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Early generation Chausies/Jungle cat Hybrids ( Afican Jungle cat x Domestic)

post #1 of 10
9/21/11 at 4:05pm
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Hi all ,

As some of you know I have worked with Bobcats, Canadian Lynx, African Jungle cats and very high percentage (87.5% to 75%) Jungle cat hybrids. Plus I own an F3 Savannah named Loki. Well all the pure exotic cats I worked with where all in a sanctuary/shelter cats. So they where not in my home obviously but my F3 Savannah seems like way more work. Plus Loki is only 12.5% Serval. Try telling him that . Other then him being 100% litter box trained he is well NOTHING like a normal cat, IMHO.

So I know he needs a friend to run off his very excessive energy. Plus it will save whatever is left of my home .

Anyway someone I know who has a 75% F1 Chausie (Jungle cat hybrid) got mated by a pure domestic short hair. The resulting kittens will be about 32.5% Jungle cat. But will have some ghost spoting instead of pure ticking found in Jungle cats or "appropriate" hybrids.

So my question is will my new little boy be as hyper as Loki? Since the adult Jungle cats and high percentage hybrids seemed much calmer then Loki. I swear Loki is living proof of hybrid vigor .

Thank you all for looking and helping me.
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post #2 of 10
9/23/11 at 1:35pm
I am sure one with one to one experience will come along ... but from what I have read Servals are the higher energy cats vs most of the wild cats used in hybrids .. So I would say likely a bit calmer and less active outside of kittenness
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post #3 of 10
9/24/11 at 1:48pm
"Outside of kittenness", huh? You say that like it's inconsequential or something! Last time I had a kitten in the house (my roomie's cat Skimble), I swear I wasn't sure if the place was going to stay standing before the little punk grew up and settled down. And he was just a normal little red tabby, too! I wish I'd taken video of him at that age. His name's Skimble and he's still a crazy thing even now.

What's it like to own a wildcat hybrid, anyhow? I've gotten to know a dog/wolf hybrid, and he was a pretty good dog, all things considered, though we had to be quite careful to make sure he got exposed to lots of human noise and unfamiliarity so he wouldn't get anxious. Do wildcat hybrids have that "I'm a wild animal and human stuff makes me nervous" issue too?
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post #4 of 10
9/25/11 at 9:32am
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"Outside of kittenness", huh? You say that like it's inconsequential or something! Last time I had a kitten in the house (my roomie's cat Skimble), I swear I wasn't sure if the place was going to stay standing before the little punk grew up and settled down. And he was just a normal little red tabby, too! I wish I'd taken video of him at that age. His name's Skimble and he's still a crazy thing even now.
Well that is nothing compared to Loki . What you describe above is how Loki is as a year and three months old.

What Sharky means I assume, is that Jungle cat hybrids are calmer then Savannahs because the Jungle cat is calmer then the Serval.

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What's it like to own a wildcat hybrid, anyhow? I've gotten to know a dog/wolf hybrid, and he was a pretty good dog, all things considered, though we had to be quite careful to make sure he got exposed to lots of human noise and unfamiliarity so he wouldn't get anxious. Do wildcat hybrids have that "I'm a wild animal and human stuff makes me nervous" issue too?
In my experience a wildcat hybrid in your home is like NO OTHER cat! That can be a good and bad thing. It just depends on how you look at it and the day in question .

I would say a WELL SOCIALIZED wildcat hybrid could use some fear . Loki has FEAR of NOTHING (person or object)!

But to have a cat like Loki it requires the socialization that you described above. So I would say pick your breeder wisely. Since I would not want to imagine a cat like Loki that is scared and as strong yet hyperactive.

Wildcat hybrids are prone to pica (eating nonfood items). So you always need to be aware of what is in your cats environment. Loki has eaten paper, plastic, string, shoe laces and much more. So you always need to watch there bowel movements/patterns.

Lastly you need to be prepared for a very high energy indoor cat. But that bonds with you and loves you like a dog.

If you have any questions I would love to answer them and add more information. I am just not sure what anyone finds interesting .
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post #5 of 10
9/25/11 at 11:03am
I just love cats of all sorts, wildcats included. I have two cats in an apartment and can't have any more, but... wow, I'd love to get to know the wilder end of the feline spectrum.
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post #6 of 10
9/25/11 at 12:00pm
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I just love cats of all sorts, wildcats included. I have two cats in an apartment and can't have any more, but... wow, I'd love to get to know the wilder end of the feline spectrum.
Could you be a little more specific? I just could go on and on, but I am sure that is not what you want.

So I am asking what are you most interested in regarding hybrid cats? Like the differences between pure domestic cats and hybrids? Or what it is like to live with a hybrid?

I am so lost as usual.
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post #7 of 10
9/25/11 at 1:38pm
Hmm... well, I guess I don't know enough to figure out what to ask. Maybe you could post some good web sites.

I know that feral cats pass down their feralness to their kittens; and I know that the more generations of ferals there are, the less domesticated the kittens can be. But I only know ferals. How much of a distance is there between that and wild? How exactly did the cats manage to get themselves into human society to begin with? Could you domesticate small wildcats just by breeding for friendliness, like they did with the foxes in Russia?
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post #8 of 10
9/25/11 at 7:08pm
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Hmm... well, I guess I don't know enough to figure out what to ask. Maybe you could post some good web sites.
http://www.catchannel.com/breeds/pro...cat-breed.aspx
http://www.exoticcatz.com/specieshybrids.html
http://www.exoticcatz.com/spsavannahprofile.html
http://marechalcattery.com/breed_and...comparison.htm
http://www.bellehollow.net/thingstoknow.html
http://www.bellehollow.net/imprints.html

I have more articles. If you want more just let me know . But lets start with this, unless you want to die of bordom .

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I know that feral cats pass down their feralness to their kittens; and I know that the more generations of ferals there are, the less domesticated the kittens can be. But I only know ferals.
I never knew that was true. I thought that was "urban legend". Do you have any sources about that? If so, I would love to see them .

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How much of a distance is there between that and wild? How exactly did the cats manage to get themselves into human society to begin with?
I wish I knew how cats managed to get themselves into human civilizations.

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Could you domesticate small wildcats just by breeding for friendliness, like they did with the foxes in Russia?
I would assume so. I do not personally think the "domestic cat" is all that domesticated. But that is just my .
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post #9 of 10
10/1/11 at 4:47pm
From what I read, F1's are 50% Jungle cat, not 75%? A jungle cat hybrid female to a domestic = kittens that are 75% domestic and 25% JC

Was also reading a typical Chausie shouldn't wreck your home. I would expect like other active, intelligent breeds if they are not properly stimulated they will act out from boredom.

Chausies are not a recognised breed over here. The only wild hybrids allowed entry into Australia are Bengals, they must be F5 and beyond.
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post #10 of 10
10/1/11 at 7:01pm
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From what I read, F1's are 50% Jungle cat, not 75%? A jungle cat hybrid female to a domestic = kittens that are 75% domestic and 25% JC

Was also reading a typical Chausie shouldn't wreck your home. I would expect like other active, intelligent breeds if they are not properly stimulated they will act out from boredom.

Chausies are not a recognised breed over here. The only wild hybrids allowed entry into Australia are Bengals, they must be F5 and beyond.
Not to be rude but any F1 can have 87.5%, 75%, 62.5%, or 50% wild blood.

To get a 87.5% F1 kitten, you breed a pure male wildcat to a 75% F1 female hybrid. Here is a an example of an 87.5%: Savannah: http://www.simplysavannah.net/Queens.html.

To make a 75% F1 kitten, you breed a a pure wildcat male to a 50% F1 female hybrid. Then the resulting offspring are 75% F1's. Here is an example of 75% F1 Savannah: http://www.amarasavannahs.com/Amara%20Queens.htm- Look for the cat named Amara's Painite.

To make a 62.5 F1 kitten, you breed a pure wildcat male to and F2 female (25%) hybrid. The resulting babies offspring are 62.5% F1 hybrids. Look on this website: http://www.amarasavannahs.com/Amara%20Queens.htm for a cat named Amara's Seri.

In order to breed a 50% F1 hybrid you just breeding a pure male wildcat to a domestic female. The resulting offspring will be 50% F1 hybrids.

Now to get as high a percentage F2 like I will be acquainting, you breed a 75% wildcat female to a pure domestic male. The resulting offspring will be 37.5% wild.

I am glad to hear a Chausie/Jungle cat hybrid is not as hyper as a Savannah.

Lastly, yes all percentages of wildcat blood is theoretical to a point .
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