box in time keep ,,more then one box around. Rule of thumb 1 box for each cat plus one extra.
post #4 of 7
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Originally Posted by gardenandcats View Post
I would not lock them in cages for punishment as cats don't learn that way..
I didn't mean for it to be for punishment. I meant for it to give them both a chance to calm down. Part of the reason why they are likely having issues is because they don't know each other very well and probably aren't used to the others smell and such... That's more of what I was suggesting... not punishment...
post #5 of 7
Sorry I don't have much advice on the fighting since I only have one kitten... I'm sure someone will come along and give you some advice on that. However, I would definitely take him back to vet if he is still having loose stools. I know parasites don't always show up on fecals and there are other things like coccidia and giardia that kittens can get from shelters. But maybe your vet already tested for these too?
post #6 of 7
I have had cats all my life and currently have 7 at home...so realize that I am not a vet and my advice is just from having had cats forever and a day.

The Diarrhea: I would ask the vet to treat both cats with Albon. It is possible that Hermes has coccidia (very common in shelter cats) and if they share a litter box, you really may as well treat them both. Coccidia is very hard to find in a stool sample because it only sheds about one in every 10 times the cat goes poo.

The Spraying: Did you see him do it? Typically a cat does not "spray" on a surface beneath him. He tends to spray vertical surfaces - like the wall. If you found a wet spot, then it is likely he urinated rather than sprayed and then a urine sample would need to be tested by your vet - looking for UTI and crystals.

If you treat with Albon and no urinary issues are found, but "going outside the box" problem persists, you probably need to isolate the cat that is having bathroom issues to one room with the litterbox and food. Once he is using it regularly, give him more freedom. At such a young age and coming from a shelter situation (so likely a stray and maybe even raised outside), he may just not have been properly litter trained. Lots to check out and try there. My rule is that if one of my cats has issues outside the box, FIRST we go to the vet to rule out urinary issues/parasites. THEN, we isolate for a week or more and try again. I have never had a cat that didn't eventually learn to go to the litterbox consistently.

FIGHTING: Ahh...kittens. What you are describing is totally normal and they are probably playing. In play, usually one cat will finally get the better of the other and the other will yeowl to let the winner know it is time to stop. I have 4 cats inside plus 2 outside and they ALL do this from time to time. When your cats are not playing, do they lay together or fall asleep near each other? Do they ever lick one another? Both of those things are signs of affection for kitties. If they are doing that the majority of the time, then I wouldn't worry.

When the shelter told you that kittens were better in pairs, they weren't kidding. And honestly, the play that you are seeing is the reason kittens are better in pairs. No one can play with a kitten like...a kitten.
post #7 of 7
I think like Blue Rex Bear. Nobody can play with kitten like a kitten
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